The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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03-25-2010, 01:18 PM
-Sweeper_

guru3D review has 35 pages of content right now

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03-25-2010, 01:23 PM
pentium777

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Originally Posted by aver

Skymtl just posted over at HardwareCanucks to stay tuned after the PAX reveal tomorrow as we "won't be dissapointed". I assume that means the reviews will start coming out after the PAX event...

I smell a secret weapon driver or last min optimization (BIOS) that's going to make the RED guys :mad: and wake the beast :shocked: within Fermi.

There is a ton of hype around this card and they aren't going to keep it quiet tomorrow with 8 PC SLI? + 75K projector in 3D? However their claims of 2X faster than current cards could be synthetic tests etc. Hope that's not the case and we're all impressed.
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03-25-2010, 01:23 PM
Monstru

I think everybody will make a 30+ review. I know I will :)
03-25-2010, 01:24 PM
zerazax

Looks like we have a lot of reading ahead! Always exciting times when new generations of cards come out

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Originally Posted by pentium777

I smell a secret weapon driver or last min optimization (BIOS) that's going to make the RED guys :mad: and wake the beast :shocked: within Fermi.

Wishful thinking. It's just a damn release :p:

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There is a ton of hype around this card and they aren't going to keep it quiet tomorrow with 8 PC SLI? + 75K projector in 3D? However their claims of 2X faster than current cards could be synthetic tests etc. Hope that's not the case and we're all impressed.
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Well, just going off those graphs trinibwoy made, its faster but not 2X faster
03-25-2010, 01:35 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by pentium777

You could be the first to receive a fermi, I am sure you'll let us know and I doubt the card will sit in the box for more than a few seconds. Hope you receive it Monday are you close to the e-tailer to get it in 1 day?

They are in PA, a couple states from me, and I ordered with 2-day air shipping, so I am assuming hypothetically if it ships tomorrow that it would arrive Monday.

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Well, just going off those graphs trinibwoy made, its faster but not 2X faster

They said, in the WSJ article, "twice as fast as nVidia's current generation" NOT twice as fast as any current card.
03-25-2010, 01:36 PM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by pentium777

You could be the first to receive a fermi, I am sure you'll let us know and I doubt the card will sit in the box for more than a few seconds. Hope you receive it Monday are you close to the e-tailer to get it in 1 day?

I preorderd one too! But GoldenTiger used faster shipping :cool:
03-25-2010, 01:38 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

They said, in the WSJ article, "twice as fast as nVidia's current generation" NOT twice as fast as any current card.

And where does the comparison to a GTX 285 in the chart and my statement contradict what Nvidia said?

Is that not "nVidia's current generation?"

And what context was their statement based on anyways? Sure, if they ran the Heaven benchmark and said "look, 2x faster than our current GTX285"?

I mean heck, those numbers are from Nvidia's own chart, which people were trumpeting earlier
03-25-2010, 01:38 PM
annihilat0r

I have no idea how the hell you guys can preorder something that you have absolutely no idea of. It's not a $10 spending either, it's frikking 550 dollars
03-25-2010, 01:42 PM
RSC

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

I have no idea how the hell you guys can preorder something that you have absolutely no idea of. It's not a $10 spending either, it's frikking 550 dollars

Faith is a wonderful thing. ;)
03-25-2010, 01:42 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Thanks to trinibwoy for these graphs of those numbers:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5575/480bench.png
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6420/480bench2.png

i do like this kind of work, but think he can give us something like 4870x2 vs 5870. so we can see how it does vs doubling the old card (i suck at nvidia specs so i dont know what half of 480 would be stats wise)
03-25-2010, 01:46 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by RSC

Faith is a wonderful thing. ;)

Wise words I've heard: Forget what people claim their allegiances are too.. how they spend their money speaks louder than words! :D
03-25-2010, 01:47 PM
Just learnin'

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

I have no idea how the hell you guys can preorder something that you have absolutely no idea of. It's not a $10 spending either, it's frikking 550 dollars

I did that with the 8800 Ultra and it was $1,000.00 Canadian at the time. I was into overclocking and hwbot back then and it was excellent fun. It was a fairly long lived card as far as benchmarking was concerned, played games really well too.
03-25-2010, 01:51 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Just learnin'

I did that with the 8800 Ultra and it was $1,000.00 Canadian at the time. I was into overclocking and hwbot back then and it was excellent fun. It was a fairly long lived card as far as benchmarking was concerned, played games really well too.

This, but I'm just after the best gaming card for personal enjoyment... I don't really care about benching nowadays.

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Wise words I've heard: Forget what people claim their allegiances are too.. how they spend their money speaks louder than words! :D

It's not like it isn't returnable if it turns out to be really pathetic... I'll know in advance and be able to refuse shipment if so, but it would have to be very bad for me to do so: I haven't had a good experience with the 5870, so I am pretty much settled on the GTX 480. I haven't spent a dime yet ;).
03-25-2010, 01:51 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by Just learnin'

I did that with the 8800 Ultra and it was $1,000.00 Canadian at the time. I was into overclocking and hwbot back then and it was excellent fun. It was a fairly long lived card as far as benchmarking was concerned, played games really well too.

I had an 8800 Ultra as well back in my day, although I'm not sure I could justify paying that much for a small improvement again (granted, I was one of the frontrunners of 2560x1600 so every bit helped), but the level of dominance of the G80 over the market was definitely the exception and not the rule

Now that we're back in competition and roughly yearly releases (and a slowdown in PC graphic demands it seems), getting a good enough card for my money has been a wiser decision.
03-25-2010, 02:01 PM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by Just learnin'

I did that with the 8800 Ultra and it was $1,000.00 Canadian at the time. I was into overclocking and hwbot back then and it was excellent fun. It was a fairly long lived card as far as benchmarking was concerned, played games really well too.

well the G80s were an excellent generation. For example I'M sure the guys who preordered GTX 280 thought this was the worst decision ever in their lives.
03-25-2010, 02:06 PM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

well the G80s were an excellent generation. For example I'M sure the guys who preordered GTX 280 thought this was the worst decision ever in their lives.

Yeah I saw a few people who pre-ordered 3 GTX280s... only to have to endure the $100+ price drop per card + the abomination known as the 7xx series chipsets :rofl:
03-25-2010, 02:09 PM
Sn0wm@n

we are getting closer to the 90 page mark and still no fermi in sight
03-25-2010, 02:17 PM
highoctane

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

we are getting closer to the 90 page mark and still no fermi in sight

Day before launch & Sn0wm@n keeps complaining...

Are you this pessimistic about everything, reviewers have cards, nda lifts tomorrow, we have the supposed final specs of the cards, we've seen box art as well as physical pictures of the cards.

Out of the 90 pages you've probably made 90 comments of the same nature...
03-25-2010, 02:18 PM
annihilat0r

No, he just desperately wants Fermi to be a gigantic flop. Why, is he an AMD shareholder? No. Then why? He doesn't know. He just feels that way.
03-25-2010, 02:19 PM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by Heinz68

I remember when reading the following post of yours about GF100 possible launch date, l was a little worried that the Metro 2033 might be another TWIMTBG game. So why are you surprised that some people might got the same impression based on "random forum ramblings?"

Maybe because my comment was related to marketing and saaya's was related to software engineering? One is fluff, the other is material.
03-25-2010, 02:19 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

It's not like it isn't returnable if it turns out to be really pathetic... I'll know in advance and be able to refuse shipment if so, but it would have to be very bad for me to do so: I haven't had a good experience with the 5870, so I am pretty much settled on the GTX 480. I haven't spent a dime yet ;).

There is no guarantee that you will get a good experience from the 480 either. As Carfax has repeatedly reminded us, the drivers for this architecture are relatively immature at this point. So while there should be a speed increase with future drivers (I'd guess at least 6% :)) there is the flip side that until the good drivers come out we will have to deal with the bugs that haven't been found yet.
03-25-2010, 02:29 PM
trinibwoy

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

i do like this kind of work, but think he can give us something like 4870x2 vs 5870. so we can see how it does vs doubling the old card (i suck at nvidia specs so i dont know what half of 480 would be stats wise)

Yeah that's tricky. There's no 1/2 Fermi equivalent in the GT200 generation to compare to easily. Best you can do is break down the theoreticals but since the architectures are pretty different that won't tell you much either. Average performance advantage over the GTX 285 was ~45% in Nvidia's benchmarks. That's fine for a refresh but kinda low for a new generation.
03-25-2010, 02:33 PM
Heinz68

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Originally Posted by Just learnin'

I did that with the 8800 Ultra and it was $1,000.00 Canadian at the time. I was into overclocking and hwbot back then and it was excellent fun. It was a fairly long lived card as far as benchmarking was concerned, played games really well too.

I think the 8800 Ultra was the most overpriced Graphic Card ever. Even more than GTX 280 for $650 was.

The Ultra was mainly higher clocked 8800 GTX for which I paid 600 CAD also not cheap but great card for the time. It's hard to believe that somebody was happy to pay 1000 CAD for the 8800 Ultra and I believe very few people did even buy that card.

I paid 700 CAD for the HD 5970, also overpriced but mainly due to the vendors price gouging and AMD not supplying enough of the cards to retail. The MSRP for the the HD 5970 is (or was) 599 USD.
03-25-2010, 02:33 PM
annihilat0r

Actually 5870 is %40 above 4870 too, but it can just be counted as a refresh :D
03-25-2010, 02:38 PM
570091D

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

we are getting closer to the 90 page mark and still no fermi in sight

is it just me, or is this page 66?

new rumor: the gtx480 consumes enough power to pop all the breakers in your house and produces enough heat to then set your house on fire.

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