That's the million dollar question mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
But yeah come on skinnee while we're young/alive! :p:
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That's the million dollar question mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
But yeah come on skinnee while we're young/alive! :p:
Just hope he replys with a positive answer :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by phenomenon67
Confirmed! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
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To all those asking for results... I am busting hump trying to get everything done and released ASAP. That includes writing everything while the last TIM tests are running.
Awesome!! Cant wait for the results.
Oh, and Hello All, I'm now finally a part of this great forum :)
This thread is EXACTLY what I was looking for!!! I typically go with EK for my cooling needs, but after you post the results we shall see. Awesome thread!!! :clap:
I got tired waiting for this comparison to happened. Just got 2 EK blocks for my 480's... Its been like month and a half so far. And i am not sure how long i had to wait to see it actually. I respect Skinnee efforts to present us with good review. But i think its taking too much time. Its 8 blocks after all.
I got my self 2 Koolance for 480's they are doing very good.
I don't see how one could go wrong with an EK product, they do have one of the best CPU water blocks on the market, the EK Supreme HF! I mean really do you think even if Danger Den's block is even 6C cooler than an EK block that it will make much difference in the life of your product, of course not! Unless your an extreme type of person that wants every last MHz they can get out of Fermi, then by all means wait. The price difference when buying two or three DD blocks is substantially a lot more dough!Quote:
Originally Posted by BobyTT
- Systemlord
:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by BobyTT
You lack patience and discipline!
http://youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily..../chinaman.jpeg
@Systemlord: Well i got them for 70&90$ so i cant say i feel sorry. But for sure wanted to see how they perform before i buy them compare with most of the competition. I am pretty happy with them. But still i hold my purchase as long as i could just because of waiting for Skinnee. Anyway i will for sure check his review anyway.
@ForceFed_B16A : Thats how i roll... No patience and discipline.
I wasn't waiting for Skinnee, and these won't be the last blocks I buy so no worries for me, 4 x Aquagrafx on the 470's and an EK on the 480 :D
Hey, Eddy, are you getting nervous? :D
Not saying I'm not deeply interested and hanging out for the review of course :D
I am still waiting on the review before my purchase, however I am NOT complaining about the time. I am just thrilled someone is doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
I do appreciate it and am in no hurry.
Thanks again. :up:
Skinnee is doing this for free, out of his own time, money and effort. I think we should keep these facts in mind. He doesn't owe us or the community any thing. He also didn't promise a time frame.
I suggest we back off and stop bugging him. It comes when it comes.
Wes
I'd suggest you taking off that picture as it can be seen as offensive and racial stereotyping.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceFed_B16A
Results results results!!
Totally agree with whats been said. The fact we have someone as skilled as Skinnee exclusive to this incredible forum, taking the hard work out of deciding exactly what hardware to invest in, to me personally is worth its weight in gold.
I upgrade to the latest GPUs from nvidia whenever they are released, and always end up watercooling them with ful cover blocks, everytime I upgrade I have a pair of them aircooled for atleast a month or two. This gives me a chance to break them in, monitor stock temps, see how they behave to overclocking etc and if faults occur I can RMA. It also reminds you of how primitive air cooling is and really makes you appreciate water cooling when you finally do get your blocks on.
Going on the fact I had my GTX 285 2GB SLi watercooled for a year and a half im expecting the same service span out of GTX 480 SLi,
So for me waiting a couple weeks more on air to be told what the leading superior block is, exactly how to mount it (hd video and with TIM or pads) is quite frankly a privilege. Hard to find the words to describe what im trying to get across but I really am grateful someone is doing full blown research on this subject. I want the best for my Fermis and anyone being as patient and waiting for results before they part with their hard earned wages has that garunteed. And know you've made a wise well researched investment.
We love you Skinnee !! :clap:
+1, QFT! Take your time Skinnee. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
I agree on the run on air for a while before watercooling. I didn't do that on my last round of cards (GTX295's) and regret it. Have done so on this round of Fermis and appreciated the watercooling all the more when I got it all going :)
I'm the same opinion: It's done, when it's done!
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Originally Posted by ell
Hear, Hear!!!:up:
Skinnee, if you setup a PayPal account for donations, I'm sure many of us here are willing to help finance these tests. :D
-1Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
u know he didnt buy those blocks rite
Yeah, but, Vapor has got to eat. :D
that being saidQuote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
shall we set up a paypal account for everybody in the review page
they have to eat and their test setup cost more.
:oscar::oscar:
u didnt think this through did ya.
Nope.
My mind is about washed out. I'm just waiting for these results, man. No rush, want Skinnee to get it all right and all the data that he needs in his time, but, I've had my finger ready to click Submit on three EK GTX 480 waterblocks several times now, and I just can't pull the trigger until I see those results. :D
Hey, Eddy, are you happy to read that?
You know he has spent his free time giving us excellent reviews and all of the data collected that gave Jonny the information he needed to make the best choice right? Show a little gratitude and quit being a freeloader! :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
me tooo mate, Once he posts results im hitting the checkout button for 2x :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
I mean put both TIM and thermal pad together. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
a freeloader.??. better check ure facts on this mate. since ure talking without knowin much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
again.... never said anything ungrateful
but u definitely another nutcase
No donations, you folks keep your dollars for buying gear. I appreciate the offer, but we'd much rather you get to buy parts with your cash.
I am working to finish everything up and I understand the itch and complaints to hurry up and be done. Trust me, I wish I had the 8-10 hours a day I spend on the day job working on lab stuff, but that is not reality.
BTW Skinnee May i ask you what do you do with all the Blocks you test? i know its non of my business but i was wondering where do this amount of stuff go?
He melts it down into a self statue of greatness placed in the pantheon of water cooling gods!
HA, no statues.
All the gear I test usually ends up back in the box in the closet, some is used for various other tests, but blocks take a beating through testing.
I know I'll wait, As I'm really patient, But then I have to be on what amounts to retirement income, As I'm a disabled person. But I can plan in advance at least, Me I'm slowly putting together a Seti@Home(a Boinc project) cruncher with an EVGA Classified 200(or an Asus P7P55 WS Super Computer, haven't decided yet really), 2 psus(1050w&1250w, I have the 1050w in a HAF-932 case), five GTX295 cards(I have one now, a v1, the other 4 will be v2 types) and the whole thing will be water cooled of course... :D The cards will do work on Seti by using CUDA as I'm not much of a gamer.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
I'm in no hurry so take your time as these things can not be rushed. I'm sure once you are done with your testing that it will become incredibly helpful for those looking to find the right product for their setup and wallet! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
- Systemlord
your closet must be an enormous one :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
No I think what he was saying is that his closet IS a "pantheon of water cooling gods!" :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by seeka12
it's a shame all that unused watercooling stuff just sitting there
U know what u can do with the blocks your not using *hint hint*Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Why so curious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
He wants free stuff.
I'm sure Skinnee has trusted friends and top notch builders who have known Skinnee for a few years and have been around longer than this month :rofl: if he decides to let some stuff go.
Kinda sad how this thread has degraded. Give me results, give me your free stuff. I'm sure if he would to let free stuff go and take into account his hours of work, a $100 item just jumped to $250 at $40 an hour minimum for his expertise and one of a kind ability.
Johnny87, give it a rest.
Now that you mention it, not to get off track here, but, I look at my join date, and I've been around here for 5 years now! Wow!Quote:
Originally Posted by Conumdrum
*facepalm* :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
With an amazing track record of 9 posts a year on average :eek: :rofl:.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
from 2 days some people suggested skinnee opening a donation page for people to donate money and then here are some people suggesting skinnee donating with his blocks,OMG people's attitude changes fast :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Conumdrum
Well, I think that Skinnee has been very generous with his time and has provided a tremendous resource for water cooling newbs like me. His data is first rate and I eagerly await the next installment. I do find the notion of using this thread to beg for free stuff more than a bit tasteless but I am still vaguely amused at the inevitability of it :)
wot he said x2 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wryknow
(oh - 1 year and now 13 posts...)
And this is why most of the stuff just goes into the closet, or off to Vapor for his testing.
Finishing up one more block with TIM, reviews and comparison are being written and making a "TIM Compatible" list. :)
Your lucky skinnee, Me I just got another GTX295 in a trade for an XP x64 OS CD, So now I've have a dual board and a single board with 3 more single board versions to get, One of these days they'll get water cooled just like the 480 cards in this thread, But without the testing of course. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
My aching fingers. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
Hey, Skinnee, I'm on vacation this coming week, so take your time with those results. I don't plan on getting back to my new build until I get back around next Saturday or so.
To everyone else, please save me at least three of the winning blocks so that I may complete my build until x68. :D
You sir are very lucky, thats quite rare to do a trade like that lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JokerCPoC
I'll only be lucky if the card passes with memtestG80 v1.1, Like My current BFG v1 card has, The New one is an EVGA v2, My friend parted with It as It was erroring out doing Work Units in Windows 7 while doing Seti@Home, Which could have been the young drivers at the time or dust or something, If It passes I'll have a newer card, If not a good card for playing PC games with that I could sell. Of course there is no warranty from EVGA as Nvidia stopped all chip production months ago, So EVGA and others can't even replace a card and right now mixing both new cards and an old type is possible, yet that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Me too lol hopefully the results will be in 2 weeks from now when I am back so I can start my upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
i'm getting paid tomorrow, so really want to get the result already :) i'm about to pull the trigger on a koolance block, just want to make sure i'm not wasting my cash.
Judging by blank article placeholder named "Nvidia GTX480 ..." @skinneelabs website, it's gonna be RSN :). Though then again in similar way it quickly apeared for CPU-360 for short time, but still few days before publishing finished review article, so who knows :D
doh... thats not supposed to be there... and fixed.
Like I said, working feverishly. :)
I think, AquagratiX GTX480 is a winner! :)
you neally done with results mate?? :):)
Give the guy some slack ! I dont think you realize the amount of work it requires and he does that for free (although i'd suggest a beerware option) and after all he's already posted the most relevant information imho (mounting process) - slight temperature differences dont do anything to GPUs as long as they are way below the limit. I'd pick whatever is more available, cheap, easy to mount, hassle free... GPU temps are not as critical as CPU temps.
you've missed the point, this is xtremesystems. Only the best will do.
The best in what :D as i said temperatures are not so much relevant there, so "best" would be better flowing, with best mounting, and best looks i guess ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
Temperatures are always relevant IMO... its the safe operating ranges and card stability that are most important, then comes temps and flow followed by mounting and looks.
Just my $.02.
I think what he implied was that most of the modern blocks are so close in performance (~2-7c difference) that it wouldn't matter to most of the users (of course this is XS :)). There are some users willing to sacrifice that 2c for bling.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Wes
Oh yeah... wasn't tossing darts. Each of us rank the 4 (temps, flow, mounting, looks) according to our own preferences. I just called out my personal ranking, I guess it really all depends on the build though.
Damn options. :p:
You ranked them. Freudian? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Anyhoo, mounting's a big thing for me (and whether the thermal pads are nicely cut up). Eg, the HK GTX295 block doesn't exactly have the best instructions on how tight to screw. I damaged some of the plastic washers that way. Funny thing is that the HK L1366 block was the easiest block to mount ever, even compared to TR air coolers. Solid instructions, felt that they were done by 2 different companies.
It's temps, mounting, flow, looks in my book. I couldn't care less if it looked terribad, WC is an exercise in pure utility for me.
Wes
Temps, looks, mounting, flow for me. Unless the mounting is so terribad that it breaks something on the card, although I've seen more popped/cracked/chipped capacitors from removing the original cooler than anything else. For me 7°C (upper end of your example) is pretty substantial a difference, enough to make me not buy a block no matter how pretty or easy to fit it was.
I'll agree with you on all of the above, 7C on water cooling is a big deal at least to me. You add another graphics card and now you have a 14C increase in temps, go for TRI SLI and you are now 21C difference! I have the money to buy but I'm going to wait patiently. I expect the EK block to perform close to Danger Den block, but not in price though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Biffa
- Systemlord
Well... there will be no more testing of the GTX480...
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images...X480-elfin.jpg
A GTX480 has been sacrificed in the pursuit of data. :shakes:
The GTX 480 is dead - long live the GTX 480...the bonus is that since there can be no more testing, all that's left to do is working on posting the results. YEAH!!!!
how that happened :eek:?
Card blew idling after a run on stock cooling--all the data on he wanted to collect from the waterblocks has been collected and he was on the second to last planned run on the card (again, on stock cooling, for comparison's sake) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SWTOR
This might move the results up a day or so though :p:
Hey there,Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
It doesn't add up that way. If it's a 7c thing on 1 card, it's 7c difference on all 3 cards. Btw, the ~2-7c is just an approximation. Please don't take it as gospel.
Wes
Yep it doesnt add up that way, and the temperature differences are much tighter on GPU's... and it doesnt grand much more OC at all (if not at all) anyway. For me it's flow mounting looks temps, as long as temps remain withing decent ranges under full load at full OC... For CPU it's different (since my i7 reaches thermal limit) the order of priorites change completely. But i wouldnt dismiss a full cover GPU block because it's doing 1C worse than another one. Granted, if VRMs start burning like that poor 480 it's an immediate dismiss :D
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Originally Posted by skinnee
I'm leaning towards the EK nickle + acrylic top, it looks so sexy! This way I can monitor how clean and if there are deposit build up around the block. I'm truly sorry for your loss, but it will be remembered for it's sacrifice! :bows: Which of the two chips are the VRMs? You really cooked all six of those chips, dam! I wonder how many layers of PCB got toasted...?
- Systemlord
Boy do I feel ~ :am:Quote:
Originally Posted by wesley
- Systemlord
noooooooooooo, mind letting us know which blocks did shine out compare to the others whilst testing? :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
No worries dude. All of us are learning new stuff too.
Wes
hmmm weird how that card died. mosfet short?...can you clean it up? and pics :D
sorry for your loss skinnee its a community loss as well...
It's cool, if I can learn something new everyday I'm doing pretty well! I'm going to Google what Temperature Delta is for two things learned today. :D Mosfets is what they are, that answers my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by wesley
- Systemlord
ugh, that means you'll have to retest everything on a new 480, because chances are the sensors won't be calibrated to the same degree.
He will not be retesting anything, below he stated...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
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Originally Posted by skinnee
Yeah, I'm not retesting... all the thermals are complete, was just plowing threw some stock cooler runs for a comparison. Test finished, idling down... walked back to my chair and continued working on images... poof, and then the smell of fried electronics.
The last bits of data he didn't get to obtain were the least important of the bunch :)
He has decent (2 mounts rather than 3) stock clocks + stock cooling data that can be compared to his good stock clocks + waterblock :)
If there's a secondary component to this testing (MCW80 + unisink, MCW80 + stock sink bracket, etc., etc.), that can be done with a new card and maybe bring over and retest one or two fullcovers for those interested in lots of cross comparison :)
Do you expect the warrenty to kick-in for the toasted GTX 480?Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
yeah, definitely don't need a full on retest for the core only blocks, just enough for a valid cross comparison.
Its shocking going from all TIM testing to stock cooler and seeing 93C for your GPU core. :p:
warranty... no, I'm well past the boundaries of warranty.
skinnee
When a you posting the results? :(
This is the second GTX480 card dead on this Month and mosfets again.
How many water blocks in your testing could use 100% TIM without the need for thermal pads? I bet it's like going from a cold winter to summer in Death Valley! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Jebus I'm sorry about your loss. Do you plan a proper burial? Or, now that the card is dead do you have anyone that could go and try to change the burnt components to see if he could pull a frankenstein on that card?
Can we please have an ETA Skinnee?
Agreed, sorry if I confused anyone, but I meant 7°C on the entire loop would be important for me, especially if the loop included an i7.Quote:
Originally Posted by wesley
Understood that we are talking ballpark here, but theoretically it would be important.
In a GPU only loop, maybe/maybe not. I haven't seen any Fermi blocks not able to keep a thrashed GTX480 sub 60° and a GTX470 sub 50° (depending on ambient of course)
This is just in my experience, I bow, obviously to the more extreme veterans experience, but I can only go on what I see in my own builds. :cool:
Uuuh! GTX 480 dead! Skinnee .. you are real extreme! Looks like 100% TIM is no go for the long run. $400+ card to kiss goodbye!
Hope that EK block perform on average ..
Wish I could nail it down for you, just working through all the writing each evening... soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
If the GPU temps is higher, it doesnt mean the water temp is higher ! 7C more on the GPU wont affect other component temperatures, actually could be the water is even cooler due to less efficient heat transfer from the waterblock. Dont mix up the component temperature and coolant temperature...Quote:
Originally Posted by Biffa
Actually the flow restriction will affect more seriously the rest of the loop.
And i have yet to see any significant difference in GPU overclocking using room temp watercooling, be it 40 50 or 60C... You have to go chilled or subzero for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biffa
Air to water on the GTX480 has lots of OC headroom. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
yep. fried mosfets already told us about that:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
What i mean is, do you reach the thermal limit on this chip ? This has not happened on GPUs yet (for conventional watercooling), usually at room level temperatures the OC limit is reached long before the chip overheats or throttles down (the VRM cooling is a separate issue).Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
That GTX 480 has been to hell and back, I'm not that shocked that it happened. Could have been the quality of the mosfets or maybe the mosfets had poor contact with one of the water blocks for a period of time. All I know is those mosfets were deep fried! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gmat
- Systemlord
its not only about thermal limits, cooler core means higher stable ocQuote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Ah, I hear the graceful typing of one Skinnee pulling together ever most precious data compiled over the last 90 days or so. Kind sir, many await your prized data with baited breath and tender wallets! But, do take your time, sir, and make it the most perfect of presentations. Again, thank you!
How much compared to air cooling :)? Interested to know I hope you included OC tests with all blocks too :D! Anxious to see results !Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee