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06-13-2008, 11:40 AM
mascaras

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Originally Posted by Anemone

Crossfire 700's will probably leave the 280 choking dust. And since many, many folks won't touch a 790 chipset, and SLI being what it is, I think Nvidia is in for a rude awakening in the sales dept. First adopters will always be the first wave, but I'm taking a long, long look at dual 770's or dual 700's this time around.

yeh , but also dont forget that Multi GPU solutions always the same problem = good FPS but >> Stutering , dont work properly with all games , etc , etc

good in benchs but not so good in games as Single GPU solutions.

regards
06-13-2008, 11:42 AM
Linchpin

Seriously why does everyone care so much about Crysis, it's just one poorly coded game and there aren't any titles in the immediate future that will require so much graphics power to run at highest setting anyway. This new range of cards is still a massive jump in performance over what we currently have.
06-13-2008, 11:48 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Linchpin

Seriously why does everyone care so much about Crysis, it's just one poorly coded game and there aren't any titles in the immediate future that will require so much graphics power to run at highest setting anyway. This new range of cards is still a massive jump in performance over what we currently have.

It's not poorly coded... it does a LOT more than any other engine out there and looks a heck of a lot better to boot. At similar visual fidelity levels to other games, it performs about as well as they do. There are plenty of games that require Crysis-level performance out there both released and coming soon:

Crysis
Crysis: Warhead
Company of Heroes
The Witcher
STALKER Clear Skies
Assassin's Creed
Age of Conan
Warhammer Online
Devil May Cry 4
Unreal Tournament 3
Fallout 3
Project Origin
Farcry 2
Oblivion with mods such as QTP3/Parallax
HL2 with mods such as Cinematic Mod 7
World In Conflict
Team Fortress 2
Grid
Mafia 2
Empire: Total War
Alan Wake
Mafia 2
Left 4 Dead

among others. 2560x1600, 1920x1200, really even 1680x1050, with any AA + 16X HQ AF and higher/highest in-game settings all demand more graphical power than a 8800GTX or 2x 8800GTS G92 can deliver, unless you consider 20-30FPS "acceptable"
06-13-2008, 11:49 AM
BuBBle.D

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Originally Posted by Linchpin

Seriously why does everyone care so much about Crysis, it's just one poorly coded game and there aren't any titles in the immediate future that will require so much graphics power to run at highest setting anyway.

Far Cry 2 by the looks of it sure will.
06-13-2008, 12:48 PM
Linchpin

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

It's not poorly coded... it does a LOT more than any other engine out there and looks a heck of a lot better to boot. At similar visual fidelity levels to other games, it performs about as well as they do. There are plenty of games that require Crysis-level performance out there both released and coming soon:

Crysis
Crysis: Warhead
Company of Heroes
The Witcher
STALKER Clear Skies
Assassin's Creed
Age of Conan
Warhammer Online
Devil May Cry 4
Unreal Tournament 3
Fallout 3
Project Origin
Farcry 2
Oblivion with mods such as QTP3/Parallax
HL2 with mods such as Cinematic Mod 7
World In Conflict
Team Fortress 2
Grid
Mafia 2
Empire: Total War
Alan Wake
Mafia 2
Left 4 Dead

among others. 2560x1600, 1920x1200, really even 1680x1050, with any AA + 16X HQ AF and higher/highest in-game settings all demand more graphical power than a 8800GTX or 2x 8800GTS G92 can deliver, unless you consider 20-30FPS "acceptable"

Only a couple of the games(like 4-5 if I'm being generous) you list perform on approx. the same level as Crysis others run considerably faster. Witcher or Grid requiring Crysis-level performance, yeah right :rofl:
06-13-2008, 12:50 PM
clayton

Yup. I don't think we should use Crysis as the next-generation hardware benchmark. It doesn't even use multi-threading heavily like Alan Wake baby! And I bet multi GPUs scale way better.
06-13-2008, 12:57 PM
Luka_Aveiro

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Originally Posted by clayton

Yup. I don't think we should use Crysis as the next-generation hardware benchmark. It doesn't even use multi-threading heavily like Alan Wake baby! And I bet multi GPUs scale way better.

CPUs multithreading in games may never be on as you may think, because the CPU needs to wait for GPU info, games are not like Folding@Home or the un-lauched Alan Wake you refer (Intel marketing tbh) that scale very well.

CPUs may be used for physics, but you will have physics on the gpu as well, so a quad-core is good for games may only be a myth.

And Crysis IS multithreaded, there was a thread a week ago or so that pointed that out clearly. :)
06-13-2008, 01:12 PM
bedlamite

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so a quad-core is good for games may only be a myth.

*whispers* UT3 *whispers*
06-13-2008, 01:14 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

It's not poorly coded... it does a LOT more than any other engine out there and looks a heck of a lot better to boot. At similar visual fidelity levels to other games, it performs about as well as they do. There are plenty of games that require Crysis-level performance out there both released and coming soon:

Crysis
Crysis: Warhead
Company of Heroes
The Witcher
STALKER Clear Skies
Assassin's Creed --> HAHA (360 port)
Age of Conan
Warhammer Online
Devil May Cry 4
Unreal Tournament 3 --> HAHA (UE3)
Fallout 3
Project Origin
Farcry 2
Oblivion with mods such as QTP3/Parallax
HL2 with mods such as Cinematic Mod 7
World In Conflict
Team Fortress 2 --> HAHA (Source engine)
Grid --> HAHA (360 port)
Mafia 2
Empire: Total War
Alan Wake
Mafia 2
Left 4 Dead

among others. 2560x1600, 1920x1200, really even 1680x1050, with any AA + 16X HQ AF and higher/highest in-game settings all demand more graphical power than a 8800GTX or 2x 8800GTS G92 can deliver, unless you consider 20-30FPS "acceptable"

There are more, but I have not played them so I can't speak. GRID runs perfectly with 3870 1920x1200 4xAA ;)
06-13-2008, 01:26 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Linchpin

Only a couple of the games(like 4-5 if I'm being generous) you list perform on approx. the same level as Crysis others run considerably faster. Witcher or Grid requiring Crysis-level performance, yeah right :rofl:

They require more horsepower than we have to run smoothly at high res as I said... not as much as Crysis but enough. Even Team Fortress 2 maxed out with 4x AA and 16x HQ AF kills my 2x 8800GT SLI setup at 1680x1050 in a good firefight to 30-40FPS which is not acceptable to me. Witcher is more demanding than it...

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

There are more, but I have not played them so I can't speak. GRID runs perfectly with 3870 1920x1200 4xAA ;)

Grid may not be as demanding then... probably should have left that off. As far as Assassin's Creed, UT3, TF2, they DO indeed take a heavy toll on a rig at highest settings + AA + AF as I said. I really don't call 20, 30, even 40 FPS "runs perfectly" but whatever floats your boat :).
06-13-2008, 01:31 PM
Xello

Who on earth originated this whole 'crysis is poorly coded' FUD? I can't believe it's still lingering on. Like current hardware not being able to max it out means it's "poorly coded" ? :shrug:

It might not be so insubstantial if anyone ever went into more detail than this 'poorly coded' catch phrase.
06-13-2008, 01:31 PM
Chickenfeed

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

2560x1600, 1920x1200, really even 1680x1050, with any AA + 16X HQ AF and higher/highest in-game settings all demand more graphical power than a 8800GTX or 2x 8800GTS G92 can deliver, unless you consider 20-30FPS "acceptable"

I totally agree with you there. I've been using SLI 8800GTS 512s since December and alot of the games maxed on that list don't run well enough for my taste at 1920x1200 and even 1680x1050 in some cases. In some of those with 4xAA we are talking drops in the low 30s frequently, and for me that just doesn't cut it.

I still think a single GTX 280 will be more consistent than Crossfire and to be fair in the end its down to what games you play. If you plan on investing alot of time in a particular game and crossfire/SLI don't deliver in it, then its really a big waste of money at that point. I'll be playing AoC a good bit so whoever offers the best performance in this game will get my money.
06-13-2008, 01:32 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by Xello

Who on earth originated this whole 'crysis is poorly coded' FUD? I can't believe it's still lingering on. Like current hardware not being able to max it out means it's "poorly coded" ? :shrug:

It might not be so insubstantial if anyone ever went into more detail than this 'poorly coded' catch phrase.

Don't you know? Everyone on the internet is an expert in programming. :rofl:
06-13-2008, 01:38 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Don't you know? Everyone on the internet is an expert in programming. :rofl:

The Internet: Where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. :rofl:
06-13-2008, 01:40 PM
YukonTrooper

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Don't you know? Everyone on the internet is an expert in programming. :rofl:

I r uBeR eXpRtZ l33t pR0gRaMMar. I C pLuS pluSS3d y0r m0m. :p:
06-13-2008, 01:54 PM
Unoid

crytek engine not tamed because they did not optimize very well. they should take notes from max payne 2
06-13-2008, 02:01 PM
Xello

Heh i forgot to mention 'unoptimized' it's almost as popular as the 'poor coding'.

Max Payne 2? Correct me if i'm wrong but that's a 5 year old game :shrug: what's it got to do with this?
06-13-2008, 02:53 PM
Loque

That medusa tech demo doesn't look very impressive.. why so low fps for that ?
06-13-2008, 03:03 PM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by Loque

That medusa tech demo doesn't look very impressive.. why so low fps for that ?

cause it was done in 2560x1600 with 8xAA :p:
06-13-2008, 03:13 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Grid may not be as demanding then... probably should have left that off. As far as Assassin's Creed, UT3, TF2, they DO indeed take a heavy toll on a rig at highest settings + AA + AF as I said. I really don't call 20, 30, even 40 FPS "runs perfectly" but whatever floats your boat :).

It depends of the game, 40 FPS in Assassin's Creed is not the same as 40FPS in TF2. Almost every game in your list runs bad for my tastes at high resolutions with AA and AF, but still they're far from being like Crysis. That was my point :up:
06-13-2008, 03:20 PM
[XC] hipno650

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

It depends of the game, 40 FPS in Assassin's Creed is not the same as 40FPS in TF2. Almost every game in your list runs bad for my tastes at high resolutions with AA and AF, but still they're far from being like Crysis. That was my point :up:

your right. for me crysis at 22FPS is way smother than oblivion at 45FPS. crysis is harder to notice lower frame rates in and i find can still be somewhat playable at 25FPS which is something other games can't do.
06-13-2008, 03:33 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Unreal Tournament 3 --> HAHA (UE3)

How Dare Thou Speaketh Ill of UE3 :eek: :eek: Be Ready To Digest Mine Sword Traitorous Knave !!! :mad::mad::mad:

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/743...kknightrx6.jpg

Justice Shalt Be Served !! :stick:

Perkam
06-13-2008, 03:44 PM
conzymaher

UT3 is good but in comparison to UT2k4 its a massive massive let down :(
06-13-2008, 04:44 PM
msgclb

Here's a listing GeForce GTX 200 series of EVGA cards. I'm not sure but I believe this is a Turkish site so if someone can give us a heads up if there's anything else we should know.
06-13-2008, 05:00 PM
acidpython

Well i can't see this being already posted.. scan of an article from PC gamer.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8...1320082sg7.jpg

From past experience PC gamer should be shot several times, but I guess the benchmarks might be interesting

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