I think the 533 Dothan would be more suited to the upcoming 915 boards, since i doubt the 855 boards will be able to push them as far as they may be able to go. At least with the 915 chipset we know that it will be able to handle 200+ FSBs?
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I think the 533 Dothan would be more suited to the upcoming 915 boards, since i doubt the 855 boards will be able to push them as far as they may be able to go. At least with the 915 chipset we know that it will be able to handle 200+ FSBs?
The important question is, how will the 400fsb chips OC on the 915 boards????
C
Its not me, its my friend ian.ho :)
3.7v vdimm was pumped into the BH5, 278 1:1 2,2,2,5 benchable. 290 for screenie.
Has anyone seen this?
http://209.35.180.29/misc/now.jpg
Dual core Dothans available now? :confused:
From the Anandtech article.
there not out yet :( the additions on their about the 533mhz FSB Dothans which are out to some. The other ones the x20 etc are the dual coresQuote:
Originally Posted by uclajd
jjcom
OK, so then Anand shouldn't have had the single cores under the "dual core" heading.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
But I'd sure like to get one of these dual core P-Ms under the old Vapo when they do launch. :slobber:
eek, the lineup indicates a move to LGA775, or am i misreading?
it isnt 2006 yet
i really want a dothan, they cost about the same as a 3400 a64
but the motherboards are so expensive, for crap
anyone know if a good cheap mobo like a lanpartyUT will be released
argh :(
I just brake my PM755 :(
I installed my cascade's evap on the cpu, and it didn't boot at all, I unscrewed the evap, looked at the cpu...and the die is cracked :(
I don't think Intel's warranty is very comprehsensive with that kind of problem :(
WWWWW how's the system going mate? ;)
If it weren't for the price of the motherboards, I would all over these Dothans.
I bet they would take it as a warranty no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrou
:slobber:
how could I make them think that's a normal issue ??
if they take my dothan as a warranty, I'll be more that pleased :)
Heya guys!
I'm going to build myself a Pentium M-based system, and I have a couple of questions:
The mainboard will probably be an AOpen (or Soltek), and a 1.7 GHZ 735.
As I've understood it, the locks don't work in 33/66 mode? Which functions are affected on the mainboard by this, other than the sound card?
How much do you think it's realistic to overclock the FSB in 17x if I increase Vcore to 1.6 (from the default 1.34)?
As it's 2 mm lower than a regular S478 CPU, will -only- the clip-HSFs work on it, such as the Zalman? What's the chance of accidently cracking the die when using such a HSF?
The one I'm thinking of is a Thermalright XP-120, but would it make contact with the die, as it uses the regular mounting mechanisms and not the mainboard holes?
Thanks in advance.
just got it today - i didnt get a stock cooler with it - whats up there - so just went straight and installed my liquid cooling (swiftects chipset waterblock). put a 133FSB at 15* and raised it 1* at a time - got up to stock muilti - 18*133=2.4GHz - super Pi 34seconds (with kingston value - hyperX still on its way) - raised it to 136*18 and it failed superpi - thought ram - loosening timings didnt help - so it was prob cpu - fiddled with different multies - figured i cant seem to get around 150FSB (16* multi) - ive raised the AGP/PCI as well a lil - got an nVidia in here...mmm - btw my max voltage thru bios is my stock voltage - i really hate thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Maniak
http://forums.devhardware.com/showth...744#post355744
i dumped a lil log there
i booted at 141*17 and all the graphics are funny - wierd - ...mmm...maybe it dont like my higher agp - ...
wait
i know
i cleared the cmos
that means its back to using the IGP...
nup - with agp it still didnt want 150*16 - maybe that was ram - but that ram does 2-3-3-6 at 200MHz...which is what was set...mmm...
time to mad onion it
installed the quadro drivers cause only copy i had was WTF - 500+fps in car chase - ive never seen fps' that high in car chase!!! - where was i - anyways - installed quadros cause all i had was a v70 beta - it knows my card is a 6800GT anyway so i should be able to publish
24k on my first go
upped the vid clocks a little - benching...
ummmmmm 25932 - that just toppped my record by like almost 2k - i have to upload this - but 56k....no modem on my desktop - ill try to share it with a corssover cable
wow it actually worked
25932
well if u can get a heatspreader on that ought to solve all ur probs - never tried it but i dont see why super glue, a shim and an old celery p4 heatspreader wont work (other than the fact that ur chip'll say celery on it)Quote:
Originally Posted by mikael_j
well - to stop from crushing the core - get some neoprene pads to put around the core - they always help - i didnt and im using the same block that killed my 9800se - ima hope for the best - a shim would be better, but neoprene pads are soooo cheap
why not just cut up an old credit card or any such plastic card and make a hole to fit the core in it. there's no resistors topside, so you shouldn't have a problem there...
not so attractive though...then again i was the one who suggested the celeron heatspreader - go with skys ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by sky
I've got some IHS from dead P4A and Celerons, I'll use them on my next P-M :D
i got one off a 2.6C - thats an M0 - did 3.5 with stocky - did 3.7 with a prescott stock cooler at 1.8V (pin mod) - then it died...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrou
remember, please no discussion of fraudulent rma in the public forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrou
however, if you tell them the truth i think you have a legitimate claim
when rmaing anything it is important to use your discretion ;)
I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean: do I want to pad the CPU such that everything is on the same level? Isn't neoprene a fairly elastic material, such that it wouldn't really help me in supporting the cooler block? Also, isn't it flamable?Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
Furthermore, where would I get hold of neoprene (or whatever I'll end up using)? Which would be the easiest/safest method/material?
so everything is on the same level - its not soo elastic - its just enough to get pushed down if taller than the chip - its not meant to support the cooler - its meant to prevent to cooler for tilting. Flamable? - i wouldnt know - but there are no circuits on the top side of the pcb - i just use neoprene cause it came with my waterblockQuote:
Originally Posted by mikael_j
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bah - cant get my CPU a single MHz above 2.4GHz - 1Mhz up and it errors in everything - i need more voltage - its at stock but prob is stock is max voltage
psu? alpha timings?
psu is a lil 300W antec mATX (from antec aria)Quote:
Originally Posted by reject
cooling is swiftech mcw50 and h20-220 radiator
whats alpha timings?
w00t - down to 33 seconds in superpi
thats my kingston value ram winbond ch5s in there
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=23796&stc=1
stupid kingston value wont do 2-2-2-5; damn ch5s - couldnt they drop some bh5s in there?
Ah, so this is like with the early Athlons without the pads on the CPU to support the cooler, where it was easy to accidently crush the core die if you didn't install the heatsink properly? In that case, would that basically be what I should aim for? Would be good that was the case, as that's pretty easy to setup. Thanks for pointers!Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
You guys with the AOpen: Is this a problem when mounting regular Socket 478 heatsinks? (the XP-120 comes to mind....)
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Also... does anyone know of an ETA of the new DFI Pro board? The 'net (or well, google) is very sparse on details. I definitely am going to get myself a mainboard, but as I want all functions fully working, I'd like to have working AGP/PCI locks. Or, maybe the new Soltek P-M board will have working locks -- anyone with insider (or any at all) info?
theres a soltek pM board? - never heard of it - <decides to conduct some research>Quote:
Originally Posted by mikael_j
PCI locks work on the DFI right - cause my TV tuner does not like oced PCI bus - my vid card doesnt mind though - go nVidia
cant seem to boot at above FSB147...
in windows i can change it as high as FSB176 so far
http://www.us.ncix.com/products/inde...facture=SOLTEKQuote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
(SL-855GEI-FDGR at www.us.ncix.com)
Okay, but even if your TV tuner works, I bet the audio isn't working, right? I've heard that it'll only work on an 100 MHz FSB, i.e., non-overclocked.
Anyhow, my question above on the padding -- is it Athlon-style?
That Soltek board is pretty cheap. Of course, they don't have it in stock.
I've been trying to find the new aopen board but havent seen it available anywhere in north america yet.
If you mean the new board based on the 915 with PCI-E, then it's not scheduled to be out until March.
i can get audio to work up to 133MHz - padding? - there is no padding - u need to provide ur own - i dunno about either stock cooler - maybe it comes with that but DFI didnt gimme oneQuote:
Originally Posted by mikael_j
w00t - got a 300fsb dothan!!!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=23929&stc=1
and kingston value ch5s at 2-2-2-5 400MHz!!!
ok its a cpuz error...but dang it looks good...
alpha timings of ram
read preamble and async latency can cripple overclocks if set too tight
i soo want a dothan :( 400 for a cpu is ok but i heard that the aopen board is 300+ us$!!!!!11
I was at the DFI Disty today and they are dumbfounded that there is no HSF. They said they would need a week or two so that DFI in Taiwan can HOPEFULLY add a HSF to their next shipment.
Looks like watercooling is doing a good job though ;)
funny, I dont see anything relating to a dothan anywhere in that cpuz image.
that screeny was of a dothan with a 3:4; didnt have time to switch to the cpu page - u know how sometimes it spikes with errors for like a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by gkiing
as for the hsf, alrighty thanks
wohooo my aopen finally arrived, so now charlies dothan and my board can finally mate... :). first impression so far, the dothan needs plenty of tim. first time i tried it, i put a thin layer of as5 on the chip and put the heatsink & fan combo atop...weird, the heatsink can tilt a bit sideways??? not supposed to be like that, i guess.
anyway, time for a testrun. immediately on entering the bios, the coretemp shot through the ceiling. at first i thought the darn board can't handle the 755, but then i took it all off. removed the hs and checked the underside. well there was some spatter of as5 on the sink, just not every part of the chip left its impression. wtf? i had put a somewhat slightly thicker layer of as5 on there than i usually do with my athlons (well, i figured it was time to add some more). oh and while i was at it, i tried finding the reason for the tilting heatsink. well i didn't completely get rid of it, but it seems the screws of the retention module weren't tightened equally, so i got my screwdriver and went at them, same for the socket-locking screw. well, contact is better now, still some tilting, but that's where the "cooler fixing sticks" (that's written in the manual! lol) come in. once they're on, the heatsink is locked in place - well it was the same before, but this times the temps were a good deal below 30°C (26°C iirc).
anyway... i justed wanted to get the dothan in business, so i had ripped the harddrive and my 6800gt out of my current main rig and hooked them to the aopen (well the hdd remained in my main rig and just got her cable plugged into the aopen :D ). on the hdd were 2x xp prof (game & bench 2k3, 2k5, am3) and 1x 2k (bench 2k1). i didn't expect anything big of an old install without using fitting mobo & cpu-drivers but i was nevertheless able to beat my best super pi 1m score (xpm @3.069ghz @230fsb) at an easy 2.3ghz, lol. on to 2k1... and here something weird happened. some scores were brilliantly fast (never saw +500 fps in car low before, same with +400 in lobby low) others were just slow. drago low for instance seemed about 100 fps lower at times, nature lacked more like 60-80fps depending on the scene. oh well... guess next time i run, i install drivers, but for that quick test i didn't want to ruin my old bench-setup (btw, you may laugh at me now :D )
there's two things i noted about this dothan platform:
a) it's unbelievably quiet (except for that 6800gt fan, that probably has to be replaced with some big copper cpu heatsink)
b) my powersupply went chirping once i started the rig. have to try it on the ocz - it is NOT the board (as i've read in some tests before, it is the psu!).
ps: my regular xpm 2k1 runs now show the same performance drop as with the dothan - guess i farked up the install ,)
my system whit default fan:
http://home.arcor.de/16vbogi/2688mhz%2029sec.jpg
http://home.arcor.de/16vbogi/2788mhz%2029sec.jpg
http://home.arcor.de/16vbogi/2689mhz...ec%20klein.jpg
Liquid Cooling coming next month
results follow
here my notebook
http://home.arcor.de/16vbogi/37sec%20laptop%202.jpg
now 2200@1,276v prime stable
update. argh, i hate my aopen. guess my usual luck with mainboards hit me again. 140 fsb is max without mods. and that's already using 44/88 divider... wahaha. real stable is somewhere in the proximity of 135-138, 3:4 - anything else needs more vdimm than the stock board offers. oh my oh my... everything was looking so damn cool. 2505 mhz at stock voltage, 2666 at 133x20,0 with slightly raised vcore (did the socketmod to 1.596v)... and than fsb-crappola... <weeps>
guess i'll have to do the vdimm mod and have to go looking for the vagp/vchipset mod. this biatch is holding me back seriously! anyone that knows that vagp-mod for the aopen, feel free to post!
whats the highest fsbs u pplz can pull off on either board?
mines at 177MHz atm (running uncooled on a 6x multi 0.84V)
its doing under 50C load - most cpus wont even run w/o a hsf - dang its good
48C atm @ 177*6
it froze...
Why your Dothan are much more lucky then Mine?
P-M 755 @ 2450 Vc def sigh... CRYYYYYYYY
my dothan sucky - only does 2.4GHz with water stock vcore
and my hyperX is bs
i think the seller replaced the heatspreaders and sshoved them on value ram
they sticker says ak2 which is winbond ch5s but they wont even do 2-3-2-6 at 200Mhz and have SPDs of 2.5-3-3-8 at 200MHz, 2-3-3-7 @ 166MHz...this is bs - anyways found some mushkin lvl 2s pc3500 on ebay
now i need to figure out how to up to up the vcore and vdimm
this might not be related given that this is a "dothan" overclocking thread, but i pulled the banias 1.5 out of my laptop and shoved it on my desktop and it pulled off 2GHz - whoa - thats like - crap...
Just picked up a 1.5ghz Banias chip off Ebay for £10, do you think I will be able to get it over 2.0ghz in the Aopen mobo? At 133mhz FSB I should be hitting 2.0ghz, but will the clocks be locked still and will audio and sata still work or do you think it will be unstable? Got some Twinmos ram that will happily run at 240mhz 2.5 6--3-3 at 2.6v. I also have another 1.3ghz Banias chip as well but I selling that to a friend this week for £35!Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
Still in 2 minds about getting the Aopen board due to its high cost.
Rob H
You have to remember that the Banias is on old .13 tech - the Banias is actually doing well to make it to 2ghz. Think about pushing a Tualatin PIII to 2ghz - chances are, you won't make it.
vcore is easy, just do the socket-mod with a tiny copper bracket. works on both mobos...Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
anyway, my aopen is going back tomorrow. all i get now is a long beeep, a second or two silence, another long beep, etc... fans and all spinning, no signal on my crt using either onboard gfx or agp-card. replaced the ram sticks (2x256 mushkin pc3500l2 bh5 with 2x512 khx3200 bh5) no go. used single sticks - also nothing. put those sticks in another rig (the one i'm using right now)... no problem. i don't know what's up. i just hope the cpu is still alive, after all everything was working the night before, until i shut the sys down. now it's only that one single beep (imo ram / ramsocket). cmos clear, pressing "home" on boot and even removing the battery did nothing.
I received yesterday my new dothan from intel's sav, thanks a lot intel ! :)
It overclocks better than the first one :
http://img194.exs.cx/img194/4206/cpu31505zv.png
DFI855GME-MGF, BH5, P-M755 w/ IHS, Vmods vddr/vdgp, Phase Change (-30c)
Nice, I need to get a new Dothan. My old clunker was made in June of 2004 and pulled 3.07Ghz
Not bad for a 400FSB cpu.
did you get any improvement in putting it under the cascade ?
I'll probably try today :)
i'm looking forward to that tyrou :)
still on single stage :
190Mhz fsb on my DFI board
http://img134.exs.cx/img134/2623/cpu30414mm.png
a newer shot, still on single stage, chipset with stock heatspreader, no fan, but a vdd mod :) Is that the fsb WR on dothan ?
http://img217.exs.cx/img217/7207/cpu20002kv.png
mmmmmm :D nice
probly WR but dont know about japan
you have a real good board there, so let us see some 16*200 :)
hell yeah and mem at 3:4 :D
and then run superpi 1m, hexus pifast, 3d2k1... :drool
I go on holidays tomorrow, so I won't give news screens for at least a week, but when i'll be back, I put the cascade on it, and let's go 3.3G :D
lets see some benches
do these dothan have hyper threading?
No, but the architecture is way above that of pentium 4's; dothans are far faster for clock.
hrmm yeah, you got some benchmark of your dothan?
any word on those "new chipset" Dothan mobo's??????
I think that the new aOpen motherboard with support for dual channel ddr/ddr2 is due to be on the shelves (online) soon.
tyrou, we wanna drool more =)...post some benchies...wohoo...
The 915 Aopen was expected somewhere in March.. and I think review sites will get samples first so when they do, it'll be a good indication for the Aopen coming out soon :)
with Vcore and Vdimm mod
http://img143.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img143&image=293ox.jpg
I cant wait.. been saving up for a dothan :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kristos
my "old" 1.6 dothan and DFI only just arrived at the postoffice the other day... back from RMA from early december :rolleyes:
not the shops fault though, DFI apparently was in no rush :mad:
Can you share the VDD mod with us :). Which chipset I have to torture :spank: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyrou
Pics would really help :)
Hi there!
What should i expect with a (new) m735 1.7ghz + Aopen 855 ?
ill install a sp-94 on it...
2.4-2.5 without mod ??
If you do the simple wire trick for the CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
You'll easily hit 2.5-2.6. Without it, I dunno cos I never tested it without :banana4:
link ? wire trick ?Quote:
Originally Posted by vegeta
i just got me a dothan system. :D
but i am confused with the BIOS setting for overclocking and ratios.. :(
I have lots of questions... but let me ask this.....
Does Dothan benefit more on memory overclock or does it benefit more on 1:1 ratio overclock(CPU FSB same as memory clock)? 1:1 is still better... right? yes or no thanx.......
you guys know when the new mobos with the alviso is coming out? If i were to get one now, which board would you recommend and why? im leaning towards the aopen because of the heatsink retention frame
been there, done that. i felt exactly the same.. wth is all that stuff? seems totally different from my socket a boards, ...Quote:
Originally Posted by IamAnoobieCheez
anyway, 1:1 would probably be optimum, but you'll have a very hard time getting the fsb up into regions where it would pay off. so far i've seen very few really high fsbs past 175 mhz - tyrou (if that is spelled right) has the highest i've seen so far, somewhere around 200.
generally, the higher memory bandwidth you get by using a divider 3:4 or 3:5 (fsb:ram) should do the proc good, because the dothan is basically - as charlie put it a couple of times - starving for bandwidth.
if i were you, i'd try to see what the max overall speed your dothan can run at is, then check where the highest bootable fsb is about and then try maxing the clockspeed with that fsb and the available multipliers. doing that you'll see where your ram is headed with the dividers. if your ram can't handle very high speeds, 3:4 should be ok, if possible try 3:5. but notice that you need to have a vdimm mod to get anything beyond 2.5v out of these boards...
if you need further pointers... like what exactly is all that fsb/ddr/gfx/xxx divider mumbojumbo in the bios, ask. it took me a moment to realize what aopen was trying to tell me with their bios-settings, as there was no such option as 3:4 or 1:1... they had stuff like 400/266/100/250 (WTF???)
translating to (3:4:x:x) fsb (quadpumped) / ram (ddr *2) / onboard gfx low / onboard gfx high. pretty whacky. i'd have preferred a 3:4:x:x setting. (who cares about the onboard gfx anyway :D )
...
cirthix,
i had the aopen... for about one week, then it died. hmmmm. only thing i think i can safely say is that the dividers did work and pci seemed locked. couldn't really do much in-depth testing. i guess i'm waiting for the alviso boards now.. shouldn't be much longer til the regular desktop boards hit the market.
/edit: spelling, missing letters, some dots, some ... well the usual stuff...
let's say, whatever is still missing or wrong, is left intentionally as it is, to provide later generations with proof of my inability to write, talk and phone at the same time (at work)
thanks for the insight. :) That helped me a lot. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by sky
Wish my system allowed me for higher multi. :( multi of 21x would be cool. :D My CPU seems to have no problems at 2.4+. I haven't tried 2.5 yet.
LOLQuote:
if you need further pointers... like what exactly is all that fsb/ddr/gfx/xxx divider mumbojumbo in the bios, ask. it took me a moment to realize what aopen was trying to tell me with their bios-settings, as there was no such option as 3:4 or 1:1... they had stuff like 400/266/100/250 (WTF???)
I was gonna complain the same thing! :D It is indeed.... very whacky...Quote:
translating to (3:4:x:x) fsb (quadpumped) / ram (ddr *2) / onboard gfx low / onboard gfx high. pretty whacky. i'dhave preferred a 3:4:x:x setting. (who cares about the onboard gfx anyway :D )
So far, I'm still happy with the board. Perfomance is very good.
Thanks for the help, sky. :)
...
air cooling
150*18 3:5 250 2-2-2-5
DFI FULL MOD
i'd like to run a 1700 at 17(or 16)*166, 1.7v. 166 should reset the agp and pci speeds to 66/33, shouldn't it? is this possible on the majority of boards? will it be possible with alviso?
i cant wait till the sonoma boards come out. I want to pick one of these up so bad! These chips may actually make peltiers worthwhile again!
the funny thing is, with a peltier on it, total power consumption would be about as much as a prescott LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by vapb400
Anyone Try RMClock Ultility to see if it works on Dothans... if so then you should be able to change the multiplier in real time with it.
http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml
can somebody test that program to see if it can raise the multiplier ABOVE intel's set one. i tried ot on my mobile athlon and nforce2 mobo and it crashed pretty hard, but its a limitiation as i've heard via chipset owners can use speedstep on their desktop cpus
From the earlier posts someone recommended 100K ohm for VDIMM mod? What voltage increase do you get at 100K? Is that for Aopen?... and most importantly, does anyone know where are the points to connect the resister? I need locations... to solder wires know what I mean? :D I really need the vdimm mod...
anyways... most of you don't seem to talk about Vdimm mod. Are most of you using DDR Booster? I don't have it, and don't want to use it because I have two sticks 256mb winbond BH-5's..
iirc, earlier in the thread we discovered that the ddr booster was a big no-no with both boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamAnoobieCheez
Well, I've finally put the Dothan 1.8G under my Cascade. With -103C on the CPU, I hit a nice 3318Mhz:
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/dothan/3.3doth.JPG
24 secs Super pi at 3.24G, too bad I can't max out my ram as it can bench 280Mhz cas 2, 2, 2, 5, FSB is bottled at 192wall
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/dothan/24secpi.JPG
37.59@ Pifast, fastest Intel on Hexus pifast ATM:
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/Shamino/dothan/pif1.JPG
I just wish my fsb aint capped at 190+, or at least I have some divider in between 3:4 and 3:5...
Or if I have 19X multiplier, that would rock!
nice!!!
pci lock work on the Aopen 855 ?
hey.. make it simple. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by IamAnoobieCheez
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...967#post597967
thanx for the info...Quote:
Originally Posted by cirthix
really?? just a simple wire connection between two points?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rio71
how much voltage increase will it gimme?
LardArse, that is incredible... freaky 24sec superpi omg.. :D
lardarse, impressive!!! which mobo were you using?
Thx, Im on the Aopen 855 as stated in the cpuz valid.
The pci/agp lock doesnt work, but it seems according to the clockgen i use, my agp and pci is underclocked when i set to 75/37 or 88/44. At 166fsb my agp is stated as 59 and pci 29 and as i clock her up to 190, its around 63/32
LardArse, i have some questions.. I am getting weird result on the AGP and PCI clock on my Aopen 855. My FSB is at 123 and according to the bios it is set to 66mhz AGP and 33mhz PCI but in clockgen in windows tells me I'm at 41mhz AGP & 20.5mhz PCI. Are you having same issue as well? Wouldn't it cause problems at such low AGP/PCI bus speeds?.. or is the clockgen reading it wrong? What's your thoughts on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
Are these boards have difficulty running high FSBs due to AGP/PCI clock?
Any tips on how to get higher FSB?
I think clockgen is a bit off but I dont think the agp/pci is locked.... but there are a few dividers that kick in.
If you can lower your multiplier, it would be nice to skip a few steps and jump straight to 167FSB... where I believe the next divider kicks in. With 167fsb, 75agp/37pci, you can give it a try.
on second thoughts of buying a dothan system, i'm gonna wait till summer, alviso shoudl be out and tested by then, and maybe (hoping) intel releases a 1.7ghz celeron m or low voltage 1.7ghz p-m, the 17x multi is all i need. plus, x800xls will be much cheaper/available then, so waiting seems like a good option
Interesting point... Thanx LardArse... :)