How come yours cost so much? They're between £43 and £60 on overclockers if you wait for the daily offer or this week only to come around. Got 4 kits now total cost £166...
How come yours cost so much? They're between £43 and £60 on overclockers if you wait for the daily offer or this week only to come around. Got 4 kits now total cost £166...
I can get 2200Mhz easy, ~2300Mhz using the 22x multi and pushing the BCLK. 24x multi doesnt work for me at all on a 3570K or 3770K. 26x multi worked shortly for a Spi 1m, but now its just no post, or post loop. Messed with the secondary and third timings, every voltage I could think of, very relaxed timings, nothing worked. So I dont know if its my set, some setting in BIOS, or what. Not the IMC (at least on the 3770K) because previous owner had ~2800Mhz.
PiLsY....I'm just biatching about the difference ...2 kits delivered for £105 because I was not aware of the overclockers offer thing.
Cecil.... I'm too new at this but thought I would start with mostly everything on auto except primary timings. I need to find what will run at around 1.65 or less preferably then compare the bandwidth with running slower but tighter. These will end up in a crunching rig probably then I will keep 1 pair for learning this stuff some. 2400 is nearly there using this method but I must be able to do better than 11,12,12,28 once I get the hang of it?? For this set though Voltage must remain reasonable.
Gah they stung you with that??? I seriously hate overclockers, every dealing with them ive had to have has been horrendous, from receiving different graphics cards to the ones I ordered and being accused of fraud until they spotted the stock discrepancy to taking months for refunds to arrive. Im very careful when i order from them, its only stuff like these samsungs that will force me to give them my money. I got one pair of kits for £40 each and one pair of kits for £43 each, postage £8 per order though. Kinda ridiculous given I got an A5 jiffy bag letter size delivery. They always shaft you somehow lol.
Sorry for the OT rant :lol:
Cecil, are you using 2 x 4gb or 4 x 4gb ? Try and mix and match with the slots and sticks and see if you have a bad stick or slot pair.
@Oldchap, try these settings my friend:
2400MHz :
1.5V - 1.6V
confirmed:
- 2400@10-10-10-30-1T @ 1.5V
- 2400@10-11-11-28-1T @ 1.58V
- 2400@11-11-11-28-1t @ 1.54V
I would not go 24/7 from these speeds and on:
2600/666MHz:
1.58V-1.68V
confirmed:
- 2666@10-12-12-25-1T @ 1.678V
I do not recommend going beyond this point.
"at your own risk"
2800MHz
1.71V-1.75V
confirmed:
- 2800@11-12-12-21 @ 1.73V
- 2840@11-12-12-28 @ 1.74V
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How do we "know" the table?
several full pages of trial and error.. or just few if you're very skilled.
There's no magic - just hard work, a LOT of boots, and very small incremental changes either way - to test and validate.
Many thanks to you rouvio. Whilst I realise that I need to learn a whole bunch of things to get into this I am happy to stick with this as a best for me, which will run LinX too :)
I am still struggling a bit with the 2400 area but I expect that due to the need for ~1.5v I will settle around the 2200 mark for the cruncher.
http://www.lakecityquietpills.com/ph...7361_thumb.png
Direct link. http://www.lakecityquietpills.com/ph...6456617361.png in case the size causes a problem :)
EDIT: by the way. d/l'd memtweakit and when running it does not show settings.... what is the trick there?
Double post...please delete.
None installed on this rig yet
I couldnt get memtweakit to work on my Sabertooth either. Just assumed it was only for ROG boards. Full OS install with all drivers, and full AI Suiet II installed.
just saw this... and it worked for me.... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5102480
Just saw this... If anyone is still looking
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Gr...item25702a2ffd
Pic looks right, description looks right.... worth a go?
No Sir, The Samsungs I had running at speeds of over 2800MHz are dead.
I had them RMA'd.
The mem got ^#$^ed up because of bad sealing during DICE sessions, and not over voltages.
This is my personal opinion (as the one carrying the DICE session, you know..), tho I cant have my finger pointing at over-voltages.
I still hold opinions that these are prolly the greatest mem kit of all times.
Yeah but earlier in the thread there were some who could not get it at all. These have a very limited list of places they will not send to.
There is no import duty on items valued below £135 Vat may be charged on items over £15 but often slip under the radar if the amount is small like this. It is a gamble you take.
You'd be surprise friend, what clear honesty can do.
After hearing my story in details the only thing the manager was interested in was the memory's batch number.
I was honest, I came clean, he understood and replaced.
You can be sure I will continue my business with them because I'm satisfied with the service.
I will also recommend all of my friends to purchase from them.
the manager was a thinking person, not a corporate serial numbered machine... which I can only admire.
I got mine from Caseking.de as someone gave a link to them in this thread: thank you ! Fast delivery and they didn't lie on their stock like some other german shops do...
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/...it::18771.html
Here's the chip marking for reference.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5586/p5190119.jpg
Just picked up 16GB of this for myself, along with a Z77 Sabertooth and a 3570K. Will report back with how well they do.
here my results with i3570K on the MIVE P67 B3 using BIOS 3209 with the YKO samsungs
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1939/five2400.jpg
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4836/five24001.jpg
and here its 4.9GHz at 2400 11-11-11-28 1T at 1,58125
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/572...0pasahyper.jpg
what tRFC are you using guys for 2400 speed, im on the MIVE and 3570K and its seems the key for stability
thanks in advance
Sergio
I don't have "The knowledge" for good procedure on this but I found by trial and error and reading some that these will run tRAS= CL + tRCD + 2. tRRD will probably go quite low (even as far as 4). tFAW = 4 * tRRD.
Try these 1 Step at a time though because I may be mis-remembering settings from other speeds
I think that I had no bandwidth increases below tRFC of 128
I wish I had some screen shots but I'm running some other tests for the next week.
Just have a play with it then run AIDA64 Cache and ram bench then play some more.
If you just cannot get it stable try enable PLL overvoltage because I am thinking that the threshold at which this kicks in automatically might be a little high.
I had success in stabilising by taking vccio up too but that was definitely when trying for 2133 9,10,10
Hope something here helps.
thanks buddy for the help, for ex my patriots 2000 9-11-9-27 1T are tRFC 171 and they are stable at same timmings same volts at 2200, but the samsungs even tough they go to 2400 or more at 11-11-11-28 1T at 1,58125 with VCCSA 0.98125 and vtt 1,08125 they are stable i can play but once passed memtest 200% in win then not again its weird, i remember having this problem with the dang ballistix
with the patriots i have to put manual 171 if i dont it dont boot, so i was looking to increase tRFC on the samsungs
will give a try
thanks a lot
Sergio
what voltages are ok 24/7 please ? am I ok up to 1.55V ? (3770K/Ivybridge) I'm running a Gene V
I find 2200 11-11-11-28 2T nice and easy at 1.44V (16gb)
2200 10-10-10-24 seems ok at 1.48V or so
it seems to struggle with 2400 - can't get that stable - even at higher volts. and 1T seems ok - but hard to get stable - I had 2000 CAS10 1T running fine at 1.5V - with a slight bump in mem controller volts on 3770k, but then i got a blue screen during a handbrake encode - after 30 hrs of encoding .... (was a memory error too) - so I've gone back to 2T
I guess 2200 CAS10 at 2T is as good if not better than 2000 CAS10 at 1T ?
I decided that 1.58v should be OK and have run it at that for a couple of weeks 24/7 crunching Seems good.
1T should give you better bandwidth but you need to run Cache and Mem bench to test these then Memtest the final settings for some hours
The pcb gets warm at 1.6v and hot at 1.65v. You need some airflow aimed at the sticks at higher volts. The pcb these are on is simply not designed for higher voltages, the chips will take it fine though.
I wouldnt run over 1.6v without airflow and 1.65v with airflow 24/7. Benching youll be fine up to about 1.75v where they stop scaling (again airflow required).
Guys, what are these sticks capable of on x79?
:)
PiLsY; Do you know if they keep scaling if you can keep them cold?
is new egg still sold out on these dimms?
pete you make sure you tell me before you go ordering any of these, i want at least one kit.
Thought I'd mention there's a second source for these in the UK for anyone looking:
http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/item-detai...cts_id=4377589
Personally I don't rate them very high as a place to buy from, but if all you're after is the RAM might be ok.
Little bit cheaper than OverclockersUK. Thought it was a bit rich that OCUK's email today advertises them as "Overclockers UK EXCLUSIVE"...
Price difference here is still quite high though:
Yoyotech: £49.82 incl. VAT
OverclockersUK: £53.99 incl. VAT
NewEgg: US$47.99 / 1.55 (rough exch. rate) * 1.2 (VAT) = £37.15 incl. VAT
Here is my result with these sticks on the Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe (ITX-board). Sadly it isn't possible to raise the VCCIO-voltage.
But i think DDR3-2200 on an ITX-Board with only 1,395V VDimm is a nice result. :)
2200MHz | 10-11-11-25-1T | 1.395v | 8GB | Z77 | Prime95 | Screen
http://www.abload.de/thumb/ddr3-2200...5v-prcnyyx.jpg
That little mobo recently caught my attention but this is just awesome! Who would say it has so much potential... :up:
Been ages since I oc'd memory, but thought I'd start with some of these Samsung 30nm modules and very surprised at what they can do even on Z68 :)
System used:
- Core i7 2700K 3126C256
- Corsair H50-1 H20 cooling
- Asus Maxmus IV Gene-Z 3305 bios
- 2x 4GB Samsung DDR3-1600 MV-3V4G3D/US 30nm
- Sapphire HD5870 flashed to Asus bios
- 80GB Intel X25-M SSD
- 1200W Silverstone OP1200
DDR3-2133Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.35v !
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...8m35s437ms.png
DDR3-2161Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.35v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...906ms_1080.png
George! put them on Z77 and make them sing!
no Z77 as yet heh
DDR3-2176Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.35v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...015ms_1088.png
DDR3-2245Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.40v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...031ms_1122.png
DDR3-2257Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.425v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...969ms_1128.png
zzz eva :p:
you can do that 9-9-9 too, just increase the voltage a little :)
Can't find any of these in Canada still. May have to order one from the US if I can't soon.
So many people in Canada have no idea about Newegg's Canada site...'
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820147096
I did, just was never in stock when I last looked. I had it auto notified but never got an email :/
$10 shipping on ram is a bit to much though, now I remember why I usually don't order from newegg.
When it comes to these memory modules, what's better, running them at 1866 with timings 9-9-9-24 1T or 2133 with 9-10-10-27 1T? I got a 2500k running on an Asus P8P67 Deluxe @ 4.8GHz. What kind of program can I use to see the difference while benching them? Thanks on advanced and sorry for the noob questions.
Rule of thumb is to run the highest OC per cas over standard as possible. The standards are 100Mhz per cas, so cas 8 = 800Mhz(1600Mhz), cas 9 = 900Mhz(1800Mhz,) cas 10 = 1000Mhz(2000Mhz), etc....
Plus Ivy likes speed over timings, so just try for highest speed, then tighten from there.
I use Aida64 to see the memory bandwidth using their Tools>memory and cache benchmark feature
eva - how did you determine those secondary and tertiary timings please ?
going to give them a go as you are at much lower volts than me :) I'm using manual for primary timings and for tWCL - but all rest are on auto/spd on my Gene V
thanks
I don't think the memory or Z68 Maximus IV Gene-Z board or my 3570K IMC is allowing me to do 2256Mhz 9-9-9-x. Just updated Maximus IV Gene-Z from 3305 to 3402 bios, so re-testing again. Probably, need to really test this on Z77 board to be sure.
I bought 5 pairs of Samsung Greens all 1149 batch. There is a variance in behaviour between each pair. I have 2 pairs which at low volts 1.4v onwards scale nicely at 10-10-10-24 1T all the way to 2310-2314mhz then need 11-11-11-x all the way to around 2380-2389mhz. Then I have 2 pairs that clearly at lower 1.4v volts need 10-11-10 or 11-11-11 from 2200mhz and scale to around 2349-2365mhz.
I have yet to really touch secondary and tertiary timings yet (besides tRFC below), just getting a feel for primary timings and frequency headroom each pair of Samsung Greens has based on voltage/vrm adjustments alone first.
Switched cpus from 2700K Sandy Bridge to 3570K Ivy Bridge for higher memory divider support :)
- Core i5 3570K L208B104
- Corsair H50-1 H20 cooling
- Asus Maxmus IV Gene-Z 3305 bios
- 2x 4GB Samsung DDR3-1600 MV-3V4G3D/US 30nm
- Sapphire HD5870 flashed to Asus bios
- 80GB Intel X25-M SSD
- 1200W Silverstone OP1200
DDR3-2266Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.4875v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...ms_1133mhz.png
DDR3-2291Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.4875v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...ms_1145mhz.png
DDR3-2303Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.5000v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...ms_1151mhz.png
DDR3-2308Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.5500v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...ms_1154mhz.png
DDR3-2314Mhz 10-10-10-24 1T at 1.6000v
http://fileshosts.com/intel2011/asus...mhz_aida64.png
edit: wow, Maximus IV Gene-Z 3402 bios really changed things for the worse, having difficulty even booting at 1866mhz regardless of timings http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...untry=&status= !
I look at the changes that I get in this only when tuning for a single speed. That said, once you change speed you can then start over and, once tuned, compare results with the previous set.
My primary result to look for is the copy number but I cannot remember what it is that I read to make me take that decision.
guys does going over 1,65vdimm for daily use my hurt IMC on IVY ? i have team X 2400 CL9 and Patriots can run perfect 2400 to 2500 tight but i want 2600 and they do pass hyperpi but fail memtest i need to pump VTT and VCCSA and VDIMM over 1,68 can use it for daily or will harm IMC ???
thanks in advance
Sergio
Got it working on mine, and on Gig and Asrock boards as well. 1.01.6
Got mine the other day. Haven't been able to use them yet though.
New board doesn't have a PCI lane and PCI doesn't work with PCIe (didn't know that) so now I have to buy a new wireless adapter :(
Man these things are short though.
Thought I'd throw my hat in the ring with these HYK0 sticks. I've been testing on my RIVE+3930k setup. Unfortunately I couldn't do 1200MHz 9-11-11 like OnePageBook could, but I managed 11-11-11-28 1T with untweaked subtimings at 1.56v for HyperPi 32M stability.
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Play with Vccio, Vccsa, transmitter slew and receiver slew. 2400 9-11-11-28 should be possible with 1.65V. I will sure try when my sticks come in from RamExpert. :)
I wouldn't bet on it. Though one of my pairs does 10-11-11-22 2400 with 1.6v, the other pair needs 1.65v for this.
Which board do you have and what week are your sticks produced?
Opb used a Maximus V Gene which is notorious for it's ram clocking abilities.
Week 5 seem to be the favoured production week for these sticks altough i've been told all sticks from 2012 should be fine.
Edit: I see OPB used a Rampage IV Extreme so on the MVG it should be even easier! :D
I've a asrock Z77 professional, not the best board but it get's by. My stick must be most def 2012 sticks, but if you tell me where can I see the week I'll be able to tell you exactly.
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In the red square. ;)
Thanks, worst pair is 1214 as well as the best pair :)
My two 1205 sticks won't even boot at 9-11-11-28.
What voltage did you try?
I tried 1.65v. Didn't go over that as these sticks don't seem to like high volts.
Are you sure ? I can do as far as 9-10-10 @ 2200 below 1.65v
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20116032/Re...msung/2200.jpg
My 1205's run nice up to 2200 either slack ON low volts or tight (CL8) & high volts on my UD5H then depending on timings/volts you can get them prime stable up to 2300 fairly easy. 2300 ~ 2380 they run but I have trouble booting sometimes they fine other times no go. 2380 + single stick runs & boots fine here's a suicide shot just to see what one stick could run..... shame I can't get 2 sticks like this.
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...ickBoot18v.png
I just got a new kit of these, batch 1220. We'll see how they do.
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Not bad, these can do 10-11-11-28 1T@1.58v HyperPi32M stable. I'll have to bin two of my other four sticks to see if I can't run 16GB at these settings.
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my 1221 2x4 gb "1300 10-12-12
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4x4 9-11-11
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but cpu imc is weak .. 1300 - is max for pi32 .
I'm sorry, this was with 1.7v , idk if they will do this with less volts 9-11-11-24 @ 2400.
The IMC on this chip sucks, anything over 2400 = no boot :(
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20116032/Re...ung/2400_3.jpg
That's what i'm talking about guys, 2400 cas9! T0lsty, what voltage for that?
I've ordered another kit from caseking.de hoping it will arrive this week so i can have a play.
Aiming for 4x4GB 2400 9-11-11 for daily usage. :)
My IMC ( or board... ) must be really weak, with 4x4GB I can't boot over 2133Mhz, even at 2133 stability isn't possible to achieve, I can only start playing at 4x4GB 2000Mhz :( it's really a shame.
That seems very strange, what stepping is your CPU?
Asus killing hardware? My last 10 boards have all been Asus. Zero hardware killed.
Not keeping an eye on voltages when set at auto is user error in my book.
Maybe you're just plain anti-Asus?
Early batch L152B586 , it's an average CPU 1.176v for 4.5Ghz , 1.36v for 4.8Ghz and around 1.45v ( still to be tested ) for 5Ghz. I've it with original TIM replaced with phobya's liquid metal. Temps are awesome.
I would have no problem in getting that extreme6 bios. I would just hope there would be such thing for my Z77 Asrock Professional, I confess this board was a casting error. I should have wait some more days, at that time, and go for the M5G.
I though about giving asrock a chance, I had ASUS since 775 with the 1st conroe, never had any major problems, though with P67 I had some problems with their RMA ( sucky sucky ) and ended up paying around 50€ to have my M4E fixed and working again... and that took them 4 f*cking months...
The past is the past, I just wished for better support with full dim slots populated, because sh*t just goes crazy when I try to overclock 4x4GB
Sigh, I just said every brand sucks, yet you think I am anti-asus because they were mentioned? Cmon, objective reading performance have to exceed football this round...
MSI kills hardware too, 3 CPUs 2 motherboards by countrymen, for that 5ghz 32M challenge at XS so far, and was 5 mobos 3 CPUs on MSI for MOA - guess they are ASUS haters because they lost some hardware, right? Stummerwinter also lost his best 3770K CPU on MVE...
ASUS are having some trouble with Z77, just like everyone else.
Gigabyte is extremely reliable, you can pour water on it while running and it will still survive.... However, the BIOS are the by far worst that I have had to experience... Their UEFI sucks, all of them, they are HOPELESSLY BAD - one should not think 1 single person can make that great a difference, but he could, head of BIOS team changed, and by god the quality of BIOS went to hell.
At this point, batch is of no importance, and that isnt bad at all, I've had 5 3770K so far, its not IMC related at this level, simply just immature BIOS.
MVG should help alot, and to my knowledge be really good with Sams, the 'issue' of the board is cap on vdimm, you cannot go very high 1.7v or so.... But you wont go higher with samsung HYK0 IC anyway :)
But the BIOS is hard getting for now, but will be more available soon, but right now, we are less then 10 with the BIOS.
1.7v for memory is low, but hey 1.8v would be enough for me.
As for the bios I know some ppl, that know some ppl that are for sure on that 10 with the bios, that's why I sad that getting it wouldn't be that hard :)
You specifically mentioned Asus and no other brands for killing hardware, hence my answer. I don't see how i can read that any more objective. I don' t keep track of who is killing what but i am sure other brand boards take cpu's out. Even Gigabyte. And sure Asus does but i'm quite sure Asus is the most used brand by overclockers so more cases of killed hardware compared to other brands is what you'll see.
But let's not take this thread too far off topic. ;)
Running 1068 @ 10-10-10-28 1t @ 1.5v . First time playing with these sticks. Have 32g and i just grabbed 4 to test. Is this a good 32m super pi ?
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Well, I managed HyperPi 32M at 1200MHz 10-11-11-28 1T with 1.575v, batches 1134 paired with 1220.
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Noice! Almost there. Do you think Cas 9 is possible with let's say 1.65V?
Which is a good voltage for 24/7 operation?
Today one of the kits i'd ordered finally came in. Week 15.
Slotted the rams in and loaded the mild Samsung profile. 1.5V and DDR2000, no problems, timings are a bit loose at 10-12-12 but a good starting point to get to know the rams. After that i tried DDR2200, still no problem. Then DDR2400, that initially gave code 55 but after a restart it booted into Windows without trouble.
From there on i started testing for stabilty and ended up with this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DR2400crop.png
It's been a real busy day today so more testing tomorrow. So far i'm happy. :)
Oh btw, i pointed my infrared thermometer at the rams, they never broke 35ºC with a 80mm fan blowing over them at low rpm at load.
Guys I have four 1147 batch here, what timings should I aim for with 3930K for 2400 24/7 use?
I have 4x4 Team 2400-9-11-11, benched 2450c9 but not prime stable even at 2400. Looser timings didn't seem to help, I think my imc is struggling, xmp 2133 seems much more stable with four sticks in.
What mem test is that?
:)
that is memtest for windows aussie
are you on IVY ? or SB ? my Team X would boot 2800 11-14-14 and im stable at 2600 10-12-12-22 1T at 1.665
btw the 1147 batch i had 4 modules and they didnt do well but never had the chance to test them on the GENE 5 maybe was that
memtest link
http://www.hcidesign.com/memtest/MemTest.zip
cheers !
Sergio