Just save and modify your own bios with nibitor to the highest totally stable clocks, and flash the cards one at a time (ie: remove the second card, flash the first card, then remove it and put in your other card) using nvflash v5.57 or later.
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Just save and modify your own bios with nibitor to the highest totally stable clocks, and flash the cards one at a time (ie: remove the second card, flash the first card, then remove it and put in your other card) using nvflash v5.57 or later.
The ram they use is rated at 1000 MHz (2000 MHz effective), so it should get to that speed ok. One consolation: OCing the ram does not gain a bunch or performance. It's the core clock that makes the big diff.
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Sorry to bug you on that quote, but I have to do this. It is not true both core and ram bottleneck cuz of the hardware past 900 mhz core you won't see any improvement if you can give enought power to maintain it and the memory will bottleneck at 1100 mhz due to the maximum timing and power the hardware can handle and I also heard that these Qimonda on 24/7 will get permanent damage eventually. Today's GFX card are bottleneck due too memory speed there is also the mobo chipset involve, but not as much as GDDR memory . Why do you think nvidia's next move is to go GDDR5 on a gtx 2xx that they will call GTX 3?? or whatever by the end of 2009 and/or beginning of 2010. Thought that what you said used to be very true , but certainly not these days.
look at this:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/xfx-8800....html?doc=5462
BTW anybody got succes with tighting the timing on these Qimonda mem and if so what are the timing changed at. I would like to combine the timing config with this vmod :-)
..or with loosing the timings for higher overclocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn@ke:~
I got a MSI 8800GT Zilent with that VF1050 zalman cooler but in ATI Tool i get artifacts if i go further than 1025MHz so atm my clocks are at 777/1950/1000 with vGPU voltmod. The vMem voltmod didn't help anything, i went up to 2.3v vMem but i couldnt even squeeze out 10MHz more. Anything higher than 1025MHz gives me artifacts in ATI Tool.
Sorry for bumping this thread, but I've been trying to overclock my card and have heard about this mod.
I've backed up my bios and to my suprise it says that my voltage is already 1.15V
As I'm using Windows 7, can someone of you guys check if this is really true and also is it really possible? Someone told me that voltages can't go over 1.1V
And if you chose 1.15 or 1.2 that voltages drop to 0.95V (?) which is default...
Any ideas?
Thank you for your time!
I know this is a severely thread is old but how come?????
i was able to whip an 8800gt at 800mhz/1030 with only a 9600gt oc???
(bfg 9600 gt oc (not oc2) at 740/1018) on g31 pcie v1.0 mind you!!!!!
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8298/15120266.png
is it 64 bit improvements or have i got a really good one here???
cause i was thinking of grabbing a 8800 gt since it's like 50 bucks now)
or would there be no improvement at all???:(:(:(
just curious
(saving up for a 6870 though):up::up::up:
thanks
If SM3 score is higher than SM2 score, it suggest Disable Post-Processing is enabled
Vista/ W7 is sometimes faster than XP in game tests
Old drivers (pre 18585) are slower in 3D05 and 06
ok thanks i have no idea what post processing is - i only ever benched it on the most basic settings because my first monitor ever was 640x480!!!! believe it or not (have 1080p now)
thanks though:up::up::up:
resolution will have a pretty big effect too :)
quick question:
is alpha-dog 8800 gt better or worse than 8800gt superclocked?????: :confused::confused:
(forgive me funds are low - getting 6870 in new year):up::up:
thanks
just want to be able to play crysis on gamer at 1280x800 and get more than 28 fps (like with my 9600gt)
6870 in new year (only temporary)
Theres no binning, they'll very likely OC the same and the difference in FPS between them will be minimal... buy whichever is cheapest or looks better and OC it :)
thanks - i think the alpha is the 256mb version so the choice is even more clear...at least till 6870 anyway:confused::confused:
thanks;)
TALK about no binning - apparently the new 9800gt is exactly the same as the previous 8800gt - just a name change
here's a Bfg 9800gt oc vs an EVGA 8800gt superclocked edition - EXACTLY THE SAME...
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8601/8800vs9800.png
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the reason i'm mentioneing this is because i thought i was taking a step down by upgrading from a 9600gt oc to a previous generation 8800gt but apparently it's the same thing - just an older naming scheme...good job with the WOOL... :confused::confused:
I guess that's Nvidia at their sunday best
anybody know what's the deal with the missing bandwidth on the 9800 above???
thanks;)
ps: if they're all the same then does that mean a 9800gt at 600/900 would clock exactly the same as 8800gt superclocked edition at 650/950???
cause judging by above they appear to be 100% identical
Wow, that was news two years ago.
9600GT to 8800 GT is an upgrade. 9800GT to 8800GT is the same thing (if at same clocks). Nvidia renamed G92 to hell, even up till the Geforce GTS250 cards.
I see thanks
the only reason i'm looking at cards this old is i can find em for dirt cheap
and it should hold it's water until i get the 6870 later...
i see g92 was also 9800gtx and gts 512
well thanks for the reply..at least i can survive on this card knowing it's not a SIDE GRADE anyways...
thanks:up::up:
don't get me wrong - i'm not outta my mind here - it's just that i found one brand new that a friend never used or opened and i figured it was cheaper than a new 5670 (only temporary though)
thanks
PS: I just happened to score 2 of the old 8800gt's
(one is evga sc 8800gt and the other is alpha dog 8800gt 256 version) - same g92 though
anybody have a problem running em in SLI in this board here
the only one newegg.ca has left by the way???:(:(
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...scrollFullInfo
cause i heard this board can do fsb in the high 400's cause i might dump my g31 775 for this and keep my e5400 at 4.0ghz:cool::cool:
I know newegg and google have reviews but i wanted an opinion from someone that actually knows what they're doing...
i wasn't even gonna bother but i got em basically for nothing so...
seems to have all the necessary options:
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9516/voltage.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3614/jumperfree.jpg
thanks ;););)
They are classed as different cards because of the amount of GDDR each has. You can't SLI them
I SEE well i'll just use the lower one for benches separately, but IF i can find another 512 GDDR3 then i'm good to go????
this makes me miss Crossfire - you could even pair different cards among the same series with different ram and clocks...oh well
I guess thats NVIDIA for you :shakes::shakes::shakes:
ps: any chance i could fool the board by :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing with the bios???
cause i know some guy got a 8800gt and a 9800gt to SLI together ...can't remember where though...
or does bios modding merely only fool the CARD...
cause these are only temp until 6870, they mean nothing to me - and getting another one for 40 bucks if i unload the alpha dog should be easy
EDIT:
I also heard that 8800gt sli is somewhere near hd5770-hd5830 - which is getting into 6800 range anyway so....???
i dunno, just thought it'd be fun...
at least until i can get a 6870 or 6790 or whatever they come out with next spring
thanks
EDIT2: also i know p5n d sucks a major amount of @%$ for overclocking but it HAS to be a step up from g31 anyway
besides i've tried 4850 in crossfire so i figured it would be fun to compare scores, see if i could even break 20000 in 3d mark 06
You *might* be able to tell the 512MB card it's a 256MB, but I wouldn't recommend it... if you flash the BIOS, you do so at your own risk :)
The 9800GT is the 8800GT, flashing that BIOS is different :D
Thanks
hey, i figure for a 40.00 card what's the risk??? (either that or i unload the 256 for 40.00 and grab another 512 / or another 256 (which ever oc's better))
Thanks
any thoughts on the p5n d mate???
i figure it's probably about the oc equivilant of a gigabyte ep45 ud3l which was another cheapo board i used successfully...
looks like 4 phase at least and all the voltages and dram ratio is adjustable
(no vtt/fsb termination though - :(:(:() - but i should at least get what i got on this cheapo g31...
if not then forget it because the next in stock board are the EVGA's starting at 250.00-300.00 big ones....
thanks
btw what if i was to get a 9800 gt instead with the needed 512 (65nm version)Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
and flash it then - would it technically be the same thing - since technically it is??? or is it hit and miss???
cause i know of a 40.00 bfg 9800gt oc a friend may be willing to sell or rather UNLOAD on me...
thanks
sorry for the double post: i guess quotes added in later do that...oops
My thoughts on the P5N-D are not suitable for a family-friendly forum :p:
Your card... your call bro :) Do whatever ya want :D I'd be interested to see if it works
ok that's kind of what i thought too...
for 40.00 bucks why not...
but i'll hang onto the trusty g31 just in case i blow em both AND the board:rofl::rofl:
seriously though - SOME guy i read was able to do and even do benches
i figure if it even can trade blows with two 4830's or two 3870's it's worth a try...
cause then it's like getting a 3870x2 only lower power and only 40.00:D:D:D
but like i said...keepin it cheap here...:clap::clap::clap:
now that i think of it i'll be flashing the cheaper one definitely..since i think it has a defect anyway...
I also have access to a used 9800gtx+ oc by bfg
now technically they are all 8800gt's right???? right up to the gts 250 etc??? (8800, 9800, gt, gts 512, gtx etc)
any chance i could flash either of these cards into thinking it was the other since they are both g92 with the same transisters and nanometers etc????
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/446...gtsceditio.png
or is there even less chance of that...
thanks
My GOD.... that must've been a good 9600gt oc I had...
i scored only 500 pts more in 3dMark 06 and this was with the Superclocked 8800gt (brand new by the way) overclocked to 720mhz and 1036 memory...
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4937/40589823.png
The 9600gt oc was already oc'd by the way and like the 8800gt sc oc'd even further to 740mhz and 1018mhz memory...
but the clocks are close enough
anyways, those 48 more shaders of the 8800gt sc only amounted to 500 more
in the synthetic benchmarks anyway...
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4...lyastepup2.png
Crysis however was where i saw the biggest difference - which is why i upgraded to it anyway - i went from 26-28 fps on Gamer/High with the 9600gt oc (oc'd) to over 46 fps average on the oc'd 8800gt superclocked edition on Gamer/High which was what i wanted...
yeah i know i paid roughly 60.00 for 48 more shaders but you folks were right despite the synthetics it IS an upgrade :clap::clap::clap:
Bill Gates though here, seems to tell me that's it's more of a SIDE-GRADE...:confused::confused:
oh well...
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/5435/anyway.png
Sorry bro, you're wrong. They're all G92, but not all like the 8800GTQuote:
I also have access to a used 9800gtx+ oc by bfg
now technically they are all 8800gt's right???? right up to the gts 250 etc??? (8800, 9800, gt, gts 512, gtx etc)
any chance i could flash either of these cards into thinking it was the other since they are both g92 with the same transisters and nanometers etc????
8800GT and 9800GT have 112SP
8800GTS 512, 9800GTX have 128SP
As far as I know, there is no way to unlock an 8800GT. No-ones ever done it, to my knowledge.
Both 112 and 128SP parts were refreshed to 55nm as G92b but that (for a nice change) makes no difference to inter-card behaviour they will still work with their 65nm stablemates as long as the BIOS is flashed.
Side note... if you want to submit on HWBot, please don't do any of these things. Submitting results with a card pretending to be another card is classed as cheating, regardless of matching specs :)
thanks for the heads up
that 9800gtx+ is my old one from 3 yrs ago anyways - probably on it's last legs by now considering it's been used to hell for all 3 years non-stop...
this 8800gt amazingly i found new, and from what i heard was only installed briefly and ran once...according to the dealer it still has the original warranty and i was told they'd still honour it...
...so obviously no flashing will be done on this one since it's already overclocked anyway...
i just know that locally a friend has a used bfg 9800gt oc in the 40.00 range which unless it's 55nm is EXACTLY THE SAME THING...
i know the clocks on this one are 625 and 900mhz and in the gpuz for bfg 9800gt oc it shows EXACTLY the same bit for bit as the bfg 8800gt oc so i gotta think it's the same exact card with a new price tag slapped on it and a bios refresh...
anyways you told me the cards with same memory and same sp count would work so
8800gt oc should be compatible with 8800gt superclocked - therefore you'd think 9800gt oc would be the same thing - just a flash needed (i hope)
anyways i may try it - it's just the cost of a new motherboard bugs me cause i hate ASUS - AMI bios SUCKS:(:(:( and i never heard anything but grief from nvidia motherboard owners
and then when you add up the cost of a 40.00 9800gt oc, a 100.00 motherboard and a decent 12v30amp 550 watt powersupply you're looking at the cost of a new 6870 anyway - which would probably whip it...:confused::confused::confused:
i dunno let's just see if this 8800gt superclocked can pull it's weight in Crysis from start to at least mid-game anyway - which is where i believe i left off the last time i played it...:clap::clap::clap:
BFG have gone under and are no longer honouring warranty sadly (if thats the card you were talking about)
As for the rest... there's no reason it shouldn't work, if its what ya wanna do :)
no, i heard about bfg, i was referring to the EVGA 8800gt superclocked i got today...i believe EVGA is still surviving...
i guess when they mean "lifetime warranty" they mean only for the life of the company..at least in the case of BFG anyway...
that's unfortunate ...i can now say i've had two successful BFG Nvidia OC's from them......but what i can't believe is that the 9600gt oc by bfg was so good it almost matched an overclocked already oc'd 8800gt sc - only 500pts difference and at the exact same settings, cpu speed, ram speed and resolution...
i now understand why there was such fierce competition between the two
but like i said the 48 extra shaders come in handy in Crysis giving me an extra 15-20fps so i think it's a worthwhile upgrade...:cool::cool::cool:
:p: You didnt compare apples:apples. OS and drivers play a big part in 3DMark. I also still wonder if the 9600GT score is "wrong" :) ;)
i think i'm gonna try SLI (the forbidden one) some guy at nVidia forums where they would, you'd think, frown on it did it successfully
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=167149
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4...t8800gtsli.png
the two i'm gonna try hopefully without flashing (but if it is it will be the cheap one for sure - not the 60.00 one that still has warranty from EVGA intact) are 8800gt Superclocked and a used (heavily) 9800gt OC by BFG...which i found for 40.00 (needless to say i gave the alpha dog away since it was useless anyway and a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty 256mb)...
so i'm gonna go for the only SLI supporting oc-able motherboard available in Canada while it still lasts..
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...&Tpk=775%20sli
the only hit i'm really gonna take is having to endure the AMI bios :(:(:( and the cost of a new 28 Amp Power Supply - which should be enough...
but 200.00 is the most i'm gonna sink into this "fun" experiment
i hope if it fails at least the motherboard survives and all i'll lose is a garbage 9800gt oc - that appears to have a defect anyway - if it works they say it compares to a 5830-5850...
it's either that or i buy just one GTX 275 which obviously would still be more than 200.00
hey you only live once - may as well have some fun...:D:D:D
:cool::cool::cool:
i don't know exactly how i would ever be able to find another new 8800gt superclocked 4 years after the fact, but i imagine like the guy at Nvidia forums who did this successfully, the closest card possible should probably do it..
i'm abandoning the idea of trying to get a BFG card to cooperate with an EVGA card because it reduces the chances of success probably significantly....
the two the guy used in the Nvidia forum were the same manufacturer as it appears so i may have to go evga and as close as i can get it appears...
luckily there are a few floating around the web
like this one here featured previously at newegg.ca and now ebay...
(EVGA 9800gt 512-P3-N975-AR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130380
http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/...380-TS?$S300W$
this bears a striking resemblance to my 8800gt superclocked here which means it's probably the exact same card just refreshed and a new price tag er i mean premium slapped on...:rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=300&uid=706697876
but we'll see
the only bugger will be having to upgrade my psu - but hey as long as it's only around the 200 dollar mark...i'd like to go Gigabyte for the SLI motherboard, but THE ONLY WAY I WOULD FIND ONE is second hand and that's not very likely to happen - edit: actually now that i think of it the 8800gt is actually brand new - i just bought it from someone who never used it....either way;);) hey, it was a lucky find
i'll post back if i can manage to pull this off - and cheaply
edit: there also a lot of talk on Google about how the 8800gt stacks up against the newer 5670 - we'll here is actual proof... yeah i know one's XP and the other 'the new OS' but it gives you an idea... close but no cigar...the 8800 is still better... 57XX series is a whole different story though and btw i've had those also...however as only a casual Crysis gamer it's kind of overkill to me...
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2444/your5670.png
5770 only on the most basic settings @ 4.0ghz
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5558/5770x.png
and yeah i know this is older news but i figured someone who's stuck with an older 8800gt that's on it's last legs or even a 9800gt and considering an upgrade might find this useful
Enjoy;););)
I just went over the figures again and it's actually gonna be about 236.00 in the end to pull this off...
so i had what seemed to be a better idea...
maybe i'll just go for a GTX 470 instead
should healthily beat two 8800's in SLI...
either that or the 6870 since i wouldn't have to buy a new psu (if i was lucky)
they seem to be about neck and neck, but i like the idea of GDDR5 on a 320biit memory bus - something ATI don't seem to have the balls to try yet (and we all know they could)
i dunno - anybody have any opinions on which of the two would be better for Crysis (and only that game)
all i want is 60fps on Gamer/High no AA, no filtering etc - but Gamer nonetheless...
and i'd prefer Nvidia because of the Cuda but ATI stream is fine also
I'm not sure i like that texture fill rate on the 470 though, that's actually LESS than i'm getting now - if it actually makes a difference...(must be an error)
http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/r...TX470_GPUZ.gif
or 6870
http://news.softpedia.com/images/new...-Review-54.jpg
Gotta keep it at about 300.00 or less and yes i would use newegg.ca:shrug::shrug::shrug:
Thank you for your input:clap::clap::clap:
I'm back to this thread because i got something relevant (possibly to the original op - maybe from a BIOS point of view - anyway) ...
oops...something happened - it looks as if i'll have to postpone this...
i will be back with results later
i'm still doing this, it'll just have to wait a little bit....
:up::up::up::up: