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Originally Posted by HermS
Well 450 is what i run 24/7 on my 6400, but i have to do it 1:1 even though my ram can do 600mhz because of the P5B 4:5 bug...
so this would be sweet..
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Originally Posted by HermS
Well 450 is what i run 24/7 on my 6400, but i have to do it 1:1 even though my ram can do 600mhz because of the P5B 4:5 bug...
so this would be sweet..
As you can see in my sig, I have an e6300 @ 3500mhz 9 hours stable. I peak out the fsb at about 528mhz, but temps are too high. From the folks that own this board, would you keep my cheap S3 and be happy, or get the commando with a possibility of the same OC?
What P5B 4/5 bug? I'm running mine @ 424/1060 totally stable. While i've tested it up to 436/1090 and it's mem test stable but not cpu stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
been doing some tests with cascade@-105 with g.skill 512 hz
http://www.net7.info/1/6800/1m.gif
Thats the mem I have!!! Did you use single or dual channel? I'm wanting this board now... Did you use any advanced memory cooling?Quote:
Originally Posted by bazx
@Dani, thanks for picture, what is the highest FSB on your mobo?
@bazx: i have completely the same PI as you, but on P5B ;)
http://ld-phasechange.com/images/x6800/5.JPG
Regards
the ram is dual channel@ 2.5v just a fanQuote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
ld it was about time i used this cascade:D
@bazx: :toast: try some tweaks, you can reach 10.0xx sec with that speed :p:
regards
Not to bother you, but did you have to vmod your board to get that vdimm? I'm guessing no. Looks like thats what is holding me back. I can't decide if I want to modd mine, get a p5b-d or wait for new BIOS's for this board...It never stops does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by bazx
I've looked everywhere for memory "tweaks". Could you point me in the right direction?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
Try 450 fsb and youll probably see.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
Very nice with 2x512.Quote:
Originally Posted by bazx
no it never stops lolQuote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
the commando comes with more then enough vdim altho this one is now vdrop/vmod
but tbh you only need vdrop to hit 5 gig as the m/b will give you 1.8
For me, do you think there is a reason to get a commando vs a p5b-deluxe?Quote:
Originally Posted by bazx
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Originally Posted by bugkalot
bro Up your vcore.. :) and use your multi.. :) your using X6800.. :) hehhehe..
*pm me @ tpc.. :)
:woot:
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Originally Posted by Bludd
squirt and run, unless you wanna stop for a beer
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Originally Posted by Revv23
what you waitin for?
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Originally Posted by Revv23
i have'nt tested but i know a few guys tested the 4:5 with good results, similar to 2:3 in spi. needs further tests and done with 601 bios original release.
Short test with 1:1 (BIOS 0803)
I will finetune more when I have time.
Watercooled CPU / NB
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/ASUS_Com...16FSB_1to1.gif
I got problem when oc 1:1 with my E6300, even my Ram can do well at 1100Mhz , can not pass 490Mhz
What should i do ? increase more Vcore or NB Volt ect ?
I'm at 6x490 , Mem 1:1 5-5-5-13 2.2v
All Volts are at default
looks like a great board.
Jumped to Commando vagon two days ago (after AW9D-MAX) and this is my first result with 601 bios.
http://users.tellas.gr/~georgefilos/...S/Commando.JPG
A quick test for 445FSB, 4:5 ratio :)
Can never be done by my P5B-D, it was sold.
http://bbs.ocqq.com/attachments/foru...feGLPZVAOc.jpg
Here are my 24/7 settings. Watercooled CPU & VGA.
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2...m247tq2.th.jpg
Oooooh lots of results coming in now, good work fellas... all of you! :toast:
@Dani: 516FSB is this Memory limit or mobo limit? What is your highest FSB on that mobo for superPI?
regards
Hey again, guys.
I applied silicone to the coil thing a few days ago, and apparently it hasn't helped; I can still hear the squeal/buzz. Should I try to coat the other coil thing closer to the CPU? The sound is getting slightly annoying when I have to work in the same roo m and not have music on. :)
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Originally Posted by swiftex
I can't decide between this and the quad GT.
I think ill get the GT, as it's way better clock for clock, and it also handles 4:5 really well. Aslo it's $20 cheaper. :)
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Originally Posted by Bludd
Yeah, odds are it happens with different or multiple coils for everyone, because they are all the same coils, so it's probably random which one makes the buzzing noise.
I'm leaning that way as well. Plus the QuadGT has a 1067 strap option that helps ALOT according to AnandTech. But the buggy BIOS will stop me for now. Both of these boards need new BIOS before I consider either. No more waiting on a new BIOS before i can be stable like with my S3.:nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
I'm in the same train with u. Even though i'm really happy with my P5B (at least with my oc'ed settings), i have it since its release and i'm getting a bit bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
I'll definitely stay on 965, so i was considering either Commando or QuadGT leaning towards QuadGT for 1066 strap but i wouldn't like getting a m/b and wait for a bios...
Seems to be SuperPI 535FSB 1:1, mobo limited or CPU, but I think it's mobo because I had to use 2.025V MCH to reach 535FSBQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
FSB rises quite linear when you put higher MCH.
This is on BIOS 0803, haven't tested earlier versions.
Btw, PM me or mail me about those rotarys/money ;)
2.025v vmch to reach 535mhz @ 1:1? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
My P5B with 1.65v max can reach 525mhz and a friend of mine with a commando reaches 530mhz with lower than 1.7v (can't remember exactly).
Yes, it sad but true.
I think I'm limited by mobo :(
MCH @ 1.80V = SP1M 523FSB
If it does better with same cooling on another board yes but i do think every unmodded 965 board wil do 550/60 at least if cpu can handle it. I bet it wil do higher if cpu is colder on this board.
Any Guru - Expert could share some info - tweak about DDR2 Reference Voltages???
I will test tomorrow with -10ºC water :D
I think 550/560 is a bit on the high side. I would say 520-540.Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
im thinking the same way, on one hand its awesome to have 1t and 1066 performance on a 965 board but on the other it sucks that a $200 board comes with a bios that most would consider alpha at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
Still not enough information to know which board works best with a QX6700 yet for me to make my decision.
The commando is probably the front runner at the moment, but all other contenders are still so new that their BIOS' havent yet matured to give the QX6700 a fair go.
And DFI's 965 still doesn't have a release date :(
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Originally Posted by Dani
I think it's the board too bro. My first commando max out at 535 with 1.7v set in bios (didnt try any higher). However, the 2nd commando can do 550 with 1.67v set in bios. So i think you need 2.025v just to get 525 is the board not cpu. :)
vcore 1.53v
nb 1.67v
vdimm 2.45v
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...8mb_550fsb.jpg
Are these results with Maze4 on the chipset?Tommorow i'll get one or the mcw30.
I was in the same boat as you two but i decided to go with the commando when i started seeing people having issues running over ddr1100 on the quadgt and the ide issues didnt win me over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
I may buy the board later on but i'll wait and see if abit decides to support it or leave it in the wind like the aw9d-max.
some scores to share
vcore->1.67v
vnb->1.5v
vfsb->1.3v
vddr->2.5v
cpu cooler->coolermaster geminii
fan->sanyo denki 104CFM x 2
room temp->20C
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7...mhzpi1mef7.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8...mhzpi32qa9.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3...mhzcinele6.jpg
Nice. Wil have a go at 4-4-4 and 5-4-4 soon. Anybody seen over 460 FSB 4/5 on P5B or Commando yet? With P5B dlx:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/4-5.jpg
here
460FSB 4:5
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3559/460fsb45lm0.jpg
:D
Very very nice :D Curious at what FSB it wil max out.
DDR2@4:5->460FSB...Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
DDR2@1:1->525FSB(my Conroe needs better temps to go further :( )
I have tried 480FSB, 4:5, seems my rams hold me back, it is not stable at DDR1200, even at 2:3Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
raise up the some of the voltages can help doing 480FSB, 4:5!
http://bbs.ocqq.com/attachments/foru...WzaJURU3V5.jpg
Some Allendale action:
V_NB @ max, unfortunately I think that NB had just hmm... degraded after that, not stable @ 400 FSB 1,25V @ NB, my 24/7; before it was Orthos stable 13h+ on these settings :(. The temperature was OK, about 10 degrees lower on 2,025V @ NB than without addidtional cooling (Winter Cooling + some fans) in my 24/7 conditions.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9752/16mtz7.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/304/32mry4.jpg
Tried almost every possible combination regarding voltages, mem can do 610 mhz, cpu 580 fsb but max for me is 453 for 4/5. With unmodded P5B that is. Commando is doin good.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleLaLa
My old P5B-D even can't do 430FSB@4:5 so I let it go :DQuote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
Too much fun to just let it go :D
very nice :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleLaLa
im stuck at 460FSB ( 4:5) hehehe
thats the board i was waiting for
Crucial 6400 @ 1280mhz :D
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9364/ddr21280ix3.jpg
DDR2 @ 1300mhz
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=165493
Kenstfield @ 480FSB
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=165497
Do you have any other mods on that mobo or only vdroop mod?
regards
i think the only mod needed is the vdroop (vcore @ 1.8v ,vnb @ 2.0v and vddr @ 3.2v+ is enough :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
my board is unmoded
Finally satysfying 1M on Allendale, air cooling (Winter Cooling ;)), 2,025V @ NB and 502 FSB @ 1066 strap: (P5B-Dlx 514,6 FSB => 13,985s, very hard to get <14s)
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4892/1mog8.jpg
So I think my chipset hadn't degraded (as I said on previous page), but the new beta BIOS is setting subtimings 4-35-10-10-10-11 (the first one is important), even if @ BIOS I set 5-35-10-10-10-11 (according to MemSet) and this is causing instability, 1,300V @ NB to get FSB 400 stable is working fine for me ATM.
Veri Nice score :)
Is 2:3 really is a good divider for ~650 @ cas5 with this board? Mine seems to have stability problem running it at those speed. I know my ram can do 650 @ cas5 with the p5b-d and 680i. Feels like it's the board that's holding it back.
These are nice results. What is your core voltage?Quote:
Originally Posted by JMKS
1,700V @ BIOS, probably ~1,63V load or sth (under Pi16M the temperature is ~50°C I think ;)) and to increase this (this is a RoG issue...) I must set @ BIOS 1,7625V which gives real V ~1,74V or VDroop mod my board, which I'm yet not ready for ;). But on this V my CPU had done 16M (32M probably it would too) @ 4080MHz on P5B-Dlx (and CPU wall ~510 FSB so nothing more to improve in frequency, voltage is just enough for this).Quote:
Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
But on Commando NorthBridge is limiting me (1066 strap, this is the only way to improve scores), still stock cooling (+ low ambient and multiple fans everywhere), maybe I will buy an HR-05 soon ;).
BTW, I have a question related too replacing stock cooling. I'm curious to know if I must put something on MOSFETs, on which the heatsink was (the one with the optional "WC or passive cooling" fan), or can I just ignore this? I think that on the other side of the LGA are similar MOSFETs not cooled in any way. And I saw that some users with custom cooling had cooled these things, but is it really necessery?
And a little update, same hardware settings as before:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8110/1mwi1.jpg
1.7v on standard cooling? I wouldn't expect that chip to last very long, no?
No, no, of course not! :)
Mobo cooling is stock ATM (NB temperature on 2,025V is about 10-12 degrees lower than @ 1,25V with only the Asus fan with "normal" ambient temp), CPU cooled by Scythe Infinity (+ Winter Cooling when benching) and the temperature is pretty low even on this V ;).
24/7 3,2GHz @ 1,3125V (under load real ~1,26V), ~46°C under Orthos.
There is no divider 4:3 or 3:2 ? In case i wanna max out my CPU not Mem
I saw only 1:1 , 2:3 , 3:4 , 4:5 ect ....
1:1 is minimi
ok , thx. My first time on Intel wagon :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dani
I run my mosfet area naked with no additional cooling and so far i've had no stability or overheating issues. Almost 2 weeks now.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMKS
has somebody the same problem and cant clock over 533FSB with Commando?
I tested 6 CPUs (X6800, E6600 & E6400) and all cpus hang @ 533FSB :(
Definitely a board specific issue Chris, mine topped out at 550 (straight boot) on the 0601 shipping bios. I know you've probably tried all the logical steps to get higher, so I'm at a loss as to what to suggest. :confused:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q148/JAFFA22/550.png
argh ok, i think i order a second commando. I hope it do more :D
edit: can you boot with 550FSB?
Yes mate, straight into windows, didn't try clockgening from there, but I'm sure it can go further.
i can boot @565 & bench 8x589 (e6600) on my p5b dlx...
If I could get my S3 to push my e6300 that high I wouldn't even think about looking for a new board. ANY board that can get me that high I will buy. I'm pretty sure that my board is the limiting factor that is keeping me from getting higher than 3700mhz (528mhz fsb). It'll boot at 532mhz, but won't go into windows. I could try to clockgen higher, but I think that is kinda "cheating". I just want a board that will let me see what my ram can really do.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by doom_st
Up the two SB voltages........at least that was the case for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
I might be a good comparison since I had the Quad for a few weeks (got the day it came out) and recently rma'd it due to the massive raid bios problems and the onboard nic went out. Minus those problems it was a solid board though, but now I have the Commando. So I'll be able to compare a straight up swap with all components between both boards.
One small thing I've noticed is that the Everest memory performance on the Commando is quite a bit slower at the same speed and timings. I have 2GB of the G.Skill-6400. I'm still playing around with the subtimings, but has anyone else noticed the speeds to be a bit slow? I'd like to run ddr2-900 and 4-4-4-12 (my Quad ran my e6400 at 8x450 all day at) but I'm not sure what to set everything else at to get similar speeds. I've got things at 4-4-4-12-5-30-10-10-10-11 right now. So any suggestions would be appreciated, or any advice on other settings that might help such as spread spectrum (which I usually disable) or especially static read control.
\o_ <-- me here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
535FSB is max here SP1M, but now I have another Commando and will test it today :)
I just got that mobo, testing tomorrow on Rotary unit ;)
http://ld-phasechange.com/images/har...Commando/2.jpg
regards
I have read most of this thread, though I skimmed some of it, and it seems the Commando is quite the motherboard. However, the question that begs to be answered is, is the Asus Commando Motherboard a better overall motherboard than the P5B Deluxe? IOW, is it worth the extra 30-40 bucks?
Thanks and sorry if this was already asked.
i am torturing myself :) between getting the Abit QuadGT and the Commando.
i am not sure if i want to fool with the coil twisting or accept getting a slightly flaky bios with the QuadGT...although, Abit has a beta bios out since the 19th of january...haven't heard how that is doing.
Slightly flaky(BIOS on QuadGT) is an understatement, but OK, point taken ;) On the other hand, my Commando doesn't buzz, only a few do the buzzing and it can be fixed easily.
The only advantages of the Abit over the ASUS are the 1066 strap all the way(hence no support for the 1333 FSB Core2, at least not yet) and the no vdroop,(OK, maybe the AWARD BIOS is a bit more friendly, if you consider that an advatage, and the uGuru comes handy if you want to spend time adjusting fan speeds and voltages in Windows, though I have no idea why would you want to do that) other than that the QuadGT is a lesser board any way you look at it.
I think calling the QuadGt a lesser board is pretty extreme. I just consider it a new flavor of P965 for those that arent going to be pushing high fsbs.
If you do want to run high fsb though you'll realize pretty quickly that the abits memory issues over 550mhz are going to piss you off. If i had cheap ram and used air cooling i most definately would have gone with the quadgt. But since i needed a board that was reliable and capable of pushing 500fsb easy i had to go with the commando.
The only thing thats kind of getting on my nerves are the quadgt owners that believe their boards are better overclockers because the board uses the 1066 strap and its just not that cut and dry.
Just because commando doesnt have the 1066 strap option in the bios doesnt mean that you cant run it on the commando. Its been know for months now, boot 400fsb and clockgen up. Its not all that difficult.
The main thing they're failing to see though is that if the quadgt can only give you a max of 475x8 but the commando can get you 487x8 even on the 1333 strap. The tighter strap your running is negated by the fact that your cpu runs faster on the commando. So for me the choice was tighter strap vs higher oc and i'll take the higher oc any day because thats what'll truely give me better performance across the board and not only in superpi.
Mr. Deeds, a Chi-town native huh? I was just there today on business (I am from WI...that's right, I am a cheesehead). It sounds like the Commando is working magic for you. Would you recommend it for someone who wants to OC his e6600 to the max (me)? I am eying that board and the P5B deluxe but don't want to pay the extra $40 for nothing.
I cant say its for nothing, i've previously owned a p5b-deluxe also.
Pros to the Commando over the P5B-Deluxe
Much higher vdimm voltages in bios.
The on board power buttons.
The bios is just more oc friendly than the one on the P5B-Deluxe.
The digital pwm area makes it alot easier on someone that has to insulate the socket area.
Other than those things your pretty much getting a P5B-Deluxe. If you dont care about any of those things then you should probabaly just buy the P5B-D.
You can find the commando at e-wiz for $215 if you are still interested in getting that board.
well, i do consider the Vdroop a big thing...it is important in my book!...as for the eye candy, the uGuru, i can take it or leave it...no factor for me in my evaluation...on the other hand, i love all the voltage options the commando offers....as for the buzzing, sure, i can twist a little hoping i don't over do it...i've given up on doing mods...i've done enough with success and FAILURE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandrus
i am not out to impress anyone anymore...i want a good solid board that will do a moderate overclock with a Quad core....i really want to see the results of a quad core on the abit board...anandtech will have another update on the QuadGT with a quad core in about 7-10 days.
i don't believe you have a lot of people who like to boost the overclock from windows to get the remainder of the performance boost...i am one in a camp of many who like to set the bios and let it rip...don't mess with it afterwards!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDeeds
i wish we could in some way wager on this and then, it could be settled...your commando at 8x487 and a QuadGT at 8x475...i would say it would be a tie since the QuadGT is working the 1066 strap and you are working the 1333 strap...now, if you boot at 400 FSB and then clockgen it up in windows to 487 (if you could make it, i doubt it)..then you would win:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDeeds
I will be cooling the e6600 with a Tuniq Tower 120 and am basically looking for the most overclockable board for $250 or less. If the Commando is it I will be more than happy to pay the $215 e-wiz charges. Otherwise does anyone else have any suggestions?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDeeds
Guys does anybody had the same problems :(
http://shrani.si/thumbs/picture001t1bf.jpg
regards
what the hell ...... :eek: RMA it asap !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
My Commando has no problem
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Originally Posted by LittleDevil
you have no luck ...
i had this with first boot on E+
http://www.pt1t.net/P5Beplus/cram%E9e.JPG
Bad, i was running PC about 2 hours, fresh windows install and than i smell it :mad:
regards
I don't mean the QuadGT is a lesser board when it comes to OC, I just mean it is missing a lot of features that the Commando has. Like voltage options, second Gigabit LAN, reset CMOS button(boy, that is handy) and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDeeds
As for the uGuru, it's quite usefull if you want a 24/7 silent PC, but for that ASUS has pretty much the same features.
Having had the Quad and the now the Commando and direct swapping everything, at least for me to be honest the Quad is just a bit better overclocker. I could hit the same speeds at about .05 less voltage on the vcore and nb, and get about 10 MHz higher on the fsb on the Quad. However, the bios problems on the Quad far outweigh that. And nope, raid is defintely not fixed in the latest beta bios from Abit.
Having said that, if Abit got their QC issues straightened out and fixed the bios problems I'd probably take the Quad back over the Commando even up. But I still can't believe they released a board with such a major bios problem where the ICH8R raid is essentially unusable. There are a few other minor bios problems on the Quad that aren't fixed in the latest beta bios either.
So I'm a happy Commando owner and I can say that it's alot more solid with far fewer quirks.
hey!...this happened to me when i got the Foxconn 975X their AB version to work with the dual core...i ran it about 5-10 hours before it did something very similar, burning up a mosfet around the PCIe video card slot....you talk about jumping out of a seat when the fire and smoke started to shoot up about 12 inches above the board...holy-cow!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
i think less Vdroop with the Quad was the reason for a slightly better overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by masonardo
Well mine died after 5min od playing with it...it shuts off and after i powred it i get "CPU Init" and a burned smell...that mosfet looks ok i dont know wth happend...Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
By the way, BIOS 0803 goes official, it's now on ASUS's site with a full changelog.
ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socke...mmando0803.zip
I got one installed today from NE & it makes that noise everybody is talking about. Very disapointed about it, cant OC my RAM either.
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Originally Posted by LittleDevil
thats bad :( ,stock clocks and volts?
Hiouston we've got a problem........
803 bios and 4/5 divider don't mix.Anything from 420 bus and above with 4/5 is a no go - repeat - NO GO!!! No matter what volt or timming combinations the board does not fire up and if it does it goes crazy on and off again.
With 702 i could go all the way up.803 seems to me it's only for hi bus 1:1.
The bad thing is you can't roll back to previous bioses but i'm waiting for Joebar to tell me a way.
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Originally Posted by Varsos
430x9 4:5 divider on 0803 works like a charm for me
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=643