The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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03-25-2010, 02:38 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Actually 5870 is %40 above 4870 too, but it can just be counted as a refresh :D

5870 is more like 50% above 4870. 40% above 4890.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...ting_qualitaet
03-25-2010, 02:41 PM
Sushi Warrior

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Originally Posted by 570091D

is it just me, or is this page 66?

new rumor: the gtx480 consumes enough power to pop all the breakers in your house and produces enough heat to then set your house on fire.

New rumour: Nvidia buys the number 66, changes it to 90, just to screw with you. They do hate babies and all....

Oh, and GTX480 is actually 28" long, they just scale everything to it in all the pictures and videos.
03-25-2010, 02:42 PM
annihilat0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

5870 is more like 50% above 4870. 40% above 4890.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...ting_qualitaet

oops sorry. I meant 4890
03-25-2010, 02:45 PM
Heinz68

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Actually 5870 is %40 above 4870 too, but it can just be counted as a refresh :D

I also had the HD 4870 X2 and believe me it can hardly be called just a refresh.

Actually it is the first time I hear that the HD 5*** cards are just a refresh of the HD 4*** cards. So I don't get it what is the big smiley for.

EDIT
Sorry I posted before I did noticed your oops edit
03-25-2010, 02:48 PM
MrDiaz

35+ pages in review, good lord there's gotta be some juicy stuff in there. CANNOT WAIT!
03-25-2010, 02:48 PM
sniper_sung

Quote:

Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Actually 5870 is %40 above 4870 too, but it can just be counted as a refresh :D

A refresh can make nVidia silent for half a year? :)
03-25-2010, 02:54 PM
jmke

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Originally Posted by -Sweeper_

guru3D review has 35 pages of content right now

http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.ph...1&postcount=23

34 of them with pictures of the test setup :rofl::ROTF:
03-25-2010, 02:57 PM
eric66

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Originally Posted by jmke

34 of them with pictures of the test setup :rofl::ROTF:

last page is 2 sec from unigine and hair demo to satisfy all nvidia zealots with 3x lead :ROTF:
03-25-2010, 04:02 PM
prava

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Originally Posted by Yvese

Not really. Nvidia fanboys have taught us they'll buy anything even if it's overpriced. The GTX470 comes to mind. Same MSRP as the 5870, yet performs less and people are still willing to jump all over it.

You can't stop the green fanboys.

You know, its not about being a fanboy...but personal preference. One faces many questions...but the answers doesn't have to be rational, although it may seem absurd.
Besides, there are many things numbers doesn't tell us about a product: such as personal experience. NVIDIA is more expensive than ATI at the same performance...but they give you more (cuda, physx, 3d, etc). Is that more worth it? That depends exclusively on you.
What I can tell you is that there are some things that just don't work well with ATI, like 120hz, screen flickering like using dual screens and such things. Yea, its unlikely, but 1+1 = 2...and internet is fully plagued of those errors...and they piss people off, seriously. I can imagine how has one to feel when he buys a 120hz TFT screen not to work on his newly come DX11 card :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

i do like this kind of work, but think he can give us something like 4870x2 vs 5870. so we can see how it does vs doubling the old card (i suck at nvidia specs so i dont know what half of 480 would be stats wise)

Well, basically GTX480 is a doubled GTX285 (I don't know about rops) except the bandwith. 240 vs 480SP and 675 vs 700mhz core.
03-25-2010, 04:19 PM
Chumbucket843

its hard to say that a 480 is a doubled 285. if you oversimplify to that point there really isnt much difference in any gpu. try comparing g70 to g80 on an alu or flops basis and you will realize that its a pretty abstract number.
03-25-2010, 04:23 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior

New rumour: Nvidia buys the number 66, changes it to 90, just to screw with you. They do hate babies and all....

Oh, and GTX480 is actually 28" long, they just scale everything to it in all the pictures and videos.

It's not just him, we're on page 67 now... people saying page 90 have a low post-per-page count in their user options :p:.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 570091D

is it just me, or is this page 66?

new rumor: the gtx480 consumes enough power to pop all the breakers in your house and produces enough heat to then set your house on fire.

Yup, page 67 now, but it was 66 at the time of your post.

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

There is no guarantee that you will get a good experience from the 480 either. As Carfax has repeatedly reminded us, the drivers for this architecture are relatively immature at this point. So while there should be a speed increase with future drivers (I'd guess at least 6% :)) there is the flip side that until the good drivers come out we will have to deal with the bugs that haven't been found yet.

That is a good point, but I have more faith in nVidia to deliver a well-working driver on a new card than I do in ATI from my own experiences, especially considering the 5870 didn't work well for me the 480 sure can't be any worse (I'd hope!) :).
03-25-2010, 04:35 PM
NaMcO

It's already 26.03.2010 here, someone send me a review and i can post it :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
03-25-2010, 04:36 PM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by prava

Well, basically GTX480 is a doubled GTX285

No. Clearly you don't know anything about GPU architectures.
03-25-2010, 04:50 PM
96redformula

:rofl:

Apparrently Anandtech didn't want to chance maxing out there 850W psu on Fermi :).

http://anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus...oc.aspx?i=3780
03-25-2010, 04:53 PM
annihilat0r

I'm waiting for any kind of "leaked benchmark" posts any time now.

dont make any posts in this thread unless it's a full review from now on, you're just going to disappoint me
03-25-2010, 05:01 PM
SimBy

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

5870 is more like 50% above 4870. 40% above 4890.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...ting_qualitaet

In quite a few games 5870 is pretty much a double of 4870, so not sure where this 40% nonsense is coming from.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...-GPUs-1920.png
03-25-2010, 05:14 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by SimBy

In quite a few games 5870 is pretty much a double of 4870, so not sure where this 40% nonsense is coming from.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...-GPUs-1920.png

I think they're just taking the average across the board number

But yes, in newer games, the newer cards have pulled ahead... look at the 5850 vs GTX 285 in that graph for instance
03-25-2010, 05:15 PM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by SimBy

In quite a few games 5870 is pretty much a double of 4870, so not sure where this 40% nonsense is coming from.

nonsense? you pick one game and from one review site and that's what determines performance? the fact that a 4890 is 50% faster than a 4870 looks fishy to me.
03-25-2010, 05:26 PM
overclocking101

still no awesome news?? no leaked actual benches from someone who definately has the card?? the leaked benches we have seen thus far i dont 100% trust
03-25-2010, 05:46 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by 96redformula

:rofl:

Apparrently Anandtech didn't want to chance maxing out there 850W psu on Fermi :).

http://anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus...oc.aspx?i=3780

They said they wanted extra overhead in case TWO fermi's possibly overclocked came close to max'ing their 850w... I don't get the funny?
03-25-2010, 06:00 PM
Toysoldier

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

They said they wanted extra overhead in case TWO fermi's possibly overclocked came close to max'ing their 850w... I don't get the funny?

I get it. It's funny :)

and BTW your not green you are NEONgreen :D

I'm a MIX of colors and I do hope for nvidias sake they got a winner on their hands.
Even though I could afford to buy one I most likely will not and that's only because of Jen-Hsun Huang.
03-25-2010, 06:12 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Toysoldier

I get it. It's funny :)

and BTW your not green you are NEONgreen :D

I'm a MIX of colors and I do hope for nvidias sake they got a winner on their hands.
Even though I could afford to buy one I most likely will not and that's only because of Jen-Hsun Huang.

I'm not neon green or otherwise, I have a slight preference toward nV cards because of personal experience... I am not a fanboy who wishes, like many on these boards lately, that one or the other company falls on its face and dies :p:.

I still don't get what's funny about thinking two high-TDP cards might, under high load, overdo it on an 850w power supply with a high-end rig... guess you have to be dark red to get it? Me calling you a fanboy makes about as much sense as you calling me one, so let's go with it ;)!
03-25-2010, 06:24 PM
cegras

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I'm not neon green or otherwise, I have a slight preference toward nV cards because of personal experience... I am not a fanboy who wishes, like many on these boards lately, that one or the other company falls on its face and dies :p:.

I still don't get what's funny about thinking two high-TDP cards might, under high load, overdo it on an 850w power supply with a high-end rig... guess you have to be dark red to get it? Me calling you a fanboy makes about as much sense as you calling me one, so let's go with it ;)!

Because a high TDP, dual card is the 5970, which does not need a 850W power supply.
03-25-2010, 06:38 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by cegras

Because a high TDP, dual card is the 5970, which does not need a 850W power supply.

5970 is a single card with dual-GPU's that are cut back and lowered clocks to fit inside a 300w power envelope. A single Fermi is supposed to be 250w TDP roughly. So again, if you put say two 5970's in a rig and were worried, why would it be "funny" to say "LOL ATI, THEY HAD TO USE A BIGGER PSU FOR TWO 300w CARDS LULZ"? Again, they are talking about TWO high-TDP cards: what on earth can that say that is "funny"? I guess if you were an ATI-fanboy you might think it's funny because it takes a lot of power, I guess?
03-25-2010, 06:45 PM
Sly Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

5970 is a single card with dual-GPU's that are cut back and lowered clocks to fit inside a 300w power envelope. A single Fermi is supposed to be 250w TDP roughly. So again, if you put say two 5970's in a rig and were worried, why would it be "funny" to say "LOL ATI, THEY HAD TO USE A BIGGER PSU FOR TWO 300w CARDS LULZ"? Again, they are talking about TWO high-TDP cards: what on earth can that say that is "funny"? I guess if you were an ATI-fanboy you might think it's funny because it takes a lot of power, I guess?

I don't find it "funny" per say, but you must admit it's a little bit ridiculous how much power fermi presumably takes. :poke:

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