Also, let us know how 901m does :up: I won't make any further changes until some feedback is recieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghost_recon88
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Also, let us know how 901m does :up: I won't make any further changes until some feedback is recieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghost_recon88
They might be pulling the option out real soon that is all I will say....... Ket I pmed you.
Can you spell copyright infringement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick64
The only way I see this working is if he writes original BIOSes from scratch.
Didn't think of that! Perhaps Ket should get a job at Asus....Quote:
Originally Posted by B.E.E.F.
Aaah so the half multi is a known issue - well, glad (in a way) that i'm not the only one to have experienced it.
Currently, running orthos at 420x9.5, 1.4250v and it's stable 21 mins in, whereas 445x9 wasn't (same settings otherwise, vtt, vMem, vCore, NB)...the BIOS's that are newer than the 1306 i'm assuming are Beta's?
Oh and whats CPU Margin Enhancement?
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Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
A :banana::banana::banana::banana:y option that is forking stuff up for Q9450 users and maybe,, other Quad users.. You have nothing to worry about if you are using a dual core.
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Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
That should explain it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
:yepp:
Are the reported problems with Q9450 ONLY occurring with those, or on the Q9550 as well? I'm currently losing sleep over an upgrade decision on Q6700 or Q9550 (with P5Q Pro)... :p: Are the 45nm quads more trouble than they are worth compared to the older models?
I say get the 9550 and stick to a BIOS that doesn't have the option on it and you will be happy.:up: They will be removing the option very soon at this point any way so problem almost solved.
There is going to be a new set of BIOS files I will be releasing in a few days hopefully, quite heavily modified. These files will NOT be the "uber BIOSes".
Picture is worth 1000 words,,
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4...00wordscb7.jpg
1403 works for you? If thats the case, tell Asus to bloody hurry up and churn out a 1403 for all the P5Q series.
It works with my Q6600 that is the key note my freind , that is the key note. You know what this means right? My Q9450 has been damaged by this damn setting.......:shakes:
Bad Asus. They didn't put CPU M-E in the M2F BIOS and that board uses a P45 chipset, so why did they put it in the P5Q Series? At the very least Asus should have thoroughly tasted an option such as CPU M-E before releasing a BIOS with it in :shakes:
It's highly dependent on your setup. I see no issues on my p5q-e with my q9450 & newer BIOSes like 1201 and 1402.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB
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Originally Posted by CryptiK
Thank You for that information, it does help some and is appreciated :)
Larry
fwiw clock skews can make all the difference with quads too. unlike my gigabyte ep45-ds3r i don't need to adjust clock skews to get high clocks on the p5q-e, but especially when OCing memory they do come in handy. the only trick is to get a 50ps interval on p5q boards you have to adjust the dimm clock skew as well as the cpu and nb skews, since the latter 2 only have 100ps intervals on p5q boards. regardless you might find they help you squeeze out the last few mhz you're after. in some cases they might even help you achieve lower clocks with less volts than with skews on auto, so they're not strictly for OCs that push the limits of your hardware.
edit: found a nice light explanation of clock skews that helped me understand them better ... http://www.overclock.net/faqs/119265...save-your.html
ppl can anybody upload somewhere bios seting for p5q-e and e8500 e0 higt overclock? (espesialy interested in gtl and vtt and northebridge) oc 4.5 or higher for m1402 bios?
Uh-oh.. Cryptik.. its one of "those" people :p:
BIOSes removed.
Hi Ket. What's the reason for setting CPU Margin Enhancement to Compatible?
Theory is it'll enable the BIOS to act more like the versions before CPU M-E was added.
OK, P5Q-E 1402m is scary. You might need to pull it down before anyone else tries it.
Loaded defaults on 1302, rebooted, Flashed to 1402, system rebooted, entered setup and set defaults, tried to save and reboot, and it rebooted to a blank screen. Got scared, thought my system was screwed, but managed to reboot properly after turning all power off. Rebooted, entered BIOS, it was back at stock settings. Entered defaults, tried to reboot, system froze. was able to boot after turning power off again, but got "Press F1 to restore BIOS settings" screen or whatever it is. I did that, and entered BIOS again. Settings were back at default. 1402 will not save BIOS settings and every time I try to get into Windows with defaults, I get "Press F1 to recover BIOS", blah.
I'm all for adding more memory and CPU compatibility Ket but I think maybe you went too far with these! I'm not sure about renaming stuff in there anyway, I'd rather keep the original names for stuff... call me old fashioned if you like, but it's kinda pointless renaming it to Xtreme Clocker. My OC's are not very extreme anyway!
I renamed it just because "Ai Tweaker" sounds a bit gay :p: I'm not sure why the BIOS acted weird for you, its only mostly been minor layout changes. Did you properly reset the CMOS after the flash? (remove power cord and battery etc)
Just a question, what are you using to edit the BIOS files? Is it IDA Pro? If so, i have v4.8 and can't open anything :(
Yeah, it is a bit gay. Fair point! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Nope, no reset, I have never needed to reset CMOS and I've done literally dozens of flashes on this board. I'm on the previous version of 1402 right now, btw. All is well.
Hello Ket
Now is was at 530MHz FSB 1:1 with my Mushkin 2x2GB Black 1066MHz
I think i have a FSB Wall and i will ask you what BIOS i should have to try? The Last in your Post Today 1402 or the 703m 3 Days ago?
It was in both BIOS the CPU Margin E. at disabled or only in the 703m?
Board was a P5Q-E
Nope I use AMIBCP and MMTOOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Well now thats not very good is it :p: When experiencing odd issues resetting the CMOS by removing power, batter and setting jumper to "clear" is always the first thing to try. I've lost count of the amount of times various system of mine hasn't POST after a BIOS update and I've had to remove power, battery and set jumper to "clear". Sometimes pretty big changes are made in a BIOS rev. and a CMOS clear is just necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee
I never needed to do it! Maybe I'll try doing that next time, but whatever BIOS I've flashed to, it's always just worked fine without any fuss.
Bah, remove battery... I wouldn't mind if the video card wasn't in the way lol.
Uhh.. not good 2x remove battery and cmos lear AND still not working! :(
I am really afraid now, posting from laptop
Should i keep repreating this?
Same story here , did clearmos before and after the update. Something is very wrong with this bios. Please Ket remove it , before someone screws up his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee
I haven't had problems at all with 1402m Bios...
Maybe the problem occurs only with p5q-e ?
I noticed that when i restarted after flashing , the fsb was at 800. I changed it to 400 (with 9 multiplier) , changed the ram to 1066 , 5-5-5-15 , finetuned some other settings (which always worked fine with other bios) , but when i resterted it prompted me to preess F1 and all the settings were back at default (even the settings for ide/raid).
That was strange because with all the other bios , when restarting from a bad o/c , the only things that were restored at default were only the cpu / ram options.
Stupid Question is this just a bundle of previously released M Bios from you or are they a R2 further tweaking of the earlier mods? in other words is the 1403m i got the other day the same as the one in this pack?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Thanks as always.
I started investigating why the P5Q-E mBIOS was so flaky by using the P5Q Pro version on my board, I started with just a couple name changes and went with that, then POW, no POST. So I'd say its pretty safe to say these AMI BIOS files don't like having things renamed, regardless of how harmless renaming an item is. That said though my board was acting up very slightly by taking ages to POST before the flash. All the usual has been done, full CMOS reset, swapped RAM with various other kits etc, nada. So to be on the safe side I'm yanking the last set of mBIOSes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee
Their further modified, but theres some very weird issues, so DONT use those files.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vektor67
Any ideas what to do if i cant get my computer work, after i flashed to these new bioses my computer screen is just black and graphic gards fan spin like crazy. :(
Should i contact straight to asus or what ? :((
I'm very wory that my P5Q-PRO is dead :shrug: I know, Ket that all mbios are not guaranted 100% to work to every P5Q-PRO MB. ]
Yesterday i had m1307 and I had flah to m901 to see if there any improvement whitout CPU ENHACEMENT. I flash the bios with ASUS EZ FHASH from an USB as usualy. Everithing fine with operation, but after restart no post(usually), power off/ power on(usually boot normally) but this time no post, nothing. I must say that i've tryed almost all mbioses and neither one didn't do me problems like this 901. 1004, 1104, 1306, 1307, 703.
Next what i did:
remove the power source/push the power buton on to discarge/remove bios battery/set clear cmos/ wait a minute/put the bathery back/cmos normally/ power on but no post, nothing.
I've tryed this more three times, no post:shrug:, i've remove the cpu, memory,VGA nothing. What should i'll do ?:confused:
I've not do right the cmos reset ? What could be wrong ?
I need some help please !!!:(
Sorry folks something is indeed up with the files I flashed the Pro version to my board based on Dees results to troubleshoot the issue and you guessed it.. no POST. I've submitted an RMA with the place I bought it from. In my case perhaps its not a bad thing though, occasionally I was getting the CPU fan error message pop up on POST, so looks like the CPU fan sensor was starting to go out already :eek:
We have learned something though, the massive epic fail of the supposed "crashfree BIOS 3" procedures. I started in baby steps to find what was causing the issues Dee was having so the first thing I did was keep everything as-is and just rename a few things. A very minor adjustment, which means the boot block was completely unchanged. So to not even get the BB coming up after the flash.. well thats not something I did its something asus did wrong. :shakes: for asus, and :( from me to all those who suffered the same fate as I have.
So, the only solution is the service ?:confused:
crashfree BIOS 3" procedures- from what i know bios on P5Q-PRO is dual bios, this don't mean that an bios remain unchanged even when flashing to a new bios ? Or, i'm getting this wrong ?
The only problem(i wonder if it) is that i mounted a fan on NB heatsink and i left two marks into the lamels, from the screw. There are not vizible imediately, but on service it might be vizible, and they can say "i applied a force on NB chipset" because i have done something on NB heatsink"
and i'm wory to not lose the garancy !!!
Anyway next week i would go to service.
One more time Ket, i know that it's not your fault it's Asus stupids fault.
All mbioses except this 901 worked without even a clear cmos.:up:
Have you guys switched to your backup chips? The chip you flashed might be screwed but, the other should still be fine..
i Will try when i imagine wich is the main chip
WOAH HIGHROLLER you saved my day, i was :( whole day on job when i thinked about RMAING my board! SO IT WORKS AGAIN !!!! :D
I CHANGED TO BACKUP BIOS CHIP AND WORKS 100% NOW.
XDAN! I got just samekind of problem that you have, but well now it works :)
I got itty bitty feeling about staying on unmodded bioses now, No hard feelings ket!
I wasn't able to POST also with the pre-CPU M-E bios on my P5Q PRO. And this is 99% because of memory support. I had to switch to some other RAM to POST and reflash the BIOS back to 1307 so i can use my OCZ memory..
Just use one of his other ones they are better then the Asus ones. He just slipped on this one no biggie. You can get new BIOS chips sent to you for twenty bones up front then send the bad / switched ones back and get that money back FYI. I have done it with this board. :up: :welcome:
You guys can just order a new BIOS chip from asus, plug it in place of the broken one, and you'll be where you were at before the bad flash. The other mod BIOSES are fine, it was just the renaming of things that caused the problems.
And how do i do this guys?Quote:
WOAH HIGHROLLER you saved my day, i was whole day on job when i thinked about RMAING my board! SO IT WORKS AGAIN !!!!
I CHANGED TO BACKUP BIOS CHIP AND WORKS 100% NOW.Have you guys switched to your backup chips? The chip you flashed might be screwed but, the other should still be fine..
Horry if i'm not understanding but I'm not so good at "tech" part.
I mean , i can install all hardware components, but i don't no anytihing about what you say. Please , help me and explain !:yepp:
Okey ill try explain it as simple that i can !
Hmm first of all you need to know where those little bastards are!
On my P5Q-E motherboard is reset and power switch on the board (so i belive that pro version got it too ?!). These little fellas are near of them! two little black boxes that you can pull out by using your fingers.
Then you need just exhange those boxes positions like: 1-2(default) -> 2-1(after you have done this trick) Simple!
There's a backup BIOS chip built in?
Yes. It is another whole seperate chip. You pull out the bad one stick in the backup one and vuala, problem solved. You don't have to leave the bad one in either you can run with just the good one still standing in by itself it won't hurt anything.
By reset and power switch you mean the sistem panel header?, or you have power and reset butons on P5Q-E. It might help a picture because in the area are plenty of little boxes:up:
I wish my P5Q Pro had a backup BIOS chip :fight: On the plus side sending the board back to the etailer means I'll get a P5Q Pro with the new rev. NB, which should mean the board won't fail to POST when NB voltage is ste to 1.7v or above. With any luck the dividers when using the 400 strap will work properly on the new rev. board as well :D
Yeah mine won't post or acts funny when above 1.4v.... It might not be seated well "the heatsink on it". I haven't botheed looking yet.
So from what i understand it's hoppless with P5Q-PRO, i don't have backup bios ?
Do you mean the A3 revision as opposed to the A2 or something else? Here's hoping your new board is better than the old problematic one. Killing it was probably a blessing in disguise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Yep I'm hoping for an A3, perhaps even an A4 if asus have made further revisions. I know killing my board was a blessing in disguise. I have concluded the following issues on the A2 rev. are probably not BIOS related;
- 400 strap not working with any memory frequency set apart from auto
- absolutely :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: PCI-E OCing. (102MHz = KO)
- LAN dodgyness (so I hear)
- 1.7v+ NB no POST issue
on top of that;
- CPU fan sensor appears to of started going a bit iffy
- with 901 BIOS I was testing it started taking ages to pass the first POST screen, like it was having a bit of trouble detecting my SATA HDD :\
Seriously considering hitting the DFI P45 board up, can grab it for about £95 and it seems like a lot of issues it was having are resolved.
So what about my question, the answer is yes, no ?:confused:Quote:
So from what i understand it's hoppless with P5Q-PRO, i don't have backup bios ?
Also my opinion that this MB P5Q-PRO it's a crap at it's money:yepp:, a few 30-35E moore and i've could bought an TPOWER IP45 , but two monts ago i didn't found it in Romania, it appeared only two weeks ago. Unfortunately the shop where i bought the Asus doesn't deal with Biostars, so i can't do directly an upgrade.:mad:
And also two month ago i didn't know that TPOWER IP45 is such a good motheboard. :yepp:
http://www.rahulsjohari.com/Repository/protest.jpg
I hope that Asus see this.
Ket:
I'm flashe "p5q 1307m.rom" from archive "P5Q mBIOSes v2.rar" for my P5Q mobo, but the board has ceased to function.
Clear CMOS and removing battery for some time not return functionality! :D
Helped only reflasing contents chips on a stationary programmer.
Backup BIOS was one of the main reasons I chose the P5Q-E. Too many problems with past boards, now I will never penny pinch again when it comes to motherboards!
I have never done any penny pinching. I picked the P5Q Pro up as on paper its an awsome board, just doesn't quite carry through in practicality unfortunately. Of course, a majority of the issues the P5Q Pro has could be down to the P45 not particularly being geared for 65nm CPUs, just 45nm. I'll be picking a EEPROM programmer up soon anyway, real handy bit of kit to be able to just whack it in a USB port and program a ROM chip with any BIOS you need.
Come again? Not quite sure I fully understand what your trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuSS
Not saying you did bro. Just speaking for myself. I'm happy to pay a little more for certain features, especially ones that save your ass when the BIOS gets KO'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Yup. Last night while I was OCing the BIOS got fubared and my p5q-e just booted EZ Flash in recovery mode, flashed the stock 0610 BIOS and I was ready to go. Way better than the dual BIOS stuff Gigabyte has on my old 7NNXP.
This feature with dual bios chip is named "DIEHARD BIOS"
Dee, it isn't all about the money :yepp:. This feature is only from what i verffied built on P5Q-E, P5Q-DELUXE and P5Q3-DELUXE.Quote:
DieHard BIOS
BIOS Never Die
The ASUS Diehard BIOS consists of two BIOS chips, a main BIOS and a backup BIOS. The ASUS Diehard BIOS can restore corrupted main BIOS data from the backup BIOS automatically. The technology saves users the hassle of recovering the BIOS file or buying a replacement BIOS chip.
The more expensive models like P5Q-PREMIUM, P5Q-WS, MAXIMUS II FORMULA(i check only for P45) don't even have this, even though that there are worth much moore money. This it's all ASUS's fool ideea. In my opinion this feature "DIE HARD" shouhld have been applied to P45 series from P5Q-PRO to the top MAXIMUS II FORMULA not to a few models "here" and "there".
P5Q-PRO is not a cheap MB at least to it's price. :down:
The conclusion it's that Asus are stupids, fools company.:down:
Never said you were ;) Just saying I don't penny pinch on mainboards. Its the soul of the system after all. Much easier to upgrade the CPU, memory etc when needed than it is a mobo. I'll be ordering a EEPROM\DIL etc programmer in a few mins anyway. Be able to revive my AW9D-Max with the programmer so shes good to go :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dee
Ket, this is a software, or something hardware?Quote:
I'll be ordering a EEPROM\DIL etc programmer
Asus even went one better on The Rampage Extreme. Jumpers to manually set which of two bios's to boot from.Quote:
Originally Posted by xdan
If your talking about the BIOS of a mainboard, thats software. BIOS = Basic Input Output System.Quote:
Originally Posted by xdan
Yes, but what price has Rampage... hmmm. 3X P5Q-PRO and 2.5X P5Q-E
:up:
Rampage is even chasee very closely by Biostar TPOWER which is half and a little more cheap than Rampage Extreme.
So, don't praise Asus anymore.:up:
I asqued about this EEPROM\DIL etc programmer you talked about .Quote:
f your talking about the BIOS of a mainboard, thats software. BIOS = Basic Input Output System.
So, can i boot pass 1150Mhz with mBios for P5Q-e or not.I love my board.
And if i read enough i can normaly flash back to asus rev. bios, right?
Ow, i need to tell you Ket...You're awesome :)
The EEPROM\DIL etc programmer is software and hardware. LinkyQuote:
Originally Posted by xdan
How far your memory can be pushed is not entirely BIOS dependent. All I can say is from my experiences with mBIOS 703 (704 for you) I had the greatest results for memory clocking, able to POST at 1300MHz. My ICs are Micron D9 GKX though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukeatluka
Can you give me a link to download side.Sry to be lazy :(
Can i flash then back to 1306 original asus bios?
Thanks in advance!
See first page, and yes.
I figured out my issue - having the Mem OC Charger, DRAM Static Read Control & DRAM Read Training set to Auto = flaky as all hell - set to DISABLED on the P5Q-Deluxe!
I might have to try that.. I like 703m on my P5Q Pro but I also like using the most updated BIOS possible... of course I'm willing to sideline that pet peev in order to get the best OC possible :p:
I booted at 1166 now, but i think this is not my maximum.I didn't test stability, just hit fsb, 5:8 and 2.2V on 5-5-5-18.On more than 1166 didn't boot.Like it didn't on 1306 asus higher than 1148 :(
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Originally Posted by Ket
ALL P5Q series boards huh? but not the P5Q3 DLX that you keep shunning away from.
not being mean here but i know of several people that have made the request for the p5q3 bios to be modded. it would be great to see it happen.
1166 is not anything to sniff at. Without knowing whay memory you have its tough to give a ballpark max. OC, but it sounds like you have average kind of memory, and its doing very, very well all things considered :toast:
I don't shun away from it, I just can't be bothered to mod BIOS code for that as well. Besides, people know when I say for all P5Q series boards I mean DDR2 versions. If the archive was for DDR3 versions it would say for all P5Q3 series :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by fitseries3
I have Teamgroup pc 6400 extreem dark cl4 x2GB kit.I know it's awesome to have 2x2GB on 1166, but i think this is not all they can do.
Depends on the voltage. If your at 2.2v I doublt higher voltages will yeild results much better than that.
OK, a little misunderstanding. I still love you Ket. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Ket,
i have a quick qeustion for you :)
I own a P5Q deluxe and having problems whit the normal bios'es. Like i cannot change anything because i always have to clear cmos. It won't boot after changing like a voltage,fsb..
Sow i was hoping that a bios of you could help me out. but are they 100% safe? like i don't want to kill my mobo :D
They are safe except for the latest ones, which I believe he took down.
ah good to hear :)
this is going to be a litle job for next week i think :-)
Ket, I get the "CPU Fan Error" message all the time using BIOS 1402. My CPU fan is on PWM mode and Q-Fan is enabled in BIOS (set to Turbo). Do you think it's something to do with a flaky CPU fan sensor or something else? It only seems to happen with certain BIOS and with Q-Fan enabled. If I flashed back to 1306 the problem would probably disappear. Only thing is now I'm getting tired of all the BIOS flashing, I don't think it's healthy to keep doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
I had the CPU Fan Error coming up from time to time with Q-Fan disabled, so I think its an iffy fan sensor.
lol, guilty :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
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Originally Posted by xdan
The Maximus II Formula has 2 removable bios chips, and also has the jumper which allows you to choose which chip to boot from. It's a nice feature. They just call it Bios flashback rather than diehard bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pntgrd
Whew! Thanks, for once I'm glad that I missed one of your revisions as up until now I've faithfully flashed each since 1306m, 1402m was great for me and 1403m was even better. I wasn't following the thread as closely as I could and I was wondering what you guys were talking about regarding the renaming issue as I was 99.9% certain all my sections still retained the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Ket
names. I get it now. It's a good feeling having the backup bios on this board
I feel fairly safe flashing with impunity. I look forward to the next update. Thanks for all of your good works.:up: Lord knows were I relying on Asus I'd still be unable to use the built in flashing utility with my NTFS partitions being stuck on 1306.:down:
I wish asus would hurry the hell up and get a 1403 out for the P5Q Pro, its not a tough thing to do. If I knew what asus were doing in those 14xx revs. I would make the changes myself. Kinda crazy to think that lil me all by myself has released more BIOS revisions than asus themselves have, and their better than what asus can do to boot :D
My fan sensor was bad on my last P5Q Deluxe that I sent back. This one seems to be a good one for sensors. The engineer said that we need to set the margin enhancement option to performance for our 9450s but, he is still getting issues at the same time so,, not to stable IMO. I could have sworn that I set mine to that and I still had the issue. Maybe not , maybe I'm getting old and forgeting things. :shrug:
I doubt that m8 ;) engineers have an uncanny ability to spout utter BS.
True,, not matter what he says works he still said that he was still getting issues with it set to performance, with seeing hard drive in Windows and shut down issues so.. Apparently someone, not saying who was working on a bios version with the option taken out yesterday. I'm still possitive we will see the option removed if they can't get it to play nice.
I haven't noticed a difference with or without cpu margin enhancement on my q9450. And to be honest my OC is basically the same with 0704 and 1402. The biggest difference is 0704 only reads fat32 and 1402 reads ntfs as well, but misses my usb stick so one BIOS only reads flash memory and the other only reads my disk. heh.
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I disable those too, except for the OC charger which really helps my p5q-e push my mushkin ascents further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Yeah I'm glad the english speaking techs at asus at least are listening. If anything I would say that English>Taiwan language barrier is the biggest holdup :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
True and at the guy that is fine right now, just give it time you will have the issue once it burns your stuff out. Mine was fine to for awhile and other people were fine for awhile as well that are now in same boat as me.
I'll back that up, my system with my E4400 started to act a bit iffy so I rolled back. CPU M-E effects any C2D\Q it seems.
So the 703m BIOS is buggy and causes your board to die? What about 901m? Is 1306m the best one? I currently have the Asus 1306 on my board, but I'm gonna flash it to 1307m assuming the 703m and 901m BIOS are flawed.
I'm not 100% certain my fan sensors are working correctly, how did you determine your sensor was bad? what made you notice? the RPM's ?Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller