will do im starting at 401 and moving my way on up to see where it's stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
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will do im starting at 401 and moving my way on up to see where it's stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
so where is all the noise this board was supposed to be making i dont see hardly anyone talking about this baord now..
hmm makes ya wonder... :rolleyes:
hi lestat,
yeah it's a curious board in some regards, it can bench and boot up quite well at reasonable fsb's over 420fsb. Stability however is in the eye of the beholder and each to their own. The problem I'm having is that my usual testing methods of 8 hours of Orthos (blend test) are not working too well with this board. I've used all the bios tricks and XP methods I know.
Many users are happy with super pi stability as long as it allows them to run their systems for everyday use (which is fair enough and I never argue with that).
For the larger audience here the board is fine as a lot of people have different demands and XS is really about pushing to the max.
Some of the people I deal with have different demands which is why I have to be a little more stringent in my testing, it's horses for courses to be honest.
The bios is definatley jerky in comparison to some other boards I have tested with same methods....
you often find that the real core user results start to flood in when the hype and dust of a product settles. A lot of people I know are happy with 3.6ghz overclocks that can be held unconditionally for 24 hours. There are no real hardware tests one can run to guarantee that success in all it's elements. However I find a broad range of tests - superpi (dual 32m), Orthos (8 Hours blend stress), S&M stress (100% load), 3d marks and gaming) help you get an idea.
It all depends on the audience and demands I guess..
My post here is just to confirm that my findings are not unique to my system, therefore pushing Abit a little for a better bios for the whole overclocking community and not just a single forum of users..
regards
Raja
OK so not so good for prolonged crushing tests... well hoping for a BIOS to take care of it. BTW, I have gone ahead and sold my P5B-DLX (430X9 done). Ordered ABIT from EWIZ.COM and it will take sometime for da board to fly few thousand miles and come to me. Gonna get dat water-cooling going once again.
i just ordered this board through my local supplier.. although i'm wondering whether it can beat ocability of my biostar 965p deluxe, but i hope this board is at least stable @ 400x8 coz i can run my E6400 at stock vcore at that speed with the biostar :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by irenic
It all depends on what you call stable my friend.
What we need is users to provide screenshots of dual orthos blend test if they can for 8 hours, just to see if it's specific ram, multipliers or even cpu's that do better or worse. I have contacted ABit and await a reply...
Like I said for the core users at XS it's no big deal as pushing superpi and other benchmarks may be the desired action, but in other circles people have different criteria and tests. So the board is still good no doubt. I just think it needs a better overall bios, which ABIT can provide us far more effectivley (hopefully) if we have lots of results from different users highlighting the issues....
It's the users that hold the power, if all the hype and bechmarking is in one direction, it takes a while before the issues start to surface. In the past, we have seen many boards not do so well in the long run, as people work against each other rather than together. I have my own forum which has only just launched, but as it is of small membership, there is no way I can compile results like I can at XS, that's why I'm asking everyone to chip in if they think it's worth trying, (i never work against other forums as seems to be the current worldwide fashion). Either way it at least presents a lesson to the manufacturer for future releases.. (though ultimatley I'm probably wasting my time and the better side of my nature by trying)...
regards
Raja
raju,
Its nice to see I'm not alone with higher demands of my hardware. Super PI is nice and all but my bare minimum is 4 hours orthos stable for me to be somewhat satisfied with an overclock.. My chip was 12 hours orthos stable with 1.475v set in bios & as much vdroop as 1.440v. I can't get the same chip to do 400 X 9 past 2hrs on the abit using 1.50vcore even with the board overvolting. My testing of this board tells me you have to throw out all your previous settings when overclocking this board because instead of the vdroop being vcore, on this board its the mch. Then as you up the mch the passive cooling becomes the problem. I've ordered the Microcool Northpole XE & Microcool ChipSinks, the Cooler Master Blue Ice Pro, & the Swiftech MCX159-CU Extreme Duty w/ 40mm fan. I also ordered the HSPC Techstation. I'm going to remove my board from the case, change the chipset cooling and remove heat as the limiting factor for overclocking this chipset.(I'm beginning to believe my asus faired a bit better due to the fan over the mosfets) Unfortunately I have but two kits of ram, one is a 1 GB kit of Corsair 5400C4 rated 4-4-4-12 that have no trouble running PC6400 @ same timings(Ram Guy @ Corsairs IC inquiry thread stated the sticks have Micron-ST DDR2-667CL4 Rev D Die's) & G. Skill HZ's which I believe are based on the same micron revison D dies.
Okay I'm rambliing, what I'm tyring to say is, I'm not happy with the overall performance of this board, moving it to test bed and going back to the P5W DH as my gamer. I will get some results posted for you Raja if it passes prime for 4 hours.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
thank you, please try for 8 hours if you can, though 4 will be great if that's your thing (i'm flexible and understanding). Make sure it's blend test (stress cpu and ram) I use orthos as it seems to do everything neatly in one package...
At least you guys are willing to help for the benefit of all users...
respect
Raja
The Nemesis and Raju,
the same holds for me. couldn't get it past 3.5 hours double prime so far. I've increased the vmch to 1.8v and priming now. But I also loosen my ram timings to 3338 from 3334 at 2.45v. This board seems very sensitive to ram settings. Couldn't get it to run 4:5 unless under 900mhz for the rams; seems smoothest with 1:1.
The board was tuned for 1:1 performance via Gary Key (anandtech) and Abit for d9 series of ram, he did a lot of work with Abit on this board pre-release, even under his warning they decided to push it out into the market, knowing it was not completley ready for the max badge, other than some single superpi runs and a few dual super pi runs by users here and Gary, that he managed to get going quite well. He had to get some of his ram timings reset by the vendors and they worked a lot better after that.
After that the bios went out via a couple of forums and we all started to hit some nice super pi times with tight timings (myself included). In order to complete my review for Abit I needed to run Orthos stability tests too as there are people who need a broad range of tests rather than just a single type to buy a product and consider it's intrinsic worth. During the Orthos runs I found the max fsb was a lot lower than I had expected considering the super pi abilities, Gary had already made me aware of the 1:1 divider being the best. Despite the trend of bashing reviewers I always try to encourage them to share as much as they can with us, and I've always found Gary to be helpful in this regard.
sorry for my rants here, I just felt there was a lot to be cleared up...
regards
Raja
Thanks for the info, Raju. If I managed to prime for 8 hours, I'll post here again.
This may not help much, but hey, something is something.
Just ran X6800 @ stock 11x / 272fsb (this is what this board defaults to when all is on auto) with 1.32V (reads 1.35 in windows/uguru and which is the lowest option available in bios), mem Gskill 2GBHZ 2:3 with 2.05V for 8 hours prime95 stable. Ran 2 instances of superPI 32M and all was stable.
Reboot and set 13x multi for 3536MHz with 1.32V (1.35 in windows), boots straight into windows; run superPI 32M no worries, manual reboot back into bios set 14x multi 3808MHz with 1.32V, boots straight into windows then reboots to a black screen. Manual shutdown, restart and go back into bios and set 13x with 1.32V and boots back into windows. Run dual prime and second core fails after 2 minutes. Back to bios and set 1.35V (1.38V in windows), back to dual prime and core 2 fails after 15 minutes. Back to bios and 1.375V (1.4V in windows) and core 2 fails after 35 minutes. Restart dual prime and core 1 fails after 10 minutes :nono: Temps were hitting low 50's under full load (air cooling with 28C ambient temps) so I didn't want to put more Vcore through it till I get a better heatsink (still be air though, Iv'e had it with water, too much of a hassle).
Point is superPI means JACK in regards to stability. If an oc can't pass prime/dual prime or looped 3DMark for hours on end the it isn't a stable oc. My rigs for gaming and it needs to be stable.
Also I feel this board has some ram issues, be they spd programing/compatibility or whatever. It needs more tweaking on the part of Abit's bios writers to iron out the bugs and get this thing running to it's MAX potential.
I am using the beta 13 bios which gives all the multies but atm I'm unfamiliar with Intel ocing and the 975 chipset and it's settings having just come back from 2 years witn AMD. Never been an extreme ocer anyway so just disgard all that I have said if in fact it's nothing more than hog wash.
thanks for all that info Lowdog, it's helpful and confirms my findings.
I think what has happened of late is that many of the guys here at XS who hold the drive for marketing and presenting new products, are such good overclockers that they have different criteria than some of the more relaxed guys (who still make up a very large part of the market outside XS).
What ultimatley happens in some cases is that products are brought based solely on single super pi runs and quick fsb shots, which does not always reflect what all of us need to see, but we all get excited by the results regardless.
I see the viabilty of both approaches in the market as they both sell motherboards. But we need to try and work together to get things up to a standard so that people get their money's worth... I hope I'm not offending anyone here with my very open minded views...
regards
Raja
Raja you hit the nail on the head!!! It definitly has memeory issues.here are my results with this board. My highest orthos stable(8hrs +) oc is 11 x 355 my highest 1:1 FSB stable is 392fsb. Now using OC guru I can boot into windows at 440 fsb 1:1 and play games run superPi , sandra for hours but this fails othos in 2 seconds every time. Anything over 400 fails othos in 2 seconds ,I have tried 3 sets of ram. LowDog where did you get beta 1.3 with the unlocked multi for the 6800?Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
Why is it that I can only run my ram at 1:1 at DDR553 with strap setting of 1066 giving me 272MHz. This ram is DDR800 rated for 400MHz :confused:
If I run it with the 2:3 divider it's 400MHz but gives worse bandwidth scores than 1:1 @ 272MHz.
Shouldn't 1:1 be the DDR2800 setting? Sory but it's all a bit beyond me atm. :(
AFIK it's the 1066 strap, to run 1:1 you have to use the ddr533 memory settting. to run ddr667 1:1 you need a 1333 strap like some of the badaxe boards. do you have a link to the 1.3 beta?
Tony has a guide somewhere which you can look up bro'. There are many things which decide the dividers and there overall abilities and there are obviously issues that both ram vendors and mobo makers need to work out on this new platform. The bios auto sets a lot of the chipset latencies and secondry timings based on fsb and divider, Tony and his friends put up a very good article on this over at bleeding edge forums...
regards
Raja
I'll check with who I got it from and if they say it's ok then I let you know. It was given to me in good faith to not disclose the source, so at this point in time I'll just have to wait till I get the ok as to whether I can divulge that info or not. Sorry for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsy
Thats cool, at least I know they are working on it and it close. Thanks lowdogQuote:
Originally Posted by lowdog
i had no problem running 10 hours small FFT and 10 hours blend at 400X9. Havent tried any higher though...
Hi Budwise
Could you please try blend test for me over 400fsb? for some reason it won't work as well (not for me anyway). Again I understand it's not your citeria for stability and respect that...
regards
Raja
If you mange to get a lot higher than 400fsb for 8 hours or so on blend can you please tell us what cpu, divider and ram you are using, so that we can see any patterns (should they exist)...
i'll give it a go when i have some time to mess with it. Today is my 8th day in a row to work! YAY
now can somebody tell me about those different clocks? is it a bug? or can't i run my e6700 with 6-9x O_o
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../abit_11ef.jpg
thanks my friend, i hope someone can pop the 400fsb or so on blend, looking forwards to your screenshots.
thanks for taking the time in the first place...
regards
raja
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keiki
that is strange they are all reporting different speeds, is c1e and speedstep switched off in bios?
regards
Raja
raju: yes they are OFF and 340mhz is the right speed so dunno what's up with core temp and orthos O_o and i can't boot from bios with over 320mhz with 6-9x multi..for example with 6x and let's say 350mhz i get 582x6 in bios...but with 320 i can get to windows and raise the clock in there. and with 320mhz they already say it's 399 so this is just so weird..
Hi Keiki,
I think you were right about there being some kind of multiplier bug in the bios, misreporting the actual speed to certain programs... Hopefully we'll see a fix for that too...
regards
Raja
yea i hope they do fix this but one thing still bothers me and that is that previous owner of this board had it running @9x440 what seems to be max with this and he did test it with 8x400 and no problems like this BUT he used some 1.2beta and i didn't even test with it just flashed it to 1.2 from abit site >_< so no bug in beta and bug in official release?Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
It depends what they changed betwenn beta and final. At least we know 13 beta is in circulation, so perhpas that will bring some changes?
regards
Raja
oh yeah there was one thing i was going ask too and that is about those leds on this board, i mean i like little *bling* *bling* but i think abit over did it this time. what's everyone elses opinion?
I don't mind them actually, they're ok, i guess they're a nice addition..... Maybe everyone likes something different, but it looks quite nice in my case....
regards
Raja
edit orthos has got to 5hours 42 mins so far at 3554mhz (395fsb), will post screenshots when it gets to 8 hours....
it also happens to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keiki
Like i said before multi 6x500 shows 6x638 in post, multi 7x400 shows 7x450, and so on.... Cpu-z Reads the speed correctly but orthos does not. i think that maybe orthos doesn't know what multi you are using. if i use 8x400 it gives a speed of 3608, which is what i get from 9x400.
I'm also having problems with the 400Fsb barrier... :(
i've tried 8x400 @ 3-3-3-8 with 2.7Vdimm and 2vMch and it ran for 25 minutes, will let try to see if it does 8hours. but 9x400 no matter the Voltages and timings it always blows up after a couple of seconds...
I'm using the stuff in the sig. i even thought it has heat problems so i've used 2 fans on the ram and chipset (i was already using 1)... but still nothing.
Also i found that i can't do anything if the memory clock is higher than 1000 (with the 667 divisor)
HI Patuga,
you're findings are like mine. I'm 20 mins away from 8 hours at 395fsb on the 9 multi. I'll post that here when done.
What I will do is run 3d mark06 at this speed.
Then I shall go over 400fsb (where Othos blend test fails) and rund 3d mark 06 and games.
My cpu can do 3.825 stable on the Asus no probs, with my ram at 4-4-4-12 @ 4:5
The current bios revisions are only really good for the 1:1 divider on the Abit I'm afraid...
I want to see if I can find how much the stability is over 400 even though Orthos fails (I think there is a connection, even though it does not matter to all of us)..
I'm really impressed with the response I've got from you guys here, I did not expect so many people to come forwards with so much info, thanks to all.
All we need now is some screenshots for those that can go over 400fsb Orthos, so that we can see what hardware combinations are working better on the current bios revisions...
regards
Raja
great thread and thanks for leading the discussion!Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
i have my abit board but no cpu at the moment.
seems like no one has tried the crucial ballistix pc6400 2x1 gig set. i will have that + an ES e6700 running on this board.
i'll be sure to follow along and post my results as soon as i can.
How's this multi of the CPU?......:D
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/C...0_huge_png.png
3-2-2-1?
WOW! :woot:
Very nice, Hipro.
Btw, how much VDimm?
DDR Maximizer,right?
many people seem to have a very wrong idea regarding theQuote:
Originally Posted by raju
term "stability". Stability is not defined arbitrarily as some seem to think. It
has exactly one definition: proper function. If a computer works properly,
not matter what clock, no matter what program, no matter for how long,
it has achieved 'stability' by definition. Notice there is no reference to prime95, Orthos, Super PI, or any other particular program.
for example, my cousin uses his
computer only to read email and browse the web. He has never run Orthos, doesn't even know what it is. But his E6600/P5B deluxe combo works
perfectly at 3.8 Ghz, so it is stable at 3.8 Ghz, and will as long as it doesn't crash, even if all he does is boot into windows and look at the wallpaper.
okay passed 8 hours 395fsb on Orthos blend,
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/3366/395fsbgr3.jpg
will try higher for gaming and 3d marks, as Orthos blend is no go over 400fsb....
regards
Raja
Quote:
Originally Posted by roller11
that's why i said it's in the eye's of the beholder.....:)
we have to remember that everyone has different demands from their pc, there is also a demand for orthos stabiltiy, it does not matter who's stability is best, that's personal. It's just that there is a group just like there is a superpi group, or a group that just reads emails. Therefore the testing cannot be regarded as obselete for everyone. We live and let live... Co-existence does not have to be painful, if you have tolerance. We are merley trying to experiment with every facet of the board, so that reviews can target more users daily needs too, there will never be a universally accepted format, but one has to have enough of an open mind to consider other testing means as valid if their use becomes justified to a community and if the test holds it's credibility in technical terms. Considering all of this there is no reason why Orthos should be considered any worse than anything else, it just satisfies a certain target audience....
I applaud Hi-pro's results, he's a friend of mine and I have been pestering him for mods to this board so that I may use it with the Maximiser (which I have too), that at least should prove I have an open mind....
regards
raja
hipro5: new bios? cause in cpu-z it says on date 9/28 :)
the date show it is is the new bios with upper multi unlock :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keiki
Yes new bios.......Soon to be released in BETA.....This is an ALFA and it seems to be pretty good so far.....:)
/me wants it :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
also, raju...
what voltages are you using?
Yes DDR Maximizer......Low Vdimm cuz of the low ram frequency.....Only 2.6Vdimm....At 2.70Vdimm those two 8000ULs can do 434MHz with the timmings you're seeing....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
were you able to get past the 458fsb limit you had before??Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Sorry bios is an ALFA and under NDA.....:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Patuga
When BETA comes out, you'll get it for sure......anytime soon.....;)
Voltages are a bit high cuz of the CPU.....:( 1.87VCore, 1.95VMCH (real), 2.6Vdimm and 1.7Vfsb/VCCA....
Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
My stability test is Oblivion, on my P5W DH I am Orthos stable at 3.94Ghz but it wont play oblivion stable over 3.6Ghz. Ive just got a P5B Delux after seeing all these 550+ FSB shots and at best i can boot at 3.84Ghz and prime but its flaky at best in oblivion. I had the Asus P5W64 for a couple of days but it reported cpu temps +30 deg so I darnt push it and rma'd.
Im now wondering how this abit board would cope with Oblivion, but im coming round to thinking ill never play it at my targeted 4Ghz even though my 6600 will do it easily.
lol i was asking the voltages raju was using to get 395fsb in his tests... but i guess in wouldn't hurt asking you the same... just to have a slight comparison point... if one can even compare to you.... voltage freak :p: :banana: /jk
Haven't tested it yet to be sure.....I may do it tomorrow though.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Patuga
P.S. CellShock 2 x 1GHz 8000C4 Rams, gives me a latency of 36.8s, if I remember well in Everest..... 1:1 config and 3-3-3-1 at about 444MHz.....I'll try them tomorrow at higher frequency to see how they are doing.......;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patuga
hi,
used 1.56 in bios for vcore (can probably go with less) and 2.25 vdimm for Cruical Ballistix 3-3-3-12 2gb pc5300 kit.
here's something else pass at 420fsb 3d mark 06 using 1.61 vcore with ram timings on spd (1:1)....
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2...asscruciu2.jpg
regards
raja
Are you using x1900 x-fire Raju ?
yes with catalyst 6.10...
430 fsb with 1.61 vcore is no go for 3d mark 2006 (the pc resets just after canyon flight). 420fsb is fine for 3dmark06 with vdimm at 2.25...
430fsb Battlefield crashes back to desktop before the ea logo even comes on.
I'm just experimenting with 420fsb......
will let you know...
regards
Raja
i hope soon is very very soon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
I'm just saying that anyone can correctly say, with no fear of contradiction, that their computer is stable if it works properly...even if all they do isQuote:
Originally Posted by raju
boot into windows and move their cursor around. It is stable by definition.
Quote:
Originally Posted by roller11
that was never in dispute.... 'horses for courses'
I doubt there was anyone that confused, though there is always the possibilty..
The issue of concern is Orthos stability, I guess that much is clear..
My question is if I were to get a e6600 and not plan to us a lower multi will I still get a close OC (~3.2-3.5 on air) compared to a P5B-dx. I am not looking for the highest FSB, just an equal OC potential over the P5B-dx.
i've tried to get a sample via TD and Abit and no one is willing to supply a sample. i had the same issues with gigabyte as i wanted to pit my DS3 against the DQ6.
frankly right now im booting into windows at 450x9 from the bios but she dont last long and thats @ 1.6v bios 1.63v via DMM and i cant run anything in windows to check as it usually locks up.
i am also booting at 500x7 too but it wont boot into windows as the DS3 has that ungodly pathetic Micron D9 issue and will not run the gskill HZ 6400 past 950 mhz no matter what i do. so i cant test it very well since i always have to run a 1:1 ratio. i have tried others but it doesnt matter, even dropping the fsb to 100mhz and cranking the dram multi to 4.00 and then rasing the fsb from there it doesnt work..
anywho,, i'm going to keep trying to get sample board for both the biostar and abit but i doubt i will get anywhere. techdata isnt known for being worth a crap when it comes to things like that.
but i was looking into the abit, though i dont care for the 1 pci slot i can live with it as i just need it for my audigy 2 ZS and 1 pci-e 1x slot for my Sil 3132 card, and of course only 1 video slot for me.
but what i need is a board that can max my cpu and ram both, very little droop, on the vcore, vdimm and mch yet have enough adjustments in those three settings to really make her scream.
im typically running 3.8ghz 24/7 and its fine and dandy and i cant complain one single bit but the ram 1:1 at that low of a fsb slows things down a tad, nothing you can see or feel in windows but benchmarks to reflect the change.
thanks for the info raju, its nice to see calm educated posts in comparison to my enraged blabbering hehehe.
hipro5:is the vcore set so high in BIOS or you v-modded it?
I would like to know if the new bios will allow vcore above 1.7 (real),1.8v at least...?
I am now past my 460FSB limit with the new bios, just cannot say how far. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Patuga
Bios 1.2 and later: When you pick max 1.725V, it's 1.698V real and ROCK STABLE.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mykeos
Only the first bios had a problem....When - for example - you picked 1.6V, in real was 1.5V.......
....and yes VCore Moded - ALWAYS - ....:D
You're teasing me so as to take off my Fatbodies right?.....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
I'll slot in the CellShock ones and test tomorrow.....;)
Hipro, could you release a photo of the vcore mod for those of us who are electronically challenged?
I'll upload a FULL Mod guide in a few days for it....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sadcat1
Thank you
how about full bios settings too? Though there isn't much to show.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
You know what George, the Asus pro is back up and running... Did a bit of testing to see what had gone down, bypassed no issues...
Works fine with the maximiser controlling ram and vtt!! Will bench asap....
regards
Raja
well i never like to push my cpu to high clockspeed but only stable PI 1m.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
In my experience dual PI 32m is nowhere near 24/7 stable since i had 5 c2d processors that can easily passed dual PI 32m but in the end failed orthos or dual sp2004 after just 10secs.
So for me daily stable means I am able to to run at least 8 hrs of orthos / dual sp2004 in any tests (large fft, small fft, blend test, or custom) but normally i let them ran for at least 12 hrs.
and my current E6400 can do 3.2ghz @ stock vcore, 3.3ghz @ 1.35vcore, and 3.44ghz @ 1.375vcore. Never try higher since I dont want my cpu to hit more than 60C during load (coretemp)
I hope Abit can help me at least 3.2ghz stable orthos @ stock vcore.. I dun care bout higher clockspeed, coz 3.2ghz is very fast already :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm just a humble overclocker like you my friend, we need all types to make up a forum, that's the beauty of individuality. On topic though, I guess we needed a fresh perspective here and to look at the fact that different people deserve their criteria to be put forwards too without being burnt down everytime. That will help make XS the place it should truly be...
I won't complete judgement on the board until we can get hold of the new bios and assess what needs to be done after that. Then I will confirm my findings with you guys here and some of my trusted friends:clap: to make sure that I am not wrong or brash about anything I say...
regards
Raja
Quote:
Originally Posted by irenic
well you are not alone and there are many here it seems like you, myself included. 3.2ghz will be no sweat with an e6600, unless it's the worlds worst e6600, which I doubt...
regards
Raja
Whats the max vcore you'd put through a core 2 duo for 24/7 use without cuttings it's life span down to under 1 year. What would be max temps to run at with said vcore under good quality air cooling.
Thanks.
Wonder if this new BIOS has fixed some RAM setting issues (manual mode is unstable occasionally, must use By SPD instead)?
If i use Uguru in windows, i get a very big drop. 1.5 goes to 1.43 and 1.65 to get 1.58Vcore, of course in full load it only goes 1.5~1.56 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Does the program detect the settings in the bios? and also, what about the pci-e clock? is it locked @ 100? cause i tried to change it in windows to 101 only to make my computer lock
I can't seem to get an answer on pcie clock, in the release bios, it was in the bios and you could adjust it to what ever you wanted and with the new bios you only find it in guru panel and yes it locks windows:fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Patuga
Uguru works fine BUT it STILL shows inaccurate VCore.....Just "shows".....Whatever you pick within bios, that's it.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Patuga
As for PCI-E and PCI frequencies, yes they are locked at 100MHz and 33.3MHz......EVEN at higher frequencies when you pick them from Uguru, are locked too +/-....;)
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...26MHz_bios.jpg
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...32MHz_bios.jpg
Hmmm......did you unsolder anything?....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
no I did not have to, sorted via pm anyway....
regards
Raja
Will continue testing with the ABit this week, then move back over to the Asus over next weekend...
It seems it is possible to run some games at 420fsb, regardless of Orthos blend failing at 400. Basically you can pick your own poison. As a generalisation, if you edit lots of large files, have important data etc, you will probably want to stick nearer the 400fsb mark. If you play games and just use your system for surfing the web and don't mind the risk of a lock up every now and again, you can go for 420 fsb or so with an e6600 at a vcore of around 1.61 in bios. Vdimm between 2.25-2.30 works well with the team group ram at the 420fsb mark.
The heavier games like Oblivion will need testing by the user themselves to find an acceptable point. Generally Oblivion can knock around 10fsb off an overclock that is not Orthos blend stable, but is stable enough for most other games...
regards
Raja
testing 24/7 OC...dual 32M also stable
most critical is vmch at 1.8 - anything lower and all alse fails
board unmodded - yet :rolleyes:
vcore: 1.4
vdimm: 2.25
vmch: 1.8
strap: 1066
bios: alpha-13
ram: Team Xtreem ddr800 micron D9GMH
thanks flytek, that's about the max I can get to for orthos..
I wonder if anyone has managed much higher in torture/blend in Prime/Orthos??
seems no one is able to go much over 400 if at all...
Though 420fsb seems to be ok for most programs to run without a hitch...
regards
Raja
edit just seen that you're on the 8X multi, on the 9X multi 400fsb is even more difficult with a E6600 (that's the real sticking point)....
So far the longest I could run orthos blend without failure was 2 hours 52min. The orthos failures after periods of time are much like the P5W DH was when more FSB voltage was needed & not set to auto. I'll keep at it, but hopefully that & ich voltage options will get added in future bios releases.
Testing 1.3 beta bios.
12 multiper
http://www.conman.se/x6800/12xliten.JPG
http://www.conman.se/x6800/12x.JPG
13 multiper
http://www.conman.se/x6800/13xliten.JPG
http://www.conman.se/x6800/13x.JPG
14 multiper
http://www.conman.se/x6800/14xliten.JPG
http://www.conman.se/x6800/14x.JPG
15 multiper
http://www.conman.se/x6800/15xliten.JPG
http://www.conman.se/x6800/15x.JPG
Everest membench:
http://www.conman.se/x6800/3,6400liten.JPG
http://www.conman.se/x6800/3,6400.JPG
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
good observations, that does seem to be the difference, hopefully we'll get those options to push the board a little further....
regards
Raja
edit out of interest this morning I tried the 4:5 divider with 395fsb and 2.30 vdimm (enough vdimm for that speed), 1.9 on the chipset, the board would boot but crashed the minute I tried to run BF2...
uppler multiplier unlock on 13 bios... nice :toast: :banana: :woot: :clap:
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Now... Habemos board :toast: :toast:
EDIT - nm I misread.
Where can I get the new Beta BIOS 1.3 for the Abit board? :confused:
Ultrazauberer - it will be realeased once it is beta.. at the moment it is still alpha.. a week should do it.
raju - i was not attemting for max OC at 400..just looking for a nice 24/7.
Quote:
Originally Posted by flytek
no worries..
I was just looking for someone to break down the 400fsb 9x multiplier wall for 24/7 use.:)
regards
Raja
Hi Raja, do you think if the manufacturer willing to enable the 1333 strap will solve all these issues.. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
:clap: to you guys who trying hard to test the MB.. i'm looking closely to this MB
Hi,
well the 1333 strap is quite slow clock for clock in comparison to the 1066, so you have to go a long way higher in fsb to equal the performance in most cases.
TBH, the 400fsb wall is more for people who rely quite heavily on their pc and need a good guarantee that it won't crash when they are running important software. For gamers and casual users they will be able to push higher and get away with it.
To date I have nothing bad to say about this board at all, from a general market perspective (and as someone neutral we do have to take that into consideration), the layout could have been better. I'm just comparing to similar priced boards, so that more average users get a feel for the boards capabilities too. Xs have in excess of 30,000 members and not all are real die hard overclockers. For the ones that are, this board is quite good to have fun with benching, I have fun with this too, you can fool around at low latencies with high fsb's for super pi runs and that's a nice hobby for some. Hipro has shown some nice results for those people.
I have tried to show some results for more everyday people, so this thread is more complete for the whole XS audience, it's just a matter of picking your poison - about what you want to see from the board.
I certainly don't consider myself an authority, there are far better overclockers here than me.
Hopefully we'll see more threads like this here in the future so that everyone can participate and get the information they're looking for, without arguing at all, as has been shown very well in this thread.
regards
Raja
I've repeatedly said this is a nice board, but thus far not superior to the P5W DH. And even the P5W seems to be last on Asus's list of boards to get fixed. Now that I've changed my chipset cooling the board boots @ 440FSB easily but still struggles @ 445FSB. Once a more mature bios is created that gives the voltages options I mentioned earlier, & more control over the memory timings, it will be an awesome overclockers/tweakers testbed. For everyday users or serious gamers, etc., I'm still leaning towards the Asus P5W, especially after asus releases a bios that allows more memory settings & fix the power down thingy. I will be posting just above 400FSB 4 hours orthos stability shortly.:)
Thanks Nemesis looking forwards to your results, good work...
regards
Raja
Failed @ 3+ hours 404 FSB:rolleyes:
yeah she don't like much more than 400fsb tops...
maybe hard mods will be the way to go....
regards
Raja
My system is 100% more stable @ 405fsb then @ 400 fsb :fact:
Ram @ 1:1 and 1.3 bios.
400 fsb 1:1 is less stable than 405 fsb 1:1?
my board won't run 4:5 above 395....
regards
Raja
Right now,I am running orthos for 3hours and 23 min.@9X410 with 1,5 vcore/1,8vmch(real with hipro's mod)/2,3vdimm(just to be sure)@4-4-4-6 with supertalent PC6400 C5 1:1.
CPU and chipset are watercooled.
How many hours would you like me to leave it Raja?
Hi Phil,
I like 8 hours, others like 4 so it's up to you. Unfortunatley none of us have hard mods installed yet..
Whatever you choose, please include a memset shot with your final results, so that other users can compare the secondry timings too.
Obviously watercooling on the chipset does help...
thanks for the help
regards
Raja
Ok I ll leave it till the morning.I ll post results tommorow.Happy to help.
P.S. 3hours 45min till now blend testing.
[QUOTE=raju]400 fsb 1:1 is less stable than 405 fsb 1:1?
Yes less stable @ 400 than @ 405 :fact:
Hi My friend.
makes no sense to me, unless the memset secondry timings are more relaxed at the slightly higher fsb...
You have to understand that when you make a statement like that, keeping it short will not help everyone. Some kind of elaboration is required as to why.
:fact: this is not always enough:D
Thanks for your input and I hope you can shed some light as to why you find 405 more stable than 400.
I'm not doubting you, I trust your statement, some people need help in overclocking a little further past 400, so we are helping others in essence to obtain something higher..
regards
Raja