AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

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12-02-2010, 01:31 AM
Tim

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Originally Posted by thebanik

If it doesnt match a 580 or better it in some benchmarks then why were they even bothering to launch a new product considering 580 is only around 20% faster than a 480, :(

AMD needs to do something for a refresh because TMSC royally screwed up with the next process node. So rather it being a revolutionary step it has become an evolutionary one. If that makes any sense.
12-02-2010, 01:47 AM
Borden

GPU-Z SPs error or wavefront is still 80 (20 x 4) :confused:

http://www.dinoxpc.com/public/images...c55f3_6900.jpg
12-02-2010, 01:48 AM
Vipeax

5870 (fillrates):
http://www.geeks3d.com/public/jegx/2...5870-gpu-z.jpg
12-02-2010, 01:54 AM
kadozer

AMD's own Fermi launch. Yikes pls tell me this isn't true.
12-02-2010, 02:26 AM
zerazax

GPU-Z is just a database, it doesn't know its actual units or any of that stuff. It can tell you clocks and that's about it - the rest needs to be filled in by w1z to calculate things properly

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh

http://translate.google.it/translate...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8

AMD has had a fine year on the graphics card market but in autumn it has lost some of its moments, not least by far more competitive solutions from rival NVIDIA. Now, the new performance series Radeon HD 6900 just around the corner, but according to sources at NordicHardware, it is slow.

AMD has already delayed the launch on one occasion , on 21 November was dumped in favor of some time during week 50. The reason for the somewhat vague release date is according to our sources to be the top model Radeon H 6970th AMD has just not been sure when to get the card ready for launch, and as recently as today - 1 December - there is no recognized launch date for the two graphics cards to be launched within two weeks.

The positive news we have reached is that the little brother, the Radeon HD 6950, started to find out from AMD and shipped to its partners. Which means that at least the entry model in the manufacturer's new series looks to be on the right track.

Big Brother Radeon HD 6970 is said, however, be a more uncertain short-and according to credible sources, we will immediately be excited about the launch actually takes place this year - and be prepared to wait until next year to see the cards in some form of reasonable availability. Radeon HD 6950 is said therefore to be in slightly better shape, but AMD will not carry any at the launch of the Cayman series until the Radeon HD 6970 is ready for the limelight.

While NVIDIA December 7 will launch its second performance card for this fall - the GeForce GTX 570th Although AMD has a broad and stable supply of graphics card you can see out to get a heavy end of the year in which, at worst, not getting any new performance cards on store shelves before Christmas. We follow the course development and will provide more information as soon as we receive it.

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Originally Posted by kadozer

AMD's own Fermi launch. Yikes pls tell me this isn't true.

They're just rehashing what other sites are saying - some of it outdated - so I'm not sure where they're getting their info from
12-02-2010, 02:44 AM
andos

I read a bit swedish, and it was translated badly in google translator.

What it actually says is:

6900 is just around the corner, but sources at NordicHardware says AMD's making slow progress.
12-02-2010, 02:57 AM
Shadov

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebanik

If it doesnt match a 580 or better it in some benchmarks then why were they even bothering to launch a new product considering 580 is only around 20% faster than a 480, :(

580 has a die size of an elephant, I wouldn't expect 6970 to match it in performance but come close to it.

While on the other hand HD 6990 will take the performance crown from HD 5970.
12-02-2010, 02:59 AM
zalbard

If the performance is close and the price is much nicer then it will be a big win for AMD, again.
They just need to keep following this strategy imo. :yepp:
12-02-2010, 03:02 AM
Lanek

about NH article, taking in count 6950 follow surely the same path of 5850, with 2SIMD disabled, less clock, AMD knowing the 570 is around the corner,
if the card is ready and perform enough well for AMD in this segment ( 570 = +- 480 perf ), i don't really see why a 6970 with 2 SIMD more + faster clock is not enough. Even if the card is just 5% under the GTX580,
it's not really a problem ..
12-02-2010, 03:44 AM
duploxxx

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Originally Posted by kadozer

AMD's own Fermi launch. Yikes pls tell me this isn't true.

real reason why you post such a comment? die hard NV fanboy ????

no performance data known, no price range known, no power consumption known only few weeks delay yet you compare it with a product that was late more then 6 months, consumed way to mcch and was underperforming like hell.... yeah real die hard fanboy. :ROTF:
12-02-2010, 04:00 AM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by andos

I read a bit swedish, and it was translated badly in google translator.

What it actually says is:

6900 is just around the corner, but sources at NordicHardware says AMD's making slow progress.

Thanks for the translation.

I bet I can learn quite a few languages just reading gpu rumors:rofl:
12-02-2010, 04:00 AM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

real reason why you post such a comment? die hard NV fanboy ????

no performance data known, no price range known, no power consumption known only few weeks delay yet you compare it with a product that was late more then 6 months, consumed way to mcch and was underperforming like hell.... yeah real die hard fanboy. :ROTF:

Yeah my post history shows I'm a diehard fanboy for NV. I also have a JHH poster.
12-02-2010, 04:34 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by -Boris-

No, 6800 is a 5d design. If drivers would be optimized for 4d then 6800 would see no benefit.

oh... i thought barts was 4d? why did they go 4d for cayman but 5d for barts then? wtf? :confused:
12-02-2010, 05:19 AM
Shadov

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Originally Posted by saaya

oh... i thought barts was 4d? why did they go 4d for cayman but 5d for barts then? wtf? :confused:

I would say Barts was the pipe cleaner for 32 nm and Cayman the completely new architecture.

Since now they are stuck at 40 nm... You get the picture. :rolleyes:
12-02-2010, 05:38 AM
-Boris-

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

oh... i thought barts was 4d? why did they go 4d for cayman but 5d for barts then? wtf? :confused:

Barts might be a cheap replacement for 5770. A safe chip where only some of Caymans elements were tested, made to be out as soon as possible to battle GTX 460. Cayman being the flagship have a larger budget and a bit longer development time, and most importantly higher goals.

I think GTX 460 gave AMD a headache, they could of course kill it off with 5870 at the same price level and still earn cash for every sold card. But that would undermine the market for 6800. GTX 460 was way to late to change any of AMDs design plans with 6800, but I think AMD knew that they needed the 6800 long before that to fill the gap in the most important price range.
12-02-2010, 05:47 AM
Olivon

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Originally Posted by Shadov

I would say Barts was the pipe cleaner for 32 nm and Cayman the completely new architecture.

Since now they are stuck at 40 nm... You get the picture. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Barts did not exist on the roadmap in 32nm. Barts in 40nm turned up before the 32nm cancellation.

Dave Baumann, AMD, on B3D
12-02-2010, 05:59 AM
rintamarotta

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Originally Posted by saaya

oh... i thought barts was 4d? why did they go 4d for cayman but 5d for barts then? wtf? :confused:

Consider barts as cheap replacement for HD5770 and HD5830 card's, for its price its superior compared to HD5850/70 if you check price/performance ratio.

This 5D arch is just optimized one compared to whats seen in HD58XX cards.
12-02-2010, 06:02 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by kadozer

AMD's own Fermi launch. Yikes pls tell me this isn't true.

ok so let me get this straight .. amd announced an announcement of an announcement announcing an announcement of the launch .... that will still get delayed???

and am i forgeting woodscrew gate too ... come on .. it cant be that bad ;)
12-02-2010, 07:54 AM
marten_larsson

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Thanks for the translation.

I bet I can learn quite a few languages just reading gpu rumors:rofl:

I wouldn't put it that way. They say there are problems with the 6970 but they don't specify it further than that but they also say that when the card launches the availability will be bad. They also state the obvious by saying Cayman won't launch until 6970 is ready... Somehow though, the 6950 seems to be trickling its way to partners. As I said earlier, NH hasn't been anywhere near accurate anything regarding AMD launches the past year or two.
12-02-2010, 08:15 AM
Monstru

Do you feel lucky...punk?

http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/...feellucky2.jpg
12-02-2010, 08:15 AM
-Boris-

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Originally Posted by marten_larsson

I wouldn't put it that way. They say there are problems with the 6970 but they don't specify it further than that but they also say that when the card launches the availability will be bad. They also state the obvious by saying Cayman won't launch until 6970 is ready... Somehow though, the 6950 seems to be trickling its way to partners. As I said earlier, NH hasn't been anywhere near accurate anything regarding AMD launches the past year or two.

Any specific news that was so inaccurate? I remember that they was the only ones that reported about an 800SP RV770.
12-02-2010, 08:25 AM
marten_larsson

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Originally Posted by -Boris-

Any specific news that was so inaccurate? I remember that they was the only ones that reported about an 800SP RV770.

Well, their Barts stories were quite off. All of them. Also their initial RV870 rumours were off too (they were quite sure about the 2000SPs at first (after RV770 launch) then changed to 1200 before settling on 1600 not until August 2009).

I have tried to google for misinformated posts but I just realized that a lot of their articles have been pulled when their info have been criticized by other respectable sites / forum members.

Monstru:
Are those Cayman?!
12-02-2010, 08:25 AM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstru

Do you feel lucky...punk?

http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...3&d=1291305789

yes, I feel lucky.
Give it your best shot
12-02-2010, 08:28 AM
hurrdurr

Are those 6970's? If so, why so Accordion?
12-02-2010, 08:35 AM
Pantsu

Well 6870 doesn't have a backplate so at least that's new.

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