Bowmans Mod Shop

Hello

Bowman ive been today to a A/C shop (suplyying 1/2 of warsaw) and talked a little with the sellers and asked them a question about low temp freons... They said that R23 costs 25-30$ per kilogram, i only need to have my own container.. Are freons SO expensive in the US ?? I thought that Poland is the worst place on earth...

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Originally posted by berkut
Hello

Bowman ive been today to a A/C shop (suplyying 1/2 of warsaw) and talked a little with the sellers and asked them a question about low temp freons... They said that R23 costs 25-30$ per kilogram, i only need to have my own container.. Are freons SO expensive in the US ?? I thought that Poland is the worst place on earth...

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ok first off dont take this wrong...i am a proud american ,but politcs in the USA is trerrible.politicians have voted the extra tax on all cfc refrigerants to make people retro fitt to other non-cfc refrigeraants.the tax is so high as to make you change your mind.

i bet 75% of ther price of cfc refrigerants is TAX....

we do get TAXED to death over here.you pay tax when you get you paycheck,you pay tax on what you buy,and if you sell it you pay tax again.and there is a tax on dieing too.you die and your dependants have to pay tax on what you give them.....

Hmm i understand you very well ;] Its like gasoline in poland, 1/10 of the price is gasoline and if it was very good for that price.. no, you get cheated gasoline (the use perfumes, alcohol, oil and everything that burns as 98 high q gasoline) so most of the cars die... n/c.. everything is the same...

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we do get TAXED to death over here.you pay tax when you get you paycheck,you pay tax on what you buy,and if you sell it you pay tax again.and there is a tax on dieing too.you die and your dependants have to pay tax on what you give them.....

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And that's just the visible taxes. Every tax on a business goes into the price of their product or service, so you end up paying those, too. Then there are all of the regulations, which add to the prices.

Liberal politicians are thieves and dictators, unlike conservative politicians, who are dictators and thieves.

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Liberal politicians are thieves and dictators, unlike conservative politicians, who are dictators and thieves.

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rofl.. too true

ya i had worked my ass off one week and pulled in like 65hrs a week...which was a net of like 4500 and i only took home a little less then 3k i was expecting it but i mean where does all my money go?

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where does all my money go?

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The Ho's take it out of your wallet when you fall asleep? :D

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Originally posted by TheDude
The Ho's take it out of your wallet when you fall asleep? :D

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ROFLMAO:rotf:

well i will be posting some pics tonight,after i get back from picking up some more supplies for on i am doing something special too.

i have a double decker prom i am finishing up tonight if all goes well.i will be posting pics of that baby as well as one with bakers block that i had to calibrate the 10k themistor i used to the carel controller.so if i remeber i will post the resistor i am using to use a std 10k thermistor with the stock prom controller,as that is the same one i made a custom mouting head for.finial pics on that.
i hope by tommorow i will be testing that one on a live p4 board and see how it does.:D before i ship it out.

stay tuned ....later...same bat channel.:D

we're waiting ;]

ya i cant wait! i love pics!

Pics of my baby! Daddy misses the baby... goochie coo...ummm....sorry. :D

God Dale...I wondered what those lip marks were in the last pics Adam posted! :rolleyes: Testing tomorrow for your "baby"!

sorry guys,went out and saw a friend while i was out(woman friend)so i didnt get home until late.;)

but got up early and been working all morning.got the double prom done just about, amd dale yours is running now on a load block.i am tring to get the prom controller calibrated right.when i set it for the right low temps the hgh is off slightly.will take some more fine tuning.it reads now -47c when it actually is -53c but no alarms...

anyways here is a pic of the double prom

well forgot i took a pic of the evaperator cover being fitted to a 8rda for fitt testing,you can see the almost finished cooler head here

looks very good ! ^^

do use polyethylene foam ? or armaflex ??

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Originally posted by berkut
looks very good ! ^^

do use polyethylene foam ? or armaflex ??

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both...depending on where i need to put it at.


i am out of here until this afternoon,got to get back to work on dales and one other...later

Adam.....cover is looking GOOD Bro! :thumbsup:

BTW....What cooler is that on the NB?

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Originally posted by TheDude
Adam.....cover is looking GOOD Bro! :thumbsup:

BTW....What cooler is that on the NB?

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microcool northpole cooler.
i personally believe the best nothbridge cooler period.
and it will mount to p4 boards with a small modification:D

i got mine at sidewinder,actually i purchaced 2..one i used the copper block for my last evap.

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/minochcokit.html

oooh thats so sweet! whos double promi is that? and do those have bakers blocks on them? or what?

Thanks for the link....Me likey big time! :D

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Originally posted by Pimpsho
oooh thats so sweet! whos double promi is that? and do those have bakers blocks on them? or what?

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gentlemen dont kiss and tell....LOL:D

the bottom one has a baker gpu block and the top is a mach II 404 mod.
the bottom is a mach I that i have a hard time on getting the evap just right to work with a radeon in a case.i have to do it twice for it to work right with one over the other.

I bought one of those Northpole NB coolers...wish I could afford two, but I have a cheapo stock aluminum HS/F I can use also.:D
It's (Northpole) going in the Asus Pent4 setup. ;)

i tell you sometimes it dont pay to get out of bed.:(

was running last test on a mach II ( in that dual prom was shipping out tommorow) i have and the fuse blew.i drove 40 miles one way to a radio shack (since i wanted to ship it tommorow)and all they has was a 4amp fuse and the unit takes a 6.3amp...auuuugh.well a wasted trip.and it is dead without it.
i did buy some 4 amp while i was there hopping it didnt need the 6.3a and although it made it come right to life...as soon as the compressor starts.it blows.......


o well next. i guess i just waiting on fuses now on that one.i had to order the fuse from radio shack online.

always something.life is just too easy sometimes i guess.

cant you hard wire it ? ^^

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Originally posted by berkut
cant you hard wire it ? ^^

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Kind of defeats the purpose of having a fuse doesn't it? Not the Bowman way. :D

Adam - make sure you get the 6.3A 250v slow blow fuses from rat shack...they work the best.

Edit - can pop a couple in the mail to you but since tomorrow is a holiday they won't go out till Tuesday and most likely arrive there Thursday/Friday. Let me know, I have 8 around here somewhere.

ok well dale here it is sitting on a asus p4c800 deluxe.i spent only about 15 minutes and no tweeking and look what it posted at .

damm i forgot the pic........well maybe i will show you...LOL:D

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Originally posted by WxChaser
Adam - make sure you get the 6.3A 250v slow blow fuses from rat shack...they work the best.

Edit - can pop a couple in the mail to you but since tomorrow is a holiday they won't go out till Tuesday and most likely arrive there Thursday/Friday. Let me know, I have 8 around here somewhere.

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thanks bud i found out if it isnt 6.3 it will pop .

i have a supply coming from radio shack online i hope to have them asap.

thanks for the offer.:D

On a IC7-G I got a 4C difference between the microcool northpole and the swiftech mcx159-p. Temperature taken at the same exact spot and system at full load. I bought both of them at sidewinders, but i had to mod an attachment for the microcool. They are working on an attachment for it in Italy right now if you want to wait. But based on my experience the swiftech is a superior product (it is the one running the northbridge 4c cooler).
FYB

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Originally posted by bowman1964
ok well dale here it is sitting on a asus p4c800 deluxe.i spent only about 15 minutes and no tweeking and look what it posted at .

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Whoooaa!! That is awesome...TheDude must be liking his "baby" now!....:D

Excellent work....once again, Bud! ;)

Excellent job......................Bowman.........


baker18

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Originally posted by fyb
On a IC7-G I got a 4C difference between the microcool northpole and the swiftech mcx159-p. Temperature taken at the same exact spot and system at full load. I bought both of them at sidewinders, but i had to mod an attachment for the microcool. They are working on an attachment for it in Italy right now if you want to wait. But based on my experience the swiftech is a superior product (it is the one running the northbridge 4c cooler).
FYB

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well i like swiftech too.they make great stuff.

but check out this review on the swiftech,you will notice the microcool beats it out just very slightly at no load and is even at a load.

http://www.cluboc.net/reviews/heatsi...x159/index.htm

I saw that review but when I can I usually do my own test. In this case i was using a p4 not a amd and I got a 4c difference at full load (northbridge is quite hot on those 875p motherboard and the temp went down to 51c with the swiftec from 55c with the northpole). temp probe was in both case on the opposite side of the cpu, at the exact same spot. The system was running 2 folding@home with a 100%cpu usage (physical and logical p4). Since then I got it down to 48c with a 120mm panaflo blowing directly in the gap between the ram and the northbridge (@ a 35o angle). I don't think i will go back to the northpole anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, it is a cool product but based on my numbers the swiftech is better. i will get their canterwood mounting when it comes out in the US, just to see what they did (they are not using the hooks). I will post new numbers at that time, if there is any difference.
FYB
PS: cool stuff you are doing with those prometeia and your designs. Any chance you'll try to push a vapo to some new extreme? My SE goes down to -37.5c idle, but goes up to -28c at load. It is filled with hp81, not 404a and has been quite good for the past month or so since it was filled with HP81 (402b). The compressor goes up to 47c. I wanted to go with hp80 but i couldn't find any.
I know people will ask so here is some info about hp81(sorry if it doesn't come out formatted correctly):
physical data safety data environmental data
refrigerant atmos-
molec-NBP Tc Pc TLV-HOC Std 34 pheric
chemical formula or blend ular TWA LFL safety life GWP
number composition -common name mass (˚C)(˚F)(˚C)(˚F)(MPa)(psia)(PPM)(%)MJ/kg Btu/lb group (yr)ODP 100 yr
402B R-125/290/22 (38.0/2.0/60.0)– 94.71 --47.2 -53.0 83.0 181.4 4.53 657 1000 none -1.6 -688 A1 0.020 2300
HP81

Finally got in here to have a peep....wow! looking good! I really like the look of that block and hold down too! I been trying to OC this 3.2 on crappy stock air HS/F that came with a 2.4c. Just going to put it away until my baby comes home to Daddy. :D

Very nice work bro. ;)

well dale i was suprised late last night..the ASUS hit 4.33g before i went to bed.but i hate there bios.....:(

i think it will run 3d at 4200mhz but i may adjust the freon charge a little. right now the evap is showing -39c loaded 4.3g 1.8v thats a ton of heat. in bios it shows -29 to -30c.
the p4 board is so much easier to mount a evap to,i was happy about that.

AWESOME! :D :D :D :D :D

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Originally posted by MickeyMouse
bowman is that blue stuff at the ends of the dual prommy setup tape or heatshrink??

BTW IM jeloius :)

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well it is colored 3m tape.i purchaced it with the loom i got from the loom store.alot easer than heat shrink.
i have heat shrink at work large enough but it you have to go back and work on it...$5 gone.thats what a piece of heat shrink normally cost that large.

While browsing around the local hardware store
the other day I picked up some White and some
Red tape.

They also had Green and Blue and Orange.

Not as wide as regular Black tape but almost.

Electritions use it to band certain wires when
a bundle of wires are pulled thru conduit etc.

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Originally posted by bowman1964
well dale i was suprised late last night..the ASUS hit 4.33g before i went to bed.but i hate there bios.....:(

i think it will run 3d at 4200mhz but i may adjust the freon charge a little. right now the evap is showing -39c loaded 4.3g 1.8v thats a ton of heat. in bios it shows -29 to -30c.
the p4 board is so much easier to mount a evap to,i was happy about that.

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Nice results Bowman1964. I always have a little look thru these parts...:toast:

It really makes me wonder though. Like what sort of readings your modified unit would exhibit with a Barton running over the 3Ghz threshold and say 2.06 - 2.1v?

guys i know i havent been posting alot,been busy.

but i am working on a a64 evap,and a nforce3 chipset cooler
the nforce 3 is a big pain.because of the location of the chipset there is no room at all for a cooler.
i am machining a water cooled pelt for the chipset.small low profile unit.

Look what got delivered by UPS late yesterday! That's what I call proper packaging! :banana: :D

Mine looked exactly like that. Bowman does NOTHING half-assed. You can't help but admire that. :D

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Originally posted by TheDude
Mine looked exactly like that. Bowman does NOTHING half-assed. You can't help but admire that. :D

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That's so true!....I consider myself lucky, inthat, Bowman modded mine! :D :worship:

Well i learned the hard way.

shipping with ups you better package it so as a tank wouldnt hurt it.sure it takes me 30 minutes to package it up,but thats nothing compaired to having it get damaged in shipping.


Hobocrow i am glad it arived in one piece...thanks for letting me know. :D

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Originally posted by bowman1964
Well i learned the hard way.

shipping with ups you better package it so as a tank wouldnt hurt it.sure it takes me 30 minutes to package it up,but thats nothing compaired to having it get damaged in shipping.


Hobocrow i am glad it arived in one piece...thanks for letting me know. :D

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No problem, Bud! Like I detailed to you in my email....I watched the pkg get flipped off the hand truck while coming down my driveway... :eek:
Thanks, to the "extra" precautions you take, it made it to me and everything looks Great! :D

Lets fire them up and see what they can do...........

Btw, great job Bowman............


baker18

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Originally posted by baker18
Lets fire them up and see what they can do...........

Btw, great job Bowman............


baker18

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Waiting on some parts.....but, will do soon! They're so pretty that I might have to put some windows in the side panels even. :) :D

Those look top notch! :toast:

Hobocrow you are going to have an awesome setup me thinks :D

so bottom is for gpu and top unit is for the cpu right? are those both bakers blocks! and what r they? top one machII and bottom machI?

Wow,
awesome looking units you have there Hobocrow, must say I'm new to this side of things, but i'd love to learn as much as possible, and give my barton 3000+ a bit of a wind up.

Welcome to Xtreme Freezeman! :D
:toast:

thanks dude
man i've been missing out on all the fun, just spent the last 3 days reading the posts in here and i'm just blown away with the tech knowledge you guys have.
All i can say is i've been on the darker side of the moon for far too long.
I gotta get me one of the prommie mach 2's

Could (any)one of you lads 'tell me which radiator is found in the prommy's??
Or any rad' that does this many passes?
And if i may push my question a little further ;)
Any place i could buy one here in Holland (or in Europe for that matter?)

I'm trying to gather some parts for a WaterCooling-set that would aid my MachI in the struggle for more MegaHurtzzez ;)


And ontopic:

Y'all keep up your Kick-Ass-Modding! :slobber:

Isp and Freezeman..Thanks guys! :)
I've been taking advantage of this unusally warm weather and have been spending time on the boat! I worked on the case mod alittle and have my CoolMaster 201 mounted on top of the MachII now! Still have to modify the Mobo tray I think.

Pimpsho...yes, It's a machI with a Baker18 GPU evap on the bottom and a machII 404 mod with the standard prommie CPU evap on the top.

Wow.. awesome bowman :D :D

I'm also curious where to get a small condensor like a vapo/prommy uses. Preferably in the US or Canada though ;)

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Originally posted by DivineEvil
Could (any)one of you lads 'tell me which radiator is found in the prommy's??
Or any rad' that does this many passes?
And if i may push my question a little further ;)
Any place i could buy one here in Holland (or in Europe for that matter?)

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I'm also curious where to get a small condensor like a vapo/prommy uses. Preferably in the US or Canada though

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I have had a manufacturer prototype several condensers rated for approx 850btuh @ 100 cfm airflow. They are 4" x 6" x about 1.5"? thick.

I've started up my scratch job with a Tecumseh TPA-1410 compressor and WOW! The condenser is excellent! I have received the price breaks on the quantity orders of these condensers from the mfgr.... if I can get an order in for around 75 to 100, I can provide them for about (price edited in order to not SPAM!.. but it's cheap!) I can't find the quote sheet, right away, so don't quote me on that.

BUT... the condenser is PERRRRFECT!

There is a condenser related thread on the forum, with a pic of the custom condensr....

I'll post pics of my new scratch built custom critter... It's HOT!... and my NI-cad wire does a good job on the block, but I needed to hook up to 5V. The 3.3V didn't seem to do the job well during operation.

see ya'

Herefishy,
Speaking of your condensor, YES...it's quite nice.

C

!I learned a lot reading this thread..!


*bowman

Man you sure know your stuff.. Impressive work!!! :-)


*Dude

Looks like its going to be a killer setup

Hey Bowman...........You did good, Buddy!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
Here'd how the Prometeia Control Center seems my "old 2.8" @210 fsb and no load.... :toast: I've had it over 4Ghz and I'm playing with the mem.

btw, the p4c800e bios says it's -111c @ idle... :D

Divine evil
I'm using a Ford xf falcon 3 core radiator on my water cooling, cheap to pick up at the wreckers and cleaned with new fittings put on it was $30
:soap:

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Originally posted by Hobocrow
Hey Bowman...........You did good, Buddy!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
Here'd how the Prometeia Control Center seems my "old 2.8" @210 fsb and no load.... :toast: I've had it over 4Ghz and I'm playing with the mem.

btw, the p4c800e bios says it's -111c @ idle... :D

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well thank you...been a bad weekend here for me personally,
but that just makes me smile...thank you for the kind words....:D

Great thread. I read through it all over the course of a couple days. I was pretty lost in the scientific discussion, but the pictures, temps and monster overclocks are something I can understand. :D You do indeed do some awesome work, Bowman. Someday when I go phase change, I hope you're still doing mods.

How much captube was added for Hobocrow´s unit?

Ok!! I promise not to post anymore pics about my Bowman modded M2, well not today anyway....:D :p:

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Originally posted by MickeyMouse
no post away :) loking good thta has to be a EE chip right for 34s at only 4ghz ;)

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MM........you know that I'm a n00b at this! I thought 34sec was just so so for a 2.8ghz at 4ghz...It's ok isn't it! :)

Jason, regular P4 can do 34sec at sub 4Ghz (3.2C on P4C800 1:1 got me 34sec at 3980 IIRC) ;)

Macci.......:p: :D

grr just read this thing..... i think i might have to whip out the big bucks to get me a nice bowman modded m2 :p:

I know that this isn't important or news worthy....but , it is too me so I'm going to post it! :D
I know that 30k will probly be broken this weekend and to be on page 1 of the ORB will reguire a score of 26k...I have none of these things....yet! ;)
I'm still learning and testing! I've improved some things!.....:)

Hobocrow,
That's a da*n fine score... I wish I had YOUR cooling!!

C

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Hobocrow,
That's a da*n fine score... I wish I had YOUR cooling!!

C

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Thanks, Charlie :) I wish I had YOUR skills!!

Hobocrow man i am so happy about your fun with the modded units.they seam to be doing better than exspected....:D

sorry i havent been posing alot lately,been working on figuring out some benching problems,as i have been benching latley.
and i have finally gotten a good setup.

i dont want to say too much right now.but just check the orb and see how my setup is doing.:D

i will be sending in results all weekend,i hope to get close to the great one..OPP.and OPP thanks for the Card and help.:D

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BTW edit just checked the orb, ya still got a low car low score, but
congrat's on 27.5k :) you deseve it :)

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well i just have another way around that car score.i work on the back end first...and OPP's high core card helps me in gpu related tests,the card will run 594 core.and that maxes alot of differance
and i havent even maxed the cpu,and OPP's card still has some more in it:D
i will maybe tonight get back to it.until i get a pci bus card i cannt get above 285 without hard drive corruption.

i may see if i can get one run done at 285 even if it takes out the hd.:D

car low does bug me,but i will keep at it until i get me a good run.

Nice benching, Bowman!
I've added your test numbers to Opp's numbers on the dry-erase above my rig :D. I'll be benching tonight too, and just may be able to get my 9800XT above 533... I've reconfigured my DI cooling rig for the GPU and we'll see. You guys with your great clocking Video Cards...congrats! These tests IMO, are 50% VC.
:toast:

C

Nice Job and good clocks you got out of that stuff :toast:

whats up with that nature score thou? seems a bit bugged to me (by some 8-10fps or 160-200points).

Jason, its possible to run car low as final test and still get good run :) this is how I do it atleast.

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ahh ok so you go drag/nature first or such? ;) just saw that maybe then it all equals out.. just looks funny when you do that and i try to compare it to mine, lol..

so all in all the gigabyte doesn't look bad.. besides holding ya down from higher cpu speeds.. Im sure if ya had a 10.5 or 11x multi you'd be in the 28k range ;)..

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Jason,
Do you know precisely how 3dmk01 works? I mean how it computes scores? Is one test more biased in the formulation of a score? Interesting stuff...
For tonight's benching I'm going to intentionally stuff the dry ice "towards the GPU" instead of simply filling the tube... I'll be using a thermometer so I can monitor the temp of the DI base.
I'll keep the rig off until temp reaches the magic #, then run the bench. I could even turn the voltage down between runs to allow the chip to cool...

C

bowman1964.....

The heavy hitters in UK have found that
the "old" Baracuda IV and V series hard drives
are about the only things that won't go South.
Made by Seagate.

Its just that running certain other tests first gives you better overall score (given that you are lucky with car low in the end) ;)

well no benching for me tonight,i have gone out to a friends house.i am there now....

anyways i dont run in a order like others,i start at the back.gives me a higher nature.if i can push the core hard enough to not lock up.and keep the core below -45c.

anyways i picked up a 9800xt anyways..so i have another gun to fire this week

Hey, Bowman! Great to hear ur benching again! :) I can't see the ORB yet because of my slooow dial-up...guess you guys are keeping it too busy! Hehe

I'm very happy with the M2....It works perfectly!!:D The 2.8 I'm playing with in the screenies wouldn't run @ 3.4Ghz on air...:)

I'll set the M1 up soon...I've made my 1st insulation / backplate and will test with an old spare card probly tomorrow!

Give'm H3ll on the ORB, Bud!

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whats your secert order ;)

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I guess I could tell you but then I would have to kill you ;)

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i start at the back.gives me a higher nature

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sure it helps a bit but it won't give you 10fps extra - and if it does its a bugged nature run (bugged because of too high mem clocks), the one you got there was 185fps zone and it should be at 176-178 with those card clocks. 185 would take around 600/450 card clocks.

Theres a pretty easy way to fix the car low score, (if its the prob I think it is) but as macci said, if this was revealed, you would not even be able to use it...if you know what I mean ;)
heheheheh

I know Macci's order! I know Macci's order!

But damned if I'm going to tell anyone! :D

Ok, it's :censored:.

You are one damn lucky person :banana:
hehehehe

If you note down and remember all the subtle hints that macci gives throughout his posts then you can sorrrrrt of work out his orders....but who knows they might change :)

well yep i have a order i have always used.in the last couple of months....and by the why..OPP's cards is almost hitting 600core now.
i tried running the memory really high in nature to see what would happen since i see someone refering to that helping....i lost 300 points...how do you gain?something i must be missing something?...
i am back this morning and am benching now at 2.8g...score just went up....i am not going to post the orb until tonight thou.

makes me wonder if he's at 28k yet... :slobber:

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makes me wonder if he's at 28k yet... :slobber:

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maybe?:D

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B> are you still on your tri setup wiht the chipset wiht no load?? or are you on something diff for cpu/gpu???

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well i am on the tri evap bench rig,but i shut off one evap(chipset cooler)so i can keep my cpu/gpu to around -45c.

no load ...my temps run -49c CPU...-47c GPU...loads are -43 CPU ...-44c GPU...

i am pushing her so far,if i let the CPU hit -42c to -41c...i get lockups. same with GPU isf she rises above -40 i get a lockup.
it is touchy..i have to adjust the refirgerant charge as my benching sesion goes on, and the compressor and room temps rise.
got up this morning and opened the window to get the room temps to around 50f..that allowed me to reach some faster scores.seams there must be a couple circuits on the motherboard that get hot and will give me the blue screen of death,if i dont keep the room cold.

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i tried running the memory really high in nature to see what would happen since i see someone refering to that helping....i lost 300 points...how do you gain?

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yeah you went too far with the mem and its giving way too much errors, even the 420 seems to be too far since its givin bugged nature scores (187.3fps at 594/420 clocks ain't a normal run, OPPs at 189 and his clocks are at 607/465 - and nature is mostly mem dependant at such high GPU clocks).

I have one score which is higher than my current run but its with bugged nature of 185.5fps (at 570/427) so I dont post it.

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Originally posted by macci
yeah you went too far with the mem and its giving way too much errors, even the 420 seems to be too far since its givin bugged nature scores (187.3fps at 594/420 clocks ain't a normal run, OPPs at 189 and his clocks are at 607/465 - and nature is mostly mem dependant at such high GPU clocks).

I have one score which is higher than my current run but its with bugged nature of 185.5fps (at 570/427) so I dont post it.

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what is considered a bugged score...?and who decieds?

i dont understand.
i can see the entire bench sure it has some tearing slightly.now i can make it go over 200 in nature but that is truly a error as you get a messed up screen.
i tell you if a guy runs low in car low it is bugged but ok.
but if he gets nature to run...it's not.
there is no shuch thing and shouldnt be.

if it runs it runs.who can say as long as it passes.

i have a run well over 200 in nature but i didnt post it.how can anyone say yes or no.
if it is able to do it..it should be usable,

here is a bugged score if i want to ...

A lil off topic to loosen up the stiff discussion on bugs.

Bowman, guys i think i found our new motto:

"A cold computer is a happy computer"

Its problematic issue yes but heres one way to find out wheter ur doing a bugged or normal nature run:
start at safe clocks lets say 580/400 in your case :D
run the test write down the result and increase clocks a bit and run it again. at some point you'll see FPS improvement thats higher than it should be and when this happens your entering the 'bugged nature zone'.

I rechecked OPPs nature and its at 186.7FPS with 607/465.. so your beating him with 594/420 clocks. That doesn't seem right now does it?

As far as car low goes it a bit different thing. Its all about pure luck :)
As you may have noticed the test ain't always the same: sometimes the car hits the barrel and sometimes it doesn't for instance. Getting good or bad car low is all about luck. Also its based on system overall performance not just video card speed like Nature.

In any case great job your doing with that little A64 of yours :)

Futuremark should have written in code that monitors errors and gives a hard re-boot when the errors multiply. I don't think anyone really wants to turn this into a contest of who can "bug" their Nature hardest... OTOH, like Bowman said, if you're running the default software with properly functioning hardware and the computer's doing the work...Maybe the occasional 400fps Car Low is a bug, too? I don't know enough about the guts and scoring calculation of 3dmark, and they seem to have removed the 3dmark01 white sheet from FM website.

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Originally posted by berkut
A lil off topic to loosen up the stiff discussion on bugs.

Bowman, guys i think i found our new motto:

"A cold computer is a happy computer"

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ha ha...that is funny....always good to lighten up things a little

thank buddy:D

did a little research and compaired 2 of my runs.
and with the same card clocks the nature is almost the same.so i would guess that is pretty much close to the max.
and i picked up the rest from adjusting the fsb on the board and rasing the other test clocks...i took a screen shot to show
it would be next to impossable to get a buged nature run this close to one another.or at least it looks like so

Well Opp's got 190ish on his Nature with 465 Mem clocks on his XT!!!! SO 189 at a similar CPU speed with MUCH less MEM OC on the R9800Pro... I just don't know. Like I said I don't want this whole competition turning into who can bug their Nature the most to get a phat score... contest. I'm just afraid if 1 person has a HIGH Nature clock, the next person will say "Well there's already a 191.2 on the ORB, so I guess my 193.2 is OK...and next thing you know, the ORB is filled with 32,500 scores from Durons and PIII's ????

C

Been silent in here for months. Just listening and learning:D .

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seams there must be a couple circuits on the motherboard that get hot and will give me the blue screen of death,if i dont keep the room cold.

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This has been occupying my mind for a long time, maybe the limit on overclocks arent the cpu and gpu, not at the temps you guys get them to:slobber: . But maybe its other components on the mobo that arent getting this level of cooling.

Has any one tried an air drier, air pumped in at close to 32F, or maybe a 2 stage air system. Air taken down to close to 32F, water obviously drained off and then a second section taking the air down even further. If this is coupled with heatsinks on vital mobo ic chips it could increase the overclocks more than lowering cpu temps to -70c plus.

Regards

John.

Glad to here what I think I'm learning here, I actually am learning:) Cheers Mickey.

Just dont expect too many more posts soon:rolleyes: I have a lot of learning to do yet:mad:

Regards

John.