here's the NewEgg sale link on the G.Skill DDR2-1066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
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here's the NewEgg sale link on the G.Skill DDR2-1066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
:rofl:
OK I'm up for this !! doing it right now .....
....... will report back in a few ....
\~/
:D
;p
0406 seems ta work, but no bugs to speak of !!
it came back as higher o/c than what i had before , with the settings that were on before .....soo i've been tryin' for higher but still workin' it 4.18 Ghz at one point but not stable in everest at full throttle .. 3.6 stable is easy .. gonna get back to 4 as before , putting the G.Skill's 1066 in right now as we speak see what that does any suggestions most welcome
Hey what's a rounding error in Prime mean ?
Your OC is unstable.
yeah , thought that's what it was ... I'll keep tryn' .. i'm stable at 3.6 but was tryin to get to near 4,0 I did at 3.99 on the older Bios maybe i'll go back & see if it will work agin
thanx 003:up:
the G.Skills 1066 work great .. gonna stick the ddr2-1000's on the other R/F MoBo
Are the g.skill 8500's better than the 8000's, do they use the same ic's, i just ordered the 8000's i didnt even see the 8500's for 5 bucks more, it hasnt shipped yet, should i cancel and order the 8500's???
Bios 0406 is completely incomaptible with Adaptec Raid Controller 3405. Computer won't boot with "CPU init" message on LCD poster. It took me hours to isolate the problem. I had to disassemble the whole system to understand that Adaptec controller was a problem. I already decided that I killed my RF during flashing, and even went to shop and bought Celeron 420 to try another CPU instead of Q9450. Nothing helped till I removed Adaptec card. Uff...tired of all these things..
Maybe this applies to you too: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&#post3043117
I posted earlier the specifics http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...181921&page=20
ASUS sent me a new motherboard (thanks ASUS :)). Crucial sent me new RAM (thanks Crucial:)) . I'm still having memtest errors :brick:.
I increased tRFC as Reatlelstar suggested. I dropped timings to 5-5-5-14 and had tRFC up to maximum, around 132 if I recall correctly. This is at 800mhz.
It's starting to look like the RAM just isn't compatible. The DDR2 800 2x2Gb Ballistix aren't on the QVL for the Rampage, but the 2x1Gb Ballistix are. I've talked to Crucial and they have mentioned that they did test the RAM on the Rampage (at least one of the customer service reps mentioned this, I don't know how accurate this info is.) I haven't talked to Crucial since yesterday. Thirty minutes on hold sucks on a cell phone.
Is there anything that you guys can see that I am overlooking.
I'm probably just gonna get some G.Skill RAM since everyone else is doing it (peer pressure).
Do you think Crucial can give me a refund since there product doesn't work (it's way past the 30 day mark)? Would it be ethical to sell them when I'm not 100% sure that the Ballistix are good?
It seems the G.Skill has the best luck so far with the Rampage. So I'm assuming the 0406 bios increase fsb overclocking (from above post)?
Can i use my X-FI titanium in the black pci-e 1.0 slot??? or is that only for the supreme fx audio card??
I think you can, its just a normal pci-e slot.
edit. nevermind
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5892/580oj2.th.png
quite good 3d stable fsb with 0406 bios. aircooled ofc.
Which improvements brought 0406?
Please post your findings...
anyone knows whether can the cathar G4 water block fit onto the cpu socket without any issues?
sobih25 most impresssive overclock on air. Could you share your bios setting to get that result.
It seems 0406 isn't on asus ftp server yet :(, hopefully soon :). (Usually it would be there if it is a beta and not released officially)
Hi guys.
I´m having serious trouble after the change from my P5B to the Rampage Formula.
Whatever FSB I enter in the bios the board boots up at 266mhz. For some settings I´ve tested now i can get some more mhz out of the board but I´m far far away from the leven I could achieve on my p5b.
Cpu is a G0 Q6600, which was running 360x9, mem 4x1gig SuperTalent DDR-2-800 :4-4-3-8, which where running fine at 450mhz with 4-4-4-8 timings on 2.1V on the P5b
The strange thing now on the rampage is that starting from standard settings (266fsb, strap auto,mem Devider 3:2 mem Voltage and timings set manual to known values ) I can start pushing the fsb to 280,290,300 which works fine till xp (SP2) where it´s stable.
While POST i can read Q6600 2.40Ghz @ 2.70ghz 4 Cores
When I change the mem devider to 5:4 to lower the mem frequency (in order to raise the fsb even more) the system rebootes but then I can see while POST it normally Writes out Q6600, 2.40Ghz, @2.41Ghz (!!) which ends in having a quite unstable windows with the fsb running at 266mhz.
The really bad thing is that when I switch back to the 3:2 divider, fsb still on 300, nothing changes.
The board still bootes with 266mhz and lists 2.41Ghz while post..
The actual bios used is 403, b4 I had 308, no change in the situation wether having 4 dimms or only 2 instaled.
One thing I´ll test 2day evening is putting the dimms in slot 1&3, as cpu-z shows 2&4 .
Slowly I´m thinking that the board is fcuked cause of the strange fsb behavior AND tha fact that set-fsb (latest version, can´t find a older on) shows cracy values..
Anyone on here had a similar problem ?
feel free to get it - http://kielbaski.com/pmp/MB/ASUS_X48...rmula-0406.zip
even as beta - works great for me.
Good for you. :)
If you have an external disk controller with BIOS, don't use it as it locks the PC at first cpu init stage.
I have an LSI controller on PCIe (4x electric), plugged on second PCIe 16x slot.
I had to unplug it to flash back to 403.
I hope that the guy that posted it will report to Asus BIOS engineers this big bug of 406.
Interesting, will wait for official release as I don't have two rampage formulas like bigslappy. To saxovtsmike, haven't had a problem with fsb changing. I have it at 450fsb x 8 and has been prime95 stable for 24 hours.
Which slots are better for higher clocks, white ones or blue ones???? thanks.
Hopefully they fix the issues with this beta bios.
err! both ! i got 8 gb in of ddr2-1000 & they are o/c'ed at 1066 in one board & 1066 in the other mobo that is at 1154 also 8gb,
G.Skill's Rock!
manuel says use the a1 & b1 slots 1st
BUT & this is a big BUT..... put a fan on the stix as they do get HOT when O/C'ed .................................
mine have a 120mm fan laying on them now as the MoBo is on the test bed right now & they are cool to the touch as soon as i put the fan on them
anyone who has this board check your stock cooling assy ! as i was removing one from one of R/F mobo's removed the screws & cut off the push pins ends (suckers are b*tch to out ) & the whole * Cooler Fell Off * in my hands both s/b n/b & memory controller only had a dime size TIM paste on each & s/b,n/b had also a small very thin thermal tape that was in peices . that was crap paste Too ! as it scraped off with my finger nail !!
:shocked:
I was doing all this in prep to put water blocks on everything . the mosfits had a thick thermal tape but contact was not great .... i'll be doing the other MoBo also soon
I did have D/L the newest driver for the intel chipset to get things to work right , but i'm not useing any added Raid card sooo that issue never popped up for me. interesting ! \
Soo I expect another BIOS is on the way , that's Way cool !
the more ASUS attn We get on the BIOS the better , in the long run ... I did notice that i have less options on setting the memory speed on 0406 & I was getting a higher O/C on the QX9770 that was stable ( that's the board that the water is going on soo it'll be down awhile...
...... tonite i think i'll flash to 401 on the Q9450 board & see what that does ...
Yeah the stock board cooling looks nice from the outside, but under the hood it's a load of junk.
The mosfet cooler does not make good contact with the mosfets in the middle, the NB cooler uses extremely crappy TIM, it's like CA based superglue, and the SB cooler has almost zero surface area, and it's thermally coupled to the heat monster x48 NB via a heatpipe to boot.
I have HR-09s on my mosfets (make perfect contact), a DD MPC-Universal on the NB and an Enzotech CNB-S1L on the SB. I purchased a DD MPC-X38 to go on the NB, and I have it here, but it looks like its top may interfere with the pro mount on the d-tek fuzion unfortunately. It might fit, I'll just have to find out.
i got that block also(DD MPC-X38 with the optional brass top ,what a rip that brass is as it only sits on top of the plexi) .. but I got a EK block to match the others soo i'll check the clearance tonite & get back at ya .. when I do a check of all the blocks for any fitting issues before any final assy ....
did you see this post about the TRUE backing plate that has collars to keep from bending the PCB ? It works way better that the Veetec Pro-mount , lets you attach the back plate to the mobo & not have it move & makes swapping out blocks WAY easy .. I put a small grommet & nut on the top of the screws to hold the mount on better right at the PCB this keeps the PCB from flexing & you can tighten the block down hard without fear of warpage ... here's da link
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=191257
sidewinder has them as does Cyber Druid (he'll send the right screws )
http://cyberdruidpc.com/catalog/prod...c20f3d7841695a
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/lgbowiscsp.html
the screws are throw aways as u want the 3 inch 3mm screws that comes with VeeTec V2 uni mount not the pro mount
That mount kit at sidewinder looks like its exactly the same as the d-tek pro mount, and the d-tek fuzion v2 stock mount.
It'd be great if you could test clearance with the MPC-X38 and post a pic of it. Once I confirm it will fit, I will swap it in, as well as swap in my brand new Fuzion V2 with quad plate. I got the V2 just for the sake of having the two barbs spaced farther apart, so I can use clamps on both of them.
I know some people who can get clamps on both barbs of the V1. I however simply can't do that, they are just better than me I guess :p:
I've had good luck with 406. With 219 I was able to get into Windows long enough to get screen capture of 3.92 GHz CPU-Z. Then things got slower as I tried to get stable, replaced the TIM under the NB heatsink, dealt with one or both monitors going black or pink or orange. I know one of my RAM sticks is weak, I can't boot with either one in a white slot, in a blue slot one stick will freeze at Windows start sound and one will get completely into windows. Last few weeks I've run at 3.5 GHz and RAM at 1051Mhz. 403 seemed to run worse so went back to 219. Installed 406 a week or so ago and right now I'm at 3.8 GHz and RAM's running at 1141 MHz. I'm not Prime stable, core #2 keeps falling out.
I built this machine with a purpose. I work where they use and teach CAD/CAM programs like Catia and Solidworks. I use a machining app called Mastercam X2 and they have a very good forum site where there is a thread on benchmarking one of the very large sample files that comes with MC. A year ago I held the record with a P5B-Dlx running a C2D 6420 OC'd to 3.5 GHz. Every so often someone would post a time 1 to 5 seconds faster than the last best time. I was in 5th place when someone posted a time 45 seconds faster going from 5 min. flat to 4 min. 15 sec. How could this be, a near 20% decrease overnight from a Dell T7400 with a slower CPU clock and RAM speed than my P5B?
Research showed me that in Mastercam the Xeon's always were better than equiv. C2D's and quads. The leader had 2 Xeon quads with a 1600Mb FSB and 12Mb cache. A friend told me how Xeon's use their cache differently. A benchmark run by a Xeon machine and similar C2Q machine with task manager running plainly showed a difference. So I built the rig in my sig. and retook the lead by 10 sec. and still have it. I have $1300 in my Rampage and the Dell guy is in second and only spent $6800 Canadian's. The real surprise was that I can run 2 instances of the benchmark simultaneously with NO DEFFERENCE in time.
Nah the backing plates are different .. the V-Tec on is just threaded & punched out the TRUE plate has alu collars a nut enbedded in it
i'll do a pix
as i had the VeeTec one on the mobo & that's when i noticed the bend in the PCB .. it was soo bad that the center mosfits were not in contact due to the bow ... I'm soo glad i got the test bed things that you never see once a mobo is in a case
here both back plates
here where i noticed i needed some nuts/gromments to seat the plate flush on the PCB ... anyway it works for me & really works well on my test bed CPU block which is a DD TDX
last pix
Nice pics, however I need to know if the MPC-X38 NB block and the Fuzion V2 both fit on the Rampage. Is anybody able to confirm this?
Looks good, can't wait to see results :D
ok here we go YES they do work together clearance is do-able
BUT the 4 holes on the out side of the plexi DO NOT match up with the MoBo
the 2 holes slightly closer to the block DO MATCH UP ! Now if it were me I would drill 2 more holes in da thing just to get a better fit & trim off the EARS where the other holes are
NOW also I do NOT think the Pro mount springs/screws will work
as u can see in pix of the " CyberDruid's backing mod " screws barely miss the plexi & the pro mount screws are spring covered SOO there a chance those will NOT clear the plexi on the DD X38 block without notching the plexi mount
Good to see. Umm, wtf? Screws on the block don't line up properly? Sorry I am not about to take a drill to it. If this is the case, I will have to sell/return it. I will try and contact DangerDen and find out whats up with this, maybe they can fix it for me. If not I'll have to stick with the MPC-Universal, which DOES fit, and works with D-tek pro mount.
mo pix
hope this helps 003
now it looks like the plexi is sitting on those capacitors but really it's all but a C-hair they are below it
But if u tighten down the block = they might/will hit
the plexi can be easy modded to miss those as well
Yeah i'm selling this block of mine
NO WAY am I gonna mod it as i'm going for the clean look on all my builds
tell the truth this is not the 1st time DD has sold me a block they said would fit for sure
& that it only is held by the two holes instead of the four holes is a deal killer also
any way while i'm at it i do pix of the EK blocks as I check clearances tonite !
I know this will help others out there in XS land !
I'd love to find a quality X38/48 NB block that fits the Rampage Formula and uses all four holes...
Thanks for the pics!
here's the EK block ... if it looks off center it slightly is when centered over the MoBo holes but it's a 2 holer also ..but it does cover 95% of the chipset & i like the low profile of the block last shoot shows the other chipset block which fits fine & looks to miss the 2nd Vid card if it's water cooled
any one have these on their board ?? do they(the Barbs) miss the 2nd Vid card as i'm going Crossfire with this rig
while i'm at it here's the test bed with my 2nd R/F & the Q9450
:up: I just ordered an Asus Rampage Formula. It's on the way.
:cool:
Traveler when you get your Rampage formula will you test your Max FSb? most / all of them can do 585+ when tweaked right, and i would like to see what the newer ones can do.
Big slappy u look like some watercoolin god ! where u get all those stuff. like your benchtable :)
Btw: what did u test in your test setup?
@ oo3 looks like after sleeping on it ..I'm gonna Mod the DD block as I put together the Brass plate for the DD & it has a thinner plexi hold down plate that sits on top of the brass top(barbs mount flush on the brass) & I can use the other thick plexi as a drilling guide for the R/F mobo holes into the thinner plexi
the EK block is lacking in a few ways to my liking
1st it just a box no pins inside for better heat transfer ,
2nd i don't like the idea of 2 holes ,
3rd the EK has sliders for the holes making it even less stable
4th the DD block covers the whole chipset as the EK don't
with this mod i gonna do i'll also be able to use the copper backing plate that comes with the Rampage Formula & end up with a very firm,stable & high heat transfer water block
preformance is more important than bling with this chipset
PIX below
I test everything , I get the mobo up running, get it O/C'ed, test memory load O/S , drivers , run bench marks , test games ,test apps ,with the R/F having the power & reset buttons on the mobo it's self. this makes a test bed a very good tool to bullet proof the P/C before it goes into a case, also do the burn in , test the water blocks (test bench has a temp probe ,resevior,fans,psu,Rad & pump)
most all has come from Petra's Tech Shop with help from Quoc he's the best guy ..
the test bed is a modded HSPC test station
here's a link to them
http://www.petrastechshop.com/hstest.html
I don't know if I should post this in this thread or start a new one. I'm about ready to FREAK OUT MAN! I posted earlier about my DDR2 800 Crucial Ballistix not being able to pass Memtest86 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...181921&page=20. I adjusted voltage and timings and even tRFC like suggested. They wouldn't pass. I RMA'd the RAM and the MB and got new of each. It was decided that the 2Gb sticks were not compatible with the Rampage.
I order some G.Skill DDR2 1066. They will not pass Memtest86 either. WTF?
Unfortunately, it's starting to look like the common denominator is me.
Am I running the right program -Memtest86 v3.4? Is it possible that something is wrong with the bootable CD?
Maybe they sent u back the same (broken) board.
What performance level do ya'll run 2x2Gb at? I had it set to auto. Now I'm trying 7. What tRFC?
-Thanks
It's not the same board. It came with all the accesories and another copy of Striker game. I reapplied the heatsink also and the new one is definitely a different board. Or they went through a lot of trouble to trick me.
try prime95 on blend that really works the memory & what O/S are u useing ? & did you D/L the newest driver for the Intel X48 chipset (it's on an earlier post) as the R/F CD is out dated on all the drivers & as is the Intel download site , for some reason Intel hasn't updated their own site but i had a problem with the 2nd mobo till i had all the drivers in correctly
And what does memtest86+ v2.01 say? Try it instead of memtest86, because basically when "memtest" is mentioned, they mean memtet86+ namely.
http://www.memtest.org/
For 2x2Gb I recommend begin with TRFC=54, because 2Gb sticks are extremely sensitive to that timing.
Don't drivers only load when Windows loads. Memtest uns before that. I can't find the link to new drivers. Intel list two -one only for advanced users- http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=816&OSF ullName=Windows*+XP+Home+Edition&lang=eng&strOSs=4 5&submit=Go%21
Does it matter which one? Are these the latest? 6-02-08 seems pretty up to date to me.
I've tried tRFC up to 85 without any luck and performance level 8.
mods done ! pix attd......
the copper colored backplate is NOT copper it's ALU
drilled out the collars that were on stock back plate ran screws up with the blk nylon washer that were there from the back of the mobo
used the plexi thick hold down plate for a drill guide but the line up was slightly off soo i made the holes larger but not by much (1 drill size up ) next mobo i'll use the back plate for the guide
actually I will be redoing all this over in BRASS plate to replace the thin plexi hold down ,as i don't like the "X38" detail on the plexi = seeing it's a X48 chipset (gonna engrave the brass with my logo & X48)
I like how this works . Very simple to get the block alined (does it it's self)
very easy to get even pressure across block & don't have to worry about bending the PCB & useing the screws in that way from the back up ,there is not a nut tightning issue & less metal protrudes that can touch the MoBo tray
will no be useing grommets & washers on this at the top of the MoBo(like on the CPU) as there are 2 tiny resisters on 2 corners right at the screw holes
NOW ,with the brass DD block cover there is NO issue with crushing the capacitors &/or getting the V2 Pro-mount on clearance is not a problem due to the Brass block cover holding everything up WAY high
BUT with the thick plexi block cover it's gonna hit the caps when you tighten the plexi ....
I also will redo the back plate in Brass also & thread the holes for the screws to hold better ..
feel good about this Block & mount
NOW I can Bling it Up !
with brass custom parts
this the intel one i used but I see you are useing XP soo i can't help i got Vista on all machines ............
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Deta...stems&lang=eng
this is the latest marvel driver
http://www.marvell.com/drivers/drive...o?driverId=175
i was having strange problems with my 2nd R/F till i D/L'ed these & i am useing the new 0406 BIOS
what bios ya got now ?
bigslappy where did you get that brass thing that goes between the plexiglass cover and the block??? Can you give me a link to get it? That would surely solve all clearance issues!
y would you want to use the promount anyway? THe old mounting method works so much better, especially if you change cpus often.
Darn, if you could check the invoice that would be great. I always seem to get screwed like this :(
the mpc-975x block has a brass option ..call DD in the morning it seems like we can get the top for that block cause it looks like the block is the same as ours . i gonna call quoc at petra's and have him mersure that block to see if it's the same size ..then if it is i'll order the mpc-975x for myself with the brass option and mod the hold down outta brass stock it's just as easy to make 2 or 3 as it is one . as i now have a mock up then from there it's a piece o' cake to make .. i really want a 4 hole block for that chipset for my other R/F mobo .... stay in touch ..
the invoice says mpc-38 stock # CHP-319 .......DATED 4-21-08 OPTION BRASS TOP
Do the marvel drivers and south bridge drivers have anything to do with my memory problems?
Thanks for all the updates. I will not quit until this board is perfect . . . well, as close as possible.
Well good news regarding the brass top/spacer for the MPC-X38! I called DangerDen and asked about it, and they said you can still order it. All you do is order the Maze4 Chipset Brass Top Conversion Kit, which is here:
http://www.dangerden.com/store/produ...&cat=45&page=1
All you need to do is make sure you select "Intel 975" for the top style, and then when you are placing the order, put in the customer notes that it is actually for the MPC-X38.
I've ordered one :)
YEAH ;)
but who knows :shrug:
but having all yer ducks in row don't hurt
& like u said earlier it's something simple that is the hardest to track down & if i remember right the marvel driver's are suite of drivers that control a few things on the board not just the mini ports ( deleted one marvel driver (audio) on P5E & had a hellva time getting that mobo to work after )
Yeah that's what i figured that the Intel 975 was the same basic block / just a different mounting when all plexi ... & you get a thin plexi mount when u order a brass option & that thin plexi i'll toss & make a brass hold down & Bling up both of mine .. soo i ordered the Intel 975 chipset block /with brass
the last block & brass cover(mpc-x38) they sent alot of sizes of the allen head screws with my last block soo that's not gonna be an issue
glad that worked out for u .. that screw/thumb nut set i used on the mod ...
i got from petra's ,you have to call & ask for them as they are not on the web site they are the "Vtec fusion screws set"
Thanks for the info! Oh, I thought I would let you know, I took the stock NB baseplate that came on my Rampage Formula (not using it with the current MPC-Universal), and I lined its screw sockets up with the holes on the plexiglas top on my MPC-X38, and they lined up perfectly. So if you are saying you got an MPC-X38 with holes that didn't line up on the Rampage Formula, that is an issue, because they should. Maybe they accidentally sent the wrong top with it or something.
Yeah as i said DD has sent me wrong block before ,I got a ATI 3870X2 block that didn't fit either but all is cool now as i do like that block with pins in it as the EK block only has channels & looks restrictive , that & the fact that it don't cover the chipset squarely
Hrmmm. Was 24/7 OCCT stable at 4.0ghz in XP pro, but upon getting my 4870 and trying to boot into Vista I ran into some stability issues and the system would crash into a blue screen before even loading Vista. After messing around for a long time I finally decided to update bios.
Updating the bios fixed my instablity and things are running solid once again.
What is max pci-e MHZ for this board????
Let me check
Edit: Checked - 180 is the max.
The first bios, to the most recent (0403).
Does anyone know if OCZ 2 x 2 GB kit of PC8500 Reapers work with this motherboard? I want to get this motherboard with that kit of RAM and a Q9550 when Intel cuts their prices.