That's because we're bored, and he's frustrated because he's banned. :D
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That's because we're bored, and he's frustrated because he's banned. :D
I'm not fond of John from AMD (not as a person because I don't know him, I'm sure he's a cool guy outside of AMD), but to actually call John out as liar of the month is a new low even for **R.
Indeed, it was out of line.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
Little update with an actual photograph of that pathetic pety ego addict.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
http://www.maltrabob.com/obrulez.jpg
Nice one maltrabob :D.
Hi Guys,
About OBR, I can tell you there is some genuine BD entries in the CPUZ Validator Database right now and none of them looks like the one he published. Especially regarding the construction of the PSN.
A good proof for what he says should be to validate a dump, even unpublished. If he let me check this dump, I will be able to confirm or not.
Of course he is entitled to his opinion...Quote:
Originally Posted by mongoled
However he is shoving it in peoples faces as if his words are the bible...
Not in the last two or so posts, but still.
As far as OBR goes, I can't believe moderator hasn't stepped in yet but then again this discussion seems to be moving in the right direction for the most part :p
@xsecret
Doesn't OBR only have early ES CPUs that are probably stolen somewhere down the line? ...B0 CPU can't really be called a representation of performance like he wants it to be.
Vapor can't be serious. Am I seriously expected to find out all banned XS members and consult the list every time I want to post a link to outside information? I didn't have any clue OBR was previously an XS member until this whole thing for instance. I was just lucky enough not to have posted anything I guess.
Mmmmm. I'm reviewing CPUs since 10 years and I never saw a huge performance gap between any B0 ES CPU and the final, retail step of the same CPU. Changes in features and OC abilities for sure, but not in raw performance. This said, the validator database contains many BD steps, from the first A0 to the latest one (with final PSN), and none of them looks like the PSN on his screenshots.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I'm genuinely confused now, considering OBR's results often put Bulldozer at Thuban level performance...Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecret
What's wrong with the bible? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Not wanting to get in a religious arguement, nothings wrong with the bible, but people that believe it's correct generally try a bit hard to persuade others about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
I'm joking with you...relax. You fail to see my sarcasm in most of my posts. Just learn to ignore me when I rant. I'm still standing by my 10% comment though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
There is a difference with Bulldozer though.With microcode AMD can tweak and turn off various features of the core.Remember the Barcelona TLB erratum and the BIOS patch that came out to fix it? Now imagine similar thing with Bulldozer,where you can tweak on a much deeper level and imagine that there is nothing wrong-they can enforce many things through the BIOS-from memory accesses to prefetching .Note that Bulldozer also has numerous clock domains that can be controlled.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecret
PS I'm not saying retail Zambezi is now going to magically post some insane numbers.It may very well be slightly faster than what we have been shown. But the only problem with early B0/B1 numbers is that these samples perform usually lower than Thuban (or barely faster). For a FX name baring design with 300$ price sticker,I doubt it will be slightly faster than 190$ 1100T :).
I don't know what to think about OBR. This could be 100% fake, but some of the informations he published are true. For example the launch date. At this time, the press NDA disclosure is planned for the 06 Sept while the retail launch is planned for October, between 03 and 15. The exact date is not yet defined, but it's really October. In the opposite, there is some clear fakes in the pictures he released. The values displayed by CPUZ seems wrong and doesn't follow the current BD dumps I have in the database. He could have a different CPU, but that's unlikely. A single submit from him could be a great proof of everything. I can guarantee I will not pass any informations from him to AMD. I was the first to leak K8 results on the Internet, so I know what I'm talking about :D But there is some more disturbing fake I spotted in his pictures. Like this one (hard to explain, so here is a small picture) :Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
http://temp.x86.fr/obrfakeornot.jpg
I don't buy the microcode argument. I don't think you can help performance that much.
Didn't some site post that B0/B1 steppings were prone to HTT Flooding under load?
Not sure what you'd do to make it run stable, but I bet the BIOS is putting some clamps unto the core/cache.
That's what I call real informations :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecret
The rumored October launch date is leaked out from a UK site first.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsecret
I don't really give a buck about all the pre release results and speculation...
The only scenario if Intel SB-E stuck @ 53X average like 2600K....BD that (most definitely) can scale to 6Ghz+ with cold will be the obvious choice for benching this coming winter:)
Time to dust off your venom pot and put the single stage back in the drawer. Lol
Here we are again with yet another piece of confusing information. This is the printscreen of a cached document that shortly appeared on his blog on Tuesday, 17th May 2011: www.maltrabob.com/Obr_popel3.jpg. It reads:
"My bad: I was mistaken ... big time
I was expecting that AMD BD was going to be a fiasco, I was mistaken and declare that it is not. After many years of inferior performance the time has come for some revenge ... Intel is going to be surprised I guess! That`s why Intel is likely to plan Core i7-2800K and similar ones ..."
Unfortunalely I wasn`t fast enough to capture the whole article but I managed to read it all. In general, it was saying that BD is not going to disappoint.
He is like a little spoilt brat with some personality disorder :/
Gee, i wonder how long he left it out there for.... Fair dinkum, this bloke is a wack job.Quote:
Originally Posted by maltrabob
Think about this for a while:
8 core = 300$
300/8 = 37,5$ per core
compare to todays price on 6 cores:
1100T = 190$
190/6 = 31,667$ per core
37,5/31,667 = 1,184
So, 18,4% higher price per core - would this be also the average performance increase we can expect per core?
If so, for 8 core (33% more cores)
1,184*1,333 = 1,578
58% performance increase compared to 1100T when full load on all cores?
Remember the rumors about 50% more performance with 33% more cores? It seems it's likely are true...we can only hope :)
(you also have to account higher clock speeds and support for new instruction sets)
Here's my analogy.
OBR is some pissed off dweeb that can't get AMD review samples legit because he can't keep his mouth shut. For some reson he blames his contact in his local area when in reality it's his own damn fault.
Someone is selling him chips but the joke is on him, it could be AMD themselves, but they are sending him some preety rotten samples, either his contact for chips is burning him and laughing all the way to the bank or AMD is doing it just to have a good laugh.
The term having more money than brains applies here.
As far as JF and his comments towards, well......JF is server not desktop. Not only is OBR out of line, he's an idiot in this sense, when JF makes a comment it is based on his knowledge of server side not desktop.
so let me get this right. in one of the posts above he is praising amd but in all of the others he has been kicking amd in the nuts?
wtf sound like he has multiple personality disorder. All personality's will be listed below
The mean, crazy drunk russian in favor of intel
The psycho, crap spewing psychopath in favor of intel
The bully on the playground that has failed a grade or 3 so he is taller than anyone else in favor of intel
The kid scared of the bully that never tells anyone what has happened and the one time he does its just a tease in favor of amd