Lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by /\/eutro
I think ive officially given up. Tried every voltage option and many RAM options with no success.
No matter what i do, i cant get 3d stable, ill just have to wait for a new BIOS that works.
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Lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by /\/eutro
I think ive officially given up. Tried every voltage option and many RAM options with no success.
No matter what i do, i cant get 3d stable, ill just have to wait for a new BIOS that works.
today released 0701, now after some hours 0702 ... what about that BIOSes? PMP where are you, we need info about it ...
I flashed to 0702 just minutes ago. Was able to use EZFlash utility with this bios - Unlike 0701. :rolleyes:
Thanks bench for keeping us in the loop with bios releases.
I just tried to flash to the 702 bios to no avail it says ID Rom is different when I tried to use EZ Flash so I need AWDFlash is that correct??
Yes, you need to use AWDflash Guacomole.
Jumping from a version to another via EZ-Flash is a 50-50 procedure. It all depends on which version you are running and which one you're trying to flash.
AWDflash is the tool to use for any version :D
Okay I just flashed via AWDFlash and it worked perfectly thanks..
sweet dude! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by /\/eutro
So you used the AM2 bracket? cause 775 thing wouldnt fit... and I think AM2 bracket is pretty big and doesnt fit on the board holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by /\/eutro
@Saaya thanks mate :)
I have an idea about why you are not 3D Stable, i had the same issue with my 9800 GTX SLI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coupa
Give me a PM with your msn adress so i can give you some advices about it :)
For the IFX I just followed regular 775 installation and it went perfectly well, i don't understand why you find that strange :cow:
Also as this topic is about corruption issues please give me a PM if you need more informations about this as i don't want to go away from the main topic.
Okay I have no corruption on 702 SWEET!! I am 1800FSB on my quad and no issues...
Guys when you're reporting your stable settings, make sure you include the Memory Mode ( Linked with divider, Linked-Synch, Unlinked and which frequency ).
We need to find out if it's a divider issue.
Did you have your fingers crossed when typing? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacomole
hehe, exactly ... but after day 0702 seems ok ... but will see in few daysQuote:
Originally Posted by GAR
i flashed to 0702 bios last night i have a striker II and before with all the other bioses i would end up corrupting my windows partitions when attempting any type of overclock i tried various settings previously and none made any difference but the same setting i used before 1800QDR linked & synced appears to be working great now with this new bios i havent ran prime95 yet as im still working on the voltages and lowering the temps since my air cooler is a crappy one but the system seems to be 3dmark stable and my pc has been running overnight without any lockups or bsods. about to head to work now so ill try and do some testing later tonight. hopefully this bios is the answer we've all been waiting for.
here are the settings i am using
QDR 1800
RAM 1800 (sync mode) 1:2
cpu settings disabled all cores enabled
spread spectrums disabled
Jmicron Controller disabled
Vcore 1.35000v
LLC Enabled
VTT 1.28v
Ram 1.86v (1.90v real)
NB 1.46v
SB 1.55v
Rest on Auto
Yes I did..Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
I have found an interesting issue. I have two OC systems, Vista Ultimate 64 is installed on 2xRaptor 150 in RAID 0, XP is installed on Seagate 500Gb HDD. With exactly the same settings in hardware Vista is unstable (can't pass Prime95 and Everest stability test), and XP is rock stable. I have no corrupted files in Vista, checked the HDD several times. The failures are relative to CPU, and I can get it to work stable only at sock settings or close to them, if I overclock, I have random errors. Windows memory test works fine, those failures happen only with heavy CPU load or -randomly - in games.
Temp on CPU are not an issue - it is watercooled and during the heavy tests temp is not going up above 60C.
Also errors happened with pretty low CPU frequency, like at 3.6GHz, and I had been able to run XP with an air cooler at 4.14GHz having no problems.
It seems that something doesn't work correctly in Vista - either a part of OC, some drivers or ... ?
I think I have always had that experience that I can be rock solid on XP and unstable on Vista.. The reality for me is that Vista is much more memory and bandwith oriented operating system that stresses your hardware with average use, much harder than XP.. I usually had to up my CPU voltage and NB to get the same settings stable on Vista. Actually always, now I just use vista and I know for certain if I am stable on Vista then I am stable on XP...Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
EDIT: I see how you installed it. I was doing it the other way, horizontal bases and vertical retention mechanism. Dam if I had just noticed that lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by /\/eutro
But, changing from Ultra120 Xtreme to IFX-14, would it make a big difference? It would take me some time to change this and since the Ultra 120 has 2 extra pipes I wouldnt like to change and see no improvement.
Have you tried moving a file to another HDD? What about using sfc /scannow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacomole
could it be fsb related?Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
can you run the same cpu speed under vista with a lower fsb and higher multi maybe? or same fsb and lower multi to make sure its not the fsb but really the cpu?
what kind of errors do you get in vista?
any final word on 0702? Does it fix corruption issue? Still thinking about getting 790i Ultra board, but need to be at least 75% sure I wont get corruption issues before I will get one...
thx
so far two people reported that 0702 works good for them iirc
I think the fact that this thread got really quiet shortly after the release of 702 speaks volumes :D
But isn't the 702 only for SIIE? What about people with reference boards?
I think the MAJORITY of issues have been felt by us poor saps who were suckered in by ASUS... :(
does this means that EVGA/XFX is a best buy?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofander
for what its worth, I started with the evga and moved to the striker... They both have their pros and cons. I think with the new bios, the striker is less of a bad buy ;)
I would stick with the eVGA/XFX reference boards for now.
Your probably right GAR although like sonofander mentions, once the BIOS gets sorted this should be a serious board (fingers crossed)! With that said however I'm one the few people who hasn't really had a single issue yet (except for the steep learning curve), lol! Then again I bought my board used from a guy I trust and he had decent results with it and no major issues?
FYI guys ... something to think about ... I have no clue if this issue has anything to do with corruption though ...
My 790i Ultra SLI behaves like it is an analog thing, not a digital. Everything is kinda random, today it is stable, tomorrow it fails the first test run being cold or fails after 5 hours run - as it wishes.
What is important - I can confirm my subjective opinion with objective test results ... they look pretty strange for me and may be a cause of instability issues.
http://www.audio-measurements.com/gm...st-strange.png
Please take a look. I had been running Everest Ultimate test as normally, everything was fine and the temps with 100% 4 cores load were around 56-57C. I have decided to stop the test. Normally my temps after it go down to 42-43C, but in this situation they went UP to 65C ... I can guess that it was some kind of Everest Lavalys problem or a parasite oscillation on the CPU. Regarding Everest - it is quite doubtful, such as I have problems with Prime95 failures as well. Then I started full 100% load test again and my temps went DOWN from 65C back to normal 57C under load. I have stopped the test again - temps went up again ... but after some time they went down as it should be - to normal 42C ...
The next test start gave me the normal behavior of the board - up to 57C under load and back to 42C idle without any TEMP UP issue ...
This oscillation - or whatever loads my CPU cores - happens randomly, my guess is that it is a reason of instability, but it is only a guess.
Unfortunetly I've never run this stress test from Everest (although I just bought an Ultimate license finally) so I might give it a go! With that said I'm not exactly sure what the problem is but I don't think its instability to be honest. It sounds like some bit of software is loading up the CPU cycles (either Everest of something else)? From the graphs it doesn't look like your CPU is throttling and besides your CPU all the temps look pretty consistant? Of course this is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt but I can't imagine system instability is causing your CPU load to randomally change like this?
Sorry I was away for a day but yes I am trying a large file transfer right now and sfc/scannow is clear I posted my results in the 790i thread but I'll have to get back to you about the file transfer...Quote:
Originally Posted by slim142
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger_D25
No, it doesn't. First all my software was off to run a test (and it is normal), second - look at the throttle graph ... it shows 100% CPU loading while the test was actually switched off!
What can it be, if the temps went UP? Something worse (more loading) than 100% stress test? What kind of program can do that?
All other temps are pretty consistent during the test, that is normal.
Yeah man I am looking at that graph and listening to what you are saying and that is really weird.. I don't understand how the instability would randomly overload your processor, I mean it seems like something has to tell the processor to run (operating system, drivers, programs, etc..) Maybe there is something worng with the bus drivers, Nvidia drivers have been known to freak out a little have you tried uninstalling everything and trying it again?? That is very odd another question is does Prime do the same thing?? I mean after you stop it does it overload the processor and such?? Have you considered running multiple stress tests to try and isolate the incident like OCCT, Orthos, Prime, Nvidia Stress test etc.??Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Here guys I posted a link to some unfortunate results that I posted on the 790i thread but basically with P1 enabled and good memory performance at 1800FSB I get corruption on 702, Exact same settings with P1 disabled poor memory performance but no corrutpion...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...34#post2992834
OK, when the circuit is unstable, it can start to oscillate by itself. The analogy is like you are a singer and have a mic in your hand, you direct it to the speaker, the system starts to scream - it is an example of positive feedback and a parasitic oscillation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacomole
Such things should not happen in the digital world, as there are no analog amplifiers in it ... but when the digital circuit is unstable, it can behave as analog circuit - see the picture below:
http://www.thetechrepository.com/att...1&d=1169236522
Those oscillations around VTT as shown on that picture can become to be non-fading ... at some frequencies with some conditions, as I guess.
I had to run plenty of tests, but it is not easy to define the problem, such as those tests randomly fail ... how can you catch the moment of beginning of oscillation, for example? You need some specific equipment to do it, such as high frequency oscilloscope ... and where to find one working at 2GHz FSB? I was lucky to have that weird test result, no one digital tech will explain it to you ... logically I mean.
It is a known issue, that is why P1 and P2 were disabled in P03 BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacomole
And performance are really bad with that bios...Quote:
Originally Posted by gmcg
Personnaly i kept the P03R2 bios and i'm really happy with it ( P1 and P2 enabled)
Exactly ... though I personally like P04 a bit more than P03R2, the last one can cause that corruption easily ... but you can get better results AFAIK with P03R2 using it correctly. And to use it correctly someone needs either to be lucky or know a lot about GTLVREF or be extremely patient in experiments, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinto
ASUS has posted new BIOS: 0703.
It can be downloaded from ASUS FTP server:
/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Striker_II_Extreme/StrikerIIExtreme0703.zip
There is no info about what is in new BIOS.
What a guy Gcardinal, thank you very much!
New bios is working awesome for the Striker P1 enabled rock solid performance accross the board. 703 No corruption as far as I can tell..
Great news, I was going to flash to it this-evning but decided to test some new watercooling equiptment instead. With that said however I'm flashing over first thing in the morning! Thanks for sharing Guacomole!
what fsb and mem speed and timings are you running?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacomole
I am runnning:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
FSB/Mem linked and synced
FSB/Mem = 1770
Multiplier = 9.5 (4.204)
Vcore = 1.4275 (water)
Memory = 1.92
PLL = Auto
VTT = 1.26
SPP = 1.46
MCP = 1.55
GTL's = -36, -40, Auto, Auto
P1 enabled, P2 enabled
Attachment 79002
I enabled P2 yesterday and it had no effect on my system for the record. These settings have yielded 5 hours prime stable, sfc/scannow safe, 3DM06 looped for about 2 hours.. I have to say though at times things are still sketchy we need still a better bios, this one (703) is way better but we still are not there yet..
BIOS 0703 sounds kinda good, im still testing 0701
NVIDIA (through the reference board partners) will be releasing the P05 BIOS tomorrow to address data corruption problems on the EVGA/XFX boards. ASUS has another BIOS after 0703, but that one should be fine now if our information is correct about it.
And your source is...?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
And how do we know 0703 "somewhat" fixes corruption when the changelog doesnt mention it?
Great questions slim142! I don't mean to second guess your post bingo13 but with so many people having corruption issues this is big news and until reading your post I had not heard anything about new BIOS helping with corruption issues? In anycase thanks for putting it out there!
Okay so what I have to say is (through extensive research) 703 does not "FIX" the corruption issue entirley it reduces the size of the window where corruption occurs.. I still get corruption under certain GTL, SPP combinations regardless.. It is still a work in progress so we are not there yet with 703 but big improvement over the previous bios's.. Anyway, I hope the ref. board bios helps their issues with corruption but I imagine there will still be underlying issues....Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
awesome! hopefully your source is correct..Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
I have only ever had corruption using 1T memory settings, no problems with 2T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacomole
is it safe to get an x48 board from asus after all the crap I have been having recently with the asus Striker II Extreme ?
As I too am going to sell this and move on to a non sli after all i currently have 2 x 8800 ultra for sli and I thought if i go for a x48 chipset and get myself the top gx2 card and then sell my 2 880 ultra off ? Is this a good decision? I would laso have to sell my ddr3 memory and get good old ddr2 memory but then what ddr2 memory is the best to get?
you should wait for this http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3343
The rampage x48 is a good board.
Well I am using a XFX 790i Ultra with E8400 and A-DATA DDR3 1600. The memory will do 1800Mhz CL7 at 2V and the CPU works perfectly fine on good air at 4.05 GHz (450 MHz).
When using the P04 BIOS from XFX, the board runs fine at 400 MHz (3.6 ghz), stable. I can easily boot at 450 MHz and I know the memory works flawlessly at this speed (benched on P5K3 Deluxe). But I won't be able to format the HDD for Windows Install at this speed, and after installing windows at 400 MHz FSB and then raising it back to 450, I get corruption after boot. The shipping bios of the board was riddled with bugs. Even very noticable ones (tried setting CL7-7-7 in the bios always ended up with CL8-7-7 for example) those seem fixed by P04. Oh and setting 1T or 2T does not change anything in my case.
I will try to tweak the settings as mentioned. I was aiming for those 4+ Ghz on air...
cheers
DS
hey, arent you that other guy from techpowerup? :D
welcome to XtremeSystems vahid! :lol: :toast:
vtt and gtl tweaking seems to be vital, check the first post in this thread in case you havent already, theres some useful info in there :)
what cpu are you using? an 8400?
Agreed, as I said ASUS has another BIOS update coming that should cure about 98% of the data corruption problems, the 0703 was the first step (mainly from an Auto setting viewpoint). I have been up all night with P05 and so far, so good although specific BIOS settings will still do it, but I have the same problem on the P45 boards right now also. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Guacomole
The underlying issues go back to the GTLRef/VTT tables not being correct, which besides giving us data corruption problems, also introduced various system instabilities across the board, especially with Auto settings. These have been tamed somewhat with the latest BIOS code, but there is still work to be done. :up:
Great point Saaya about GTL's being somewhat vital (to any of the 790i chipsets)! Although I've been able to put it off so far now that I'm testing at 4050Mhz I'm finding GTL tuning is needed for stability (especially because I'm not interested in just cranking up the VCORE and VTT)! I'm sorry if you have already posted this somewhere in the thread but have you been testing any of the 790i chipsets along with a quad lately? If so do you remember where abouts GTL tuning became important? Thanks for your help
sorry bro, i actually never received a 790 board from evga, waiting for it until today :D
but thats ok, i dont think id have wanted to play with it after all the things ive read here.
im just beeing a smart parrot here and summing up and combining what everybody else posted about their 790 experiences :D
I understand, given your experience and know-how you can post what you want! With that said do you plan on thoroughly testing the eVGA if it ever arrives? If so what hardware will you run on it?
No details, but to quote EVGATech_JacobF
RLMQuote:
New BIOS will be going up today.
A bit off topic but I must say that I've had nothing but positive experiences with eVGA and in particular Jacob Freeman (amazing support)! If as bingo says this new BIOS might help with overall data corruption I hope that Asus is soon to follow with comparible BIOS release!
the bin and exe P05 bios's are already there
ftp://ftp.evga.com/bios/NF79_P05.exe
ftp://ftp.evga.com/bios/NF79_P05.bin
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=374007
Wow you guys are fast :)
Does P05 BIOS include NVIDIA's updated NVMM 4.082.28?Quote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
Till now my new Zotac 790i-Supreme never have any kind of problem:
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...1815_96582.jpg
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...eenShot001.jpg
Nice, so this IS the BIOS everybody was waiting for since the changelog clearly states this solves the isolated problems from corruption. Cmon ASUS! You were always first... Im waiting for 801! :P
Flashing to P05 right now.
Hope this solves some of my issues.
What method do people use to update their bios?
Off topic but is there a Vcore mod for the ref. board yet, I mean 1 that works all the time??
I've also loaded the P05 and plan to do some tests. The only issues I have had is the occasional hard lock during high overclock bench runs and games. Member at the EVGA forum apparently had similar issues and the P05 fixed it.
No corruption issues for me on EVGA 790i 475x8 with q6600 I even managed to boot into windows at 4ghz (8x500) had stability problems but no corruption.
That is a good start for sure guys!
FuriousSalesman - What board do you have (as it makes a difference in how you should flash it)?
I have a 790i too. I tried the alternative method because I didn't have floppy or a cd writer. I got bios corruption and I have always used used windows based bios updates in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger_D25
I meant to ask what vendor of motherboard do you have (reference design or Striker II Extreme)? With that said it sounds like you have the S2E, if so I'd just stick with using the Windows based "Asus Updater" software (depending on what BIOS you currenlty have because if you have a very old version you need to use a different method)? Now besides using the Asus Updater in Windows do you happen to have a thumb/USB drive? You could just put the BIOS file on that and then use the "EZ Flash" program through BIOS to update the BIOS file. I'm sorry if you have already posted what board your using (its quite late here and I'm tooo tired to go searching through earlier pages of the thread)!
Actually reference
Ah I see, well I won't be much help there since I haven't had a reference design since my old eVGA 680i? I do however remember that I always flashed using a floppy (which unfortunately doesn't help you much), sorry Furious!
I appreciate the help anyways. :up:
Floppy for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
So far, the system 'feels' much more stable today with the P05.
of course XFX does not have the new P05 BIOS available yet (at least not on their UK site).
I have read many times, that some are thinking of flashing the EVGA BIOS unto the XFX board...can anyone confirm that this will work?
cheers
DS
Hi guys , I am looking for the next step beyond my RF but these issues have me concerned , do the xfx have a better success rate than EVGA ? Have they corrected any of these issues ? Should I avoid these and get something else (P45) ? What will be next for nvidia ? Is the next step after 790i too far off ?
:up:
is there even going to be an "after 790i"? the move to nahelm is upon us and seeing how well Nvidia and Intel are getting along right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Intel hold out on R&D neccisary for Nvidia to put together Intel based mobos
i dont think i can post what i want! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Roger_D25
and sure, if i ever get the 790 board i will test it :)
But i dont think thatll happen :D
No big deal tho, benchzowner went ahead and actually bought the asus board and did a great job testing and debugging it :)
yepp, you just need the right flash tool, not sure which one tho :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Darksaber
used the one on the EVGA CD Image, which you can download in their forums. The image includes the P05 Bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Currently running at 4.05 Ghz and 1800 MHz mem ^^ no problems so far in the first few minutes ^^.
that is what I was aiming for, so I am happy.
790I FTW with bios load line calibration and other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofander
790i FSB overclocking and memory timing
Question to nVidia help
Answer
NVIDIA was made aware of a possible corruption issue reported by Anandtech. NVIDIA has determined corruption was possible in isolated non-stock FSB/DDR3 frequencies under certain conditions near 1600 MHz. A BIOS has been released on May 21st that corrects the issue. Users can obtain the BIOS directly from their board vendor.
link
Yeah so that means ASUSs new BIOs should be out today or tomorrow at lastest?
I donīt know this, but i hope...Quote:
Originally Posted by slim142
Well according to Bingo we should... but I havent heard anything. Last time I talked to pmp he was out of town so I dont know how long ASUS plans to take to release this new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaquille
i really really dont like that FAQ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaquille
it sounds like only anandtech had this problem, and it sounds like it only happens if you try really strange fsb/dram combinations that dont really make sense to run... and they say 1600 is out of spec? but at the same time they advertize 790 as ddr3 2000 capable? :mad:
and they say a bios was released that fixed the problem.
thats not true... they make it sound like the issue was fixed a long time ago, when its still happening! the situation has improved, but the problem is not solved! :mad:
I've used WinFlash, but the best way is with a bootable CD-Rom or with a USB key.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
I'm using awdflash and a USB key. Easy.
Edit: A bit sketchy, but I believe I used this tool HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool to setup my key.
I'd still like to know what's actually been changed in P05 from P04. After a months wait it's a bit of an anti-climax.
RLM
I completely agree, no fix that I know of! If there was a BIOS fix that truly took care of this corruption issue there would be loads of cheers throughout the forums!Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I am not sure if I understand 100%? Does the PO5 bios not fix the corruption issue? Or is the problem that EVGA is the only company that has a bios that officially fixes the issue while XFX and Asus Striker don't have one yet?
XFX & eVGA share the same BIOS with every reference board.
It's just 1, 2 changes for them to "integrate" the "fix".
Asus has got to "make their own" BIOS because they're not using the reference design.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger_D25
So wait, are you guys saying that even with P05 people still getting corruption problems?Quote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
Is people formatting their drives and doing a fresh installation of everything after they install P05? Because as we all know, corruption might have left some trace in their HDDs causing them to corrupt even with P05.
I was refering to how the latest BIOS releases doesn't exaclty cure all these corruption issues despite their claims. I was probably a bit harsh in my post because Nvidia only claimed that "possible isolated non-stock cases of FSB/DDR3 corruption near or at 1600Mhz was fixed", they didn't say that all corruption issues were fixed. But they do make it sounds like the issues has been taken care of like saaya mentioned.
well for them, ocing corruption doesnt matter it seems...
they probably only cared to fix the issues at around 1600 cause thats what system integrators want to be plug and play-able.
and if that doesnt work, then they would lose a lot of sales to system builders who want to build systems with fsb 1600 and ddr3 1600 and up...
has anyone tested P05
i will do so soon
saaya pls let ppl that actually have a problem test the board and report results.....
if it has not been resolved and i can and will also confirm this when i get a chance....it will be reported to nvidia MCP guys direct from my end
i cannot report results without proper testing and feedback so no point just saying it's still there as we have to get them to replicate the problems in the labs
Good point Dinos22 but its difficult when it seems so very easy for many of us to replicate this "issue" and have been for some time now? However I have no idea how they or any other vendor handles this kind of research (I always assumed they have a handful of people actually using the motherboards they sell, and using them outside of stock settings? Once again however, the handful of us having "issues" probably represent a fairly small percentage of overall users (and although I assumed they had a handful of people testing I don't think they can test thousands of motherboards to replicate "issues" only a small percentage of us are having)? Hopefully that makes some sense, lol! With that all said Dinos22 do you actually know how this kind of research happens at a place like Asus given your relationship with them? Do they actually setup a handful of motherboards and just try as many different settings and configurations as possible to try finding as many "issues" as possible and then prioritize the problems? Just curious as I haven't really thought about this stuff until reading your post.