Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

Has there been any info on 670's or 660's?

I haven't seen anything specific besides the "7 group" (which would mean 1344 CC) stuff from SemiAccurate, and the "670 Ti," which apparently ended up as the 680.

So Dimi and Rollo both think there is nothing else in the works?
Nvidia just decided to turn it's back on the Tesla/Quadro market after all the work they have done over the years?

What an amazing analysis on the market.

There's obviously an HPC chip in the works and it's very late. They were targeting end of 2011 for a pilot rollout to the Titan supercomputer. They had to fall back to Fermi.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

So Dimi and Rollo both think there is nothing else in the works?
Nvidia just decided to turn it's back on the Tesla/Quadro market after all the work they have done over the years?

What an amazing analysis on the market.

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So, you are saying GK104 is a terrible GPGPU/HPC chip?

All this mad speculation is hilarious. I knew the truth before I was told the truth :)

Calm the rumor mills down a bit, you're going to burn yourselves out.

You will all know in good time.

Reliable sources tell me that the GTX 780 (the "big chip") is coming later this year.

Hold on to your butts.

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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth

Reliable sources tell me that the GTX 780 (the "big chip") is coming later this year.

Hold on to your butts.

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I don't care about the big chip, where's the midrange 250~$300 offer that would perform a little better than GTX 580. ^^ Oh well seems like lots of waiting ahead still. :P

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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth

Reliable sources tell me that the GTX 780 (the "big chip") is coming later this year.

Hold on to your butts.

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hope so, honestly nvidia surprised us all with the gtx 680 ( i can hardly believe it is ) for the gtx 480 and all the laughs that happened in its time of release i guess nvidia was just showing that it can do as AMD-ATI do with lower power consumption and heat. what i was expecting a much faster chip with 8 and 6 pin like a real step into something new. so i guess i will be waiting for the gtx 780 the real big chip

The 680 vs 7970 will be a good thing for consumers because its very likely to lead to price competition.
But for those who want to see a "big" Kepler soon then you should hope that Amd releases the so called Tenerife chip sometime soon.

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

I don't care about the big chip, where's the midrange 250~$300 offer that would perform a little better than GTX 580. ^^ Oh well seems like lots of waiting ahead still. :P

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Here's what will happen... quote me on this later this year.

NVidia will launch the GTX 680. AMD will scramble to get a 7990 out depending on how much the 680 really does hurt them on the high end. The 7990 will launch at $649-$699.

NVidia will show up with the GTX 780 (which will be GK110) towards the summer, after the partners are all happy with their current profits seen out of the cheap to produce GTX 680 (seriously, depending on yields this card shouldn't cost much more than the 9800GTX did to produce). They will then re-release the GTX 680 as the GTX 760ti or GTX 770 at the price we all know it should have been released at.

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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth

Reliable sources tell me that the GTX 780 (the "big chip") is coming later this year.

Hold on to your butts.

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September

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Here's what will happen... quote me on this later this year.

NVidia will launch the GTX 680. AMD will scramble to get a 7990 out depending on how much the 680 really does hurt them on the high end. The 7990 will launch at $649-$699.

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scramble and being hurt is not what i expect. the 680 does not seem like its going to "kill" the 7970, and amd has had their cards out for so long now that if people wanted to get it, they would have by now. the only one waiting are nvidia fans or people who just want to see prices drop.

also we did see slides about a +1300mhz sapphire 7970 product, if that really is true then it shouldnt be much of an effort to have a refresh come out fast enough to beat the 680

the bigger chip is the real question though. if nvidia is doing a solid 10% better in perf/watt, then in the 300w x2 chip battle it most likely will be won by nvidia.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Here's what will happen... quote me on this later this year.

NVidia will launch the GTX 680. AMD will scramble to get a 7990 out depending on how much the 680 really does hurt them on the high end. The 7990 will launch at $649-$699.

NVidia will show up with the GTX 780 (which will be GK110) towards the summer, after the partners are all happy with their current profits seen out of the cheap to produce GTX 680 (seriously, depending on yields this card shouldn't cost much more than the 9800GTX did to produce). They will then re-release the GTX 680 as the GTX 760ti or GTX 770 at the price we all know it should have been released at.

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I'll quote you right now. Any way you look at it, 9800GTX vs GTX680 are not in the same boat as far as costs go...

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

scramble and being hurt is not what i expect. the 680 does not seem like its going to "kill" the 7970, and amd has had their cards out for so long now that if people wanted to get it, they would have by now. the only one waiting are nvidia fans or people who just want to see prices drop.

also we did see slides about a +1300mhz sapphire 7970 product, if that really is true then it shouldnt be much of an effort to have a refresh come out fast enough to beat the 680

the bigger chip is the real question though. if nvidia is doing a solid 10% better in perf/watt, then in the 300w x2 chip battle it most likely will be won by nvidia.

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^^ Ditto, since they have had their cards on the market for longer there is a higher degree of leniency to drop prices. Those two cards are so close to each other that its possibly going to come down to personal preference and price war among the two manufacturers.

I cannot predict or know what those under NDA might know, but the difference in die size is so small that I do not see this as a price decisive factor at all.

Something that bugs me is that at this point in time this is Nvidia's only 28nm chip due out immediately (unless those under NDA know better), where are the rest?

^^^^^ I'm curious about that as well.

I want to know that too, especially gtx670....

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

I don't care about the big chip, where's the midrange 250~$300 offer that would perform a little better than GTX 580. ^^ Oh well seems like lots of waiting ahead still. :P

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It seems like the first wave of Keplers will be the GK104 and GK107, while the GK106 and GK110 will come some time later.

The mobile 600 series lineup is filled out in 2 groups currently: the low end that uses GF108 (and one GF106), and the high end that uses GF114. There's a gap in the middle that appears to be for the GK107 to fill, if the GT 640M is of any indication. I think the GK106 would be around GF114-level (at least for mobile). Given that NVIDIA is waiting for the GK107 to fill out the middle of the mobile 600 series, I don't think they would have used GF114's for the high end if the GK106 is as close to release as GK107 is.

So I'm guessing GK106 is at least a few months away from GK107, at least in the mobile area. And when it shows up they can always do a 665M/685M/690M or something like that.

On a not-entirely-unrelated note, given the GT 640's supposed specs on GPU-Z (GT 545 DDR3 rebrand it seems), unless NVIDIA is planning on overlapping, even a crippled GK107 should be at least GT 545 GDDR5-level.

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Originally Posted by DilTech

NVidia will show up with the GTX 780 (which will be GK110) towards the summer, after the partners are all happy with their current profits seen out of the cheap to produce GTX 680 (seriously, depending on yields this card shouldn't cost much more than the 9800GTX did to produce). They will then re-release the GTX 680 as the GTX 760ti or GTX 770 at the price we all know it should have been released at.

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$299?

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

Something that bugs me is that at this point in time this is Nvidia's only 28nm chip due out immediately (unless those under NDA know better), where are the rest?

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If mobile is of any indication the GK107 should be close behind the GK104.

^^ I would not have the mobile market as an indicator since it operates quite independently from desktop and Professional market.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

scramble and being hurt is not what i expect. the 680 does not seem like its going to "kill" the 7970, and amd has had their cards out for so long now that if people wanted to get it, they would have by now. the only one waiting are nvidia fans or people who just want to see prices drop.

also we did see slides about a +1300mhz sapphire 7970 product, if that really is true then it shouldnt be much of an effort to have a refresh come out fast enough to beat the 680.

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Yeah, If GK104 performance holds to rumors I'd expect a HD4890-esq reaction from AMD instead

whether they feel the need to adjsut competitivness of their single GPU card when HD7990 is coming is another story though

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They really really fixed the memory controller this time around. I think as along as the chip trades blows with the 7970, the hype has been met.....if it wasn't for the damn pricing. Yeesh. It totally screams price fixing I think.

I would hope Nvidia would put some pressure on AMD, because the card has significantly less memory and their die size is 20% smaller. $450 would be completely inline of what the gtx 460 and gt8800 were if it performed up to 7970 with the smaller die and less memory.

If it is priced at 550, AMD doesn't have to do a darn thing and is something AMD can be happy about and it seems like price fixing is afoot.

GK110, seems like it would be a beast card though if it was released today, it seems like a card if released today would be very much like the gtx 8800 making AMD's current generation look last generation. Releasing it later makes sense for Nvidia, releasing it later allow GK104 to have the gtx x80 moniker and allows the chip to be marketed at the price it is being released at. AMD must be also happy gk110 isn't out. It would look bad if gk110 had similar performance to a 7990 dual GPU card, which it should if gk104 performs similarly to the 7970.

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if nvidia had that gk110 they would release it enough of this bs already talking about unreleased/unseen card....

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Originally Posted by eric66

if nvidia had that gk110 they would release it enough of this bs already talking about unreleased/unseen card....

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Think of it this way: You're Nvidia. Your mid-range card (so aptly named the "GTX 680" :rollseyes: ) is equal to or better than the competition's high-end card. So, what do you do?

You don't even need to show your high-end card yet. You release your mid-range card as the high-end card and price gouge, of course. More money for you and you get to tweak/finalize your high-end card without rushing it to the market. It's a win-win for you (if you were Nvidia). :D

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Think of it this way: You're Nvidia. Your mid-range card (so aptly named the "GTX 680" :rollseyes: ) is equal to or better than the competition's high-end card. So, what do you do?

You don't even need to show your high-end card yet. You release your mid-range card as the high-end card and price gouge, of course. More money for you and you get to tweak/finalize your high-end card without rushing it to the market. It's a win-win for you (if you were Nvidia). :D

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Sitting on your cards for too long leaves them smelling like crap. Blowing out old stock is fine. Rolling out new parts is fine, but dont do it too long or you might end up with a case of self-inflicted butt-hurt.

I'm glad none of you guys are handling my money.

I'm not totally sold that there is some super secret big gk110 around the corner waiting to pounce, there might be I don't know, but when I think of Nvidia gk104 I get the feeling it is so not Nvidia for a high end product.

Nvidia has always been the go big or go home type brand, gk104 specs seem so much more mainstream palatable across the board than their normal over the top feeling high end offerings.

If they do have a big gk core waiting I would imagine they'll be holding off until AMD's refresh and push gross margin with the gk104 in the mean time.

If gk104 can deliver the needed performance to command a ~$500 price tag, whether it was intended or not, it doesn't make allot of sense to sell a higher cost product at the same price point if not absolutely necessary to be competitive.

As far as I'm concerned if Nvidia is releasing gk104 as a high end product then it is in fact their high end product and named as such. Anything else is going to have to be next gen next release hardware since they've already allocated their high end 680 labeling for the gk104 and will likely be offering a dual card based on gk104. That in my mind leaves little chance or logic of offering a separate gk110 big die uber performance part until 7xx series is up to bat.

We'll see...

Why couldn't Nvidia just call the GK110 a 690 and the dual GK104 a 685 and dual GK110 695? The naming structure isn't holy and unchangeable...

I expect the 7990 to be about $749 as a minimum, more than likely $799. The 6990 was what, like $649 or something? When the GK104 actually hits retail, it'll go one of three ways:

1. It will perform roughly the same as 7970 (at same clocks, not stock with turbo to win. The people that buy $500+ video cards are overclocking, unless they're just rich kids) and AMD will drop prices ~$25 to lure anyone on the fence waiting for Kepler.
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2. It will beat the 7970 and be priced at $549, then AMD will drop the price $50 and push the 7990 out ASAP.
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3. It will be beaten by the 7970 and be priced at $499. AMD will either keep their price points or lower them slightly just to put the squeeze on Nvidia for once.

Those sound like the logical outcomes to me. Opinions?