I believe i need classes :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
yeap they are 8x8.
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I believe i need classes :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
yeap they are 8x8.
I don't see such a problem there, take GF114 and you can roughly double it in 28nm at the same diesize. Then you'll have 768 Hotclock Shader, 128TMUs, 64 Rops. But it' s only 32 Rops so you save space and Hotclock-Shader are bigger by an unknown margin then normal ones. Fill this free diespace with shaders instead and you get the speculated Gk104.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
"9800 JTX (Jesus X-Treme)," anyone?
phk Say next month!!!
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49260-1-1.html
Not necessarily. If the 950Mhz for GK104 is true then it has 3*950/1544=80% more flops than the 580. Unless you consider 80% minimal of course :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
That's assuming 100% scaling, but shoot if we see even a 50% increase that would spank the 7970 (I believe it's on average only 20% faster than the 580).Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
I was just referring to the raw flop comparison after dropping hot clocks. Doesn't tell us anything about actual performance vs the 580 or 7970 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
If thats true I might be able to pick one (or two, or three) up for my build in time for the lan I plan on going to in the spring :o
Hopefully some waterblocks come out soon after they are released.
That's true, but while total FLOPS doesn't tell us too much, pixel fillrate tends to be an accurate benchmark. if Kepler architecture is truly more efficient than Fermi, and Fermi did scale quite linearly (almost a 2x increase in pixel fillrate 280 -> 580) then I would imagine we would see fairly linear gains here as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by trinibwoy
Edit: I should mention this is assuming the texel rate is sufficient to not hold back the card. But as far as I can tell, TMUs shouldn't be an issue here
Edit2: I think I'm just starting to confuse myself lol. All these rumors are driving me nuts
Yeah, grabbing 2 assuming they are good, right away upon release :D. Would love a March launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by nksharp
Yeah, rumours from Chinese forums are reliable. March launch is DOUBLE CONFIRMED!
Bandwidth...Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Hi ALL
Lock At Image: Kepler
http://wccftech.com/wp-content/uploa...vs-635x334.png
http://wccftech.com/wp-content/uploa...if-635x386.png
GK100 63% Faster 3DMark11 > Hd 7970
GTX 680 8% Faster 3DMark > HD 7970
Charts are similar though not from the same guy.. first one fits latest rumors but it doesnt give any credibility to benchmark chart.. that said id take the charts with a healthy dose of salt..
Original link :Quote:
Originally Posted by BHD
http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1831876-1-1.html
Looking at the fact this is the first post of this guy in PCinlife.. yes i take a good dose of salt too. some numbers against the 580 look really a bit too high.. 30-40%-48% faster of a GTX580 in games as BF3, CIV5, Dirt3... huum...Quote:
Originally Posted by kaktus1907
Taking in account we are normally speaking about a card with beta drivers, and the "middle range " chip.. hard to compare but their number are higher of a GTX590 in BF3, Dirt3... etc http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g..._battlefield_3 ... really hard to believe Nvidia had aim the GK104 vs the GTX590
I'm thinking that chart either has a typo or it's fake. Look under the texel rate for GK106, it is more than GK104 despite having half the SP clusters. Either it should have been 37 and not 73 (or something along those lines) or it's fake. If that's a typo, I would say the chart checks out. From what we've heard those numbers do seem realistic
You get Texture FillRate = TMUs X Core Clock , 1150x64=73600 , both GK106 and GK104 have same number 64 TMUs , but GK104 is clocked higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
GPUReview updated their site with the GTX 600 series specs. I find this odd given that we do not have any official word from Nvidia on actual specs, since I didn't know that site followed rumors for official specs.
I saw them once post gtx 4xx specs if I recall correctly, and they turned out to be the official ones at launch. I have no idea if they know but, they aren't typically a rumors site as far as I've ever seen. Very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by xBanzai89
Edit.... the site owner made a comment clarifying they are educated guesses.
not veryQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
gtx 690 Max Power Draw:700 W
Just appeared on PDXLAN site:
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2886/pdxlan.png
Anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by From PDXLAN's site for PDXLAN 19 (Feb 17-20 2012):
A lathe, and they will turn a GTX 680.
That chart is really old now and some of the spec are completely wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
680 preview with upcoming game from Gearbox which shows off Kepler's new Physics hardware with fluid dynamics and other physics stuff.
Knowledge you know, or guess? If knowledge... no release date at that time? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
At best it's a demo where they show no card or FPS and but claim it's a Kepler inside the case. :rolleyes:
What would the number of FPS tell you exactly, when they are benchmarking a part of an unreleased game(Aliens Colonial Marines)? It will be obviously running smoothly.
Sorry I should have added it's just a wild guess, I think it's probably right though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Fun times ahead people. Can't wait to get my hands on two high-end NVIDIA GPUs...(and also can't wait to have some fun with those ATI fanboys;))
The thing that Gearbox is showing off is most likely Borderlands 2. I know they showed it off at PAX and they gave away free Borderlands 2 codes (I got to score one). So if anyone that is going to that you might get lucky :D
Fake, posted by the same guy who got banned from Chiphell for posting fake slides, using different accountQuote:
Originally Posted by BHD
I never understood what do people get from posting fabricated information, this really baffles me
Yeah I'm in the same boat as you mate, they have some weird kicks and pretty much I dont read much into it at all.
It gets them (and their sites) a lot of temporary attention, though in some instances people are just fed faulty info as a way to catch the leakersQuote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
Money ?Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
Because they win 100,000,000 theoretical dollars
Same reason they hack in competitive gaming. Some kind of e-penis enlargement I suppose. Never could get to the psychological bottom of this. :shrug:
page hits for the forum/site which can turn into advertisement revenue maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by jam2k
There's a lot of reason, this is one....Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Ur sure? I wouldnt make big words out of air. You can be the one they will laugh at in the end... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by solofly
Nah, it's fun trolling lamers in stale games like MW3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erklat
I heard at PDX lan they only showed Tegra 3 and Borderlands 2. Bummer.
Indeed they did... never was a really solid push as to them showing Kepler but I certainly was keeping my fingers crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARDB0ARDfoxx
Nvidia in for a tough year, pressure on both high end and low end ? - VRZone
Quote:
The GK100 'Kepler' and its GK110 follow on were supposed to wrest that lead back to Nvidia, just a month or two from now. However, right now it looks a gone case, at least for the next half year. For whatever reasons, the GK104 upper mid-range part, a follow on to the GeForce 560 family, is now the top-end part to launch, and it can't - I mean can't - win over the HD7970 in any meaningful use. That role was reserved for the GK100 and follow ons.
Thermals/power and yield then. nVidia not learning from previous big-die mistakes?
Ouch, there goes competition... :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
:(, indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuroimaho
NVIDIA Kepler Rumored to Debut in Mid-March - EXPreview
Original thread :Quote:
Most of the current rumors suggested that NVIDIA is going to launch its Kepler in April. However, one of our forum friend phk posted an article, "During the week of March 15th, there comes with spot goods, NVIDIA won’t follow AMD in spite of tight schedule."
Though phk doesn’t indicate what products will debut, in compliance with our previous experience, we infer it will be NVIDIA Kepler graphics cards. In addition, what models of Kepler will launch are not reveal as well. That’s to say, Kepler will be one month ahead of the existing rumor launch time.
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49522-1-1.html
No PDXLAN teaser -> April launch at best.
huum i hope he's wrong or at least, nvidia can come with GK100 soon enough.. But yes, the fact we dont hear about GK100 and only get infos ( well rumors ) about GK104, is enough for give this some credit. Now the question is maybe what can do Nvidia with this gk104, we have seen it is easy to increase clock on the 7970, by large amount, and with an excellent scaling. ofc this come with a cost on TDP...Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
If the price is right, GK104 can be a killer chip and do lot's of good for nVidia. People should stop always asuming the worst.
NVIDIA GK107 Details
http://limages.vr-zone.net/body/14953/GK107.jpg.jpegQuote:
While NVIDIA's upcoming GK104 / GeForce GTX 670 Ti may be the talk of the rumour mill, we have some details regarding NVIDIA's entry-level Kepler GPU - GK107, including a PCB diagram
wow... so much yet so little...
"Hi guys since we have not released anything yet we thought we'd give you a CAD drawing of one of low end cards, hopefully this will be worth the wait"
Quote:
A report from Sweclockers claims that
NVIDIA is finally set to release the first
Kepler GPU in March. As expected, first in
line will be GK104 - to be branded as
GeForce GTX 670 Ti.
The GTX 670 Ti branding was first revealed
by VR-Zone Chinese earlier this month and
Sweclockers' sources - Taiwanese AIB
partners - confirm the same. They peg the
release date in March after Cebit 2012. This
suggests a release some time between
March 11th and March 31st. The GeForce
GTX 670 Ti is vaguely indicated to have
performance "better than GeForce GTX 580
and Radeon HD 7950", which implies
average performance somewhere between
HD 7950 and HD 7970.
Rumours suggest GK104 will bring a
radically new architecture , with
specifications including 1536 shaders, 128
TMU, 32 ROP and 2 GB 256-bit memory
GDDR5. Core clock for the top bin, GTX 670
Ti, is expected to be around 950 MHz.
As the nomenclature suggests, GK104 / GTX
670 Ti is more of a successor to the GF114 /
GTX 560 Ti.The flagship GTX 580 sucessor
is at least half a year away , and will not be
released till Q3 or Q4 2012. Till then, AMD
is expected to hold on to the single GPU
crown with Radeon HD 7970 with the GTX
670 Ti and HD 7950 following behind.
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/150...-670-ti-i-mars
http://chinese.vr-zone.com/9882/nvid...0-ti-02092012/
If this is true, its rather dissapointing. I doubt the card will be under 400€, overclock as good as amd cards in percentage (def core of 950mhz :shrug: ) and looks like we dont see competition for 7970 before end of the year.
hummm
they must be facing design/fab issues
ATI.......10 month lead????? That's crazy.
Who remembers nVidias recent comment "We are disappointed with the 7970. We were expecting more"
R-O-F-L
All this is assuming it's not a massive sandbag......
Concerning the VR-Zone article:
No source cited whatsoever. This is just an opinion blog.
Concerning the VR-Zone article:
No source cited whatsoever. This is just an opinion blog.
If true, it is really disappointing. I don't like to wait until the end of the year for a flagship card (> GTX 580 performance). I thought Nvidida was surprised "how slow was AMD 7000 series"...
AMD released a good card, lets wait and see what is released on the green side........the above could be true, then again may not be, we will see soon enough.
taking bets on what the name 670 ti means.
670 ti is the full gk104 chip?
670 is the cut down gk104 chip? gk107 is good enough to be 660?
680 chip will be cut down gk100? 690 chip will be full gk100?
no cut down gk100 geforce because they're all going to tesla and quadro? or no full gk100 geforce?
what else?
crazy town. nvidia is months behind amd/ati again. and we've almost no idea where they're going with this.
Really not surprised with the Nvidia delays. Nvidia usually has a good delay before they release their high-end products. Look to late 2012 for the actual GTX 680 and GTX 690 release.
hummm by then we might be getting previews of gen 2 GNC cards
This, indeed. Considering HardOCP now basically said they have been given an NDA... I'd say we're getting something soon. As far as performance, it's really up to anyone's guess... I am going to put my chips on it being between 7950 and 7970 but at a lower price than the 7950 currently is ($460-500 USD depending on model).Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
They may not be launching the fastest card first but what they are finally launching should shoe right in where there is a larger market, we need better hardware a good click south of $400.
for topcard from nvidia will be not good, because in Q4 could be here next new AMD GPU
^^ which is exactly what I thought, I really hope none of these rumours are true, otherwise this could position them a whole generation behind, and that's not good for us buyers in terms of pricing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
I certainly hope that the card they launch is a decent mid-high end model.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Like Flank3r says, they need to get something decent out, otherwise they'll lose the entire year to AMD by the time they manage to get Kepler out of the door.
If the card they're releasing "soonish" is close to the 7950/70 then it should still keep a bit of competion.
According to PHK, GTX 670Ti is same size and same powerconsumption than GTX 560Ti.
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49627-1-1.html
Nice if true, well Charlie was also speaking of that size earlier, however power consumption of 170W TDP would be even more positive to me but I'm pretty sure iit could probably be a tiny bit higher, 170W sounds too good, well not impossible but very good from Nvidia perspective. Well to me this little card starts sounding more and more impressive if performance is up there with GTX 580 or in-between HD7950 and HD7970.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
I just hope Nvidia is more aggressive on the pricing, I bet they will be launching it at $399 but I'd hope they would go for $349 just to put more pressure on AMD. I think they'd also sell quite a few more cards comparing 350 vs $400.
So the 670 will be a lower power gpu to the 680, not just a clipped 680 like 570 is to 580?? Or will the 680 non-Ti effectively take the place that 570 has in the current range?
:/
The 670 will be based on GK104 which is a smaller and less powerful chip than the GK110. On that, there probably will be the successors to the 570 and 580.
An NDA doesn't mean that the market is getting something soon. It just means press will begin getting information soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
For example, the Fermi NDA was signed ~6 months before the cards were released.
I'm not saying that will be the case this time but NDA reception is a poor indication of actual release dates.
Considering that these upcoming chips are based on Fermi instead of some completely new architecture/design... how long prior to GTX580/570 release did nVidia issue the NDA?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
If all this is true, this is not a question of good, ... If they have only the GK104 ready now, they need to launch something, they will change the number scheme, according to their marketing plan...Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
580 and 570 was really a specific case.. dont forget it was a fixed and " ameliorate " Fermi ... Not really as Nvidia have plan to still work 8months later on Fermi after the release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
SKYMTL is right, and if their future card is planned to be launched in 1-2month anyway. i think the question is not really how many time is the NDA active or not.
( There's different NDA too, press, software developpers, testers etc etc )
^^^ I know there are varieties of NDA's, so to keep things somewhat accurate... it would be best to ensure the equivalent NDA's are used when comparing time between signing and product release.
ALL Fermi-based cards were covered under the same NDA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
Seriously? Both GTX480 and GTX580 were covered by the same NDA? From my experience, such agreements typically cover a single product generation from top to bottom. I've never seen one that covered two generations of products a full year apart.
but.... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
SKYMTL intended gt440/gtx460/470/480
gtx570/580 and 560/540 are the second launch...
LOL
Naturally, it didn't list the cards by name but it was worded broadly enough that they didn't need to send a second NDA for the 500-series. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
that must be because it was horribly broken and surprised nvidia with how behind schedule it got...Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Ummmm....no. Typically, NDAs are signed months beforehand. Nothing odd about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
LOL, Nvidia is not surprised, nor are we!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
NVIDIA GeForce Kepler GK107 (Engineering Sample)
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheXtremeAnalyst
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=1881Quote:
3DMARK 2005 (1024x768)
31734 3DMarks
3DMARK 2006 (1280x720)
23893 3DMarks
SM2.0 Score 9651
HDR/SM3.0 Score 11408
CPU Score 6274
3DMARK 2011
P3818
Graphics Score 3521
Physics Score 6725
Combined Score 3767
GT1 17.27
GT2 16.70
GT3 21.08
GT4 10.41
PT 21.35
CT 17.52
3DMARK VANTAGE
P16079
GPU Score 15435
CPU Score 18739
GPU Test1 47.83
GPU Test2 42.50
CPU Test1 2542.01
CPU Test2 24.39
Feature Test1 37.90
Feature Test2 5.00
Feature Test3 28.70
Feature Test4 68.89
Feature Test5 64.51
Feature Test6 69.61
RESIDENT EVIL 5
Average 111.5fps @ 1920x1080
Funny how GK106 wipes the floor with Cape Verde when all the naysayers claimed it wasn't even going to keep up with Turks. ;) I'm glad you enjoyed the last two months of trolling and general sh*t talk while it lasted. If those benchmarks are any indicator of the higher end cards performance... I have a feeling those fake charts listing the specs were actually really close to the mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
Oh for the love of God just shut your effin mouth for once will ya.
That would make GK107 roughly 3-4 times faster (in 3DMark at least) than its predecessor, the GF108 (on the GT440 for example).
I looked around and found a benchmark of RE5 variable benchmark with the 3960x and a GTX470, albeit only 4xAA. Result was 133fps vs. the 105fps for GK107.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-17.html
Haha, another nvidia troll casping for air in vacuum.
I hope the march relise is true and the price is low enough to drag those AMD cards back from the clouds. Need one soon, but not going to give away 500€ for one.
Okay, there is also a GT530 (GF118) that is not really larger than GF108. A mildly overclocked GT530 reaches P1430 in 3DMark11. Then GK107 would only be twice as fast.
http://hwbot.org/submission/2257110_...530_1431_marks
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3960X CPU @ 3.30GHz and 24fps on Physics stage 3DMark 11, scored 6725 on it. :confused:
A 3960X scores almost the double (~12000). I vote fake.
Good call. That raises serious doubts.
+ DXDiag indicates 295.73 drivers. Problem, GK107 is not in 295.73's nvdisp.inf strings at all ... That's a fake ...
something similar was mentioned in beyond3d forums as well
Nvidia is really on lock down apparently. I wonder when we'll finally get real leaks.
I saw on Nvidia's website advertising the GPU Technology Conference and it says that it takes place in May. the 14th to the 17th. So im willing to bet that seeing a Kepler release before then is extremely unlikley. Just my two cents.
Wow I wish I didn't sell my 7970 so fast now, I guess Nvidia succeeded in spooking the market with this lack of information but promise of plenty....
:-/
Déjà vuQuote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
That was kind of a stupid move to sell it honestly. You never want to sell a card unless you have proof or are absolutely sure that the newer card coming out is going to be a lot better that it's worth the money lost. Currently we have so much crap information floating around it seems like Nvidia is panicing and trying to fabricate rumors to scare people away from buying the new AMD cards and there's obviously a reason for it. I have a bad gut feeling this is all just smoke and mirrors. I could just be overreacting, and this new round might just be another 580 vs 6970. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
But either way, I won't believe anything about Kepler until I read credible proof from a reputable site (anandtech, hardocp, etc). Everything else can just piss off till then.