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Darn... mine is on it's way...Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
http://www.xcpus.com/gallery/d/5151-2/9850.png
Looks like yours was packaged in week 10. When can we expect clocking results?
I'm anxious to see what KTE does with his new lab rat. :P
I picked mine up same day as Tony (we were in the same town ;)) but I've had tons of problems and been pulling my hair out over them.
I'll explain fully later but let me make one thing clear:
My old Phenoms did NOT die! It was a MB/BIOS or less likely, a coldboot problem
When I got my last 9600BE I tested it in my 790FX/780G/770 boards. All three gave me C1 error (memory initialization). It was brand new.
The BIOS I use is P0J and it defaults to 800 RAM, so it wasn't 1066 mode problems.
3 PSUs, two brand new, they weren't the problem nor the rails, nor temperature.
When I got the new 9850, I made sure to test in a working DFI 790FX at my uncles firm. A pain to borrow it off someone, but I wanted to make sure it works fine - booted first time, primed 5mins fine, job done.
Came home, tried all 3 boards I had (MSI 790FX, Abit 770, GBT 780G), all 3 did not boot 9850, same C1 problem. :mad:
Make note: other people may experience this problem -it ONLY occurs if you reset CMOS or shutdown and leave it off to, well, become cold :shrug:
So how did I resolve it?
I just left it on, and let it restart on and on for 2 days. Yesterday night late it started up all by itself.
I can't oc, because if I do it without flashing a new better BIOS, and the oc fails -> clear CMOS, it will very likely not start up for another 2 or more days.
I have to go off, am very busy elsewhere, but let me say it is definitely much better than the B2 in terms of max speed. 2900MHz benched stock voltage however it was not stable. 2800 was rock stable though.
Power draw is higher than an equivalent clocked 9600BE B2 at the same voltage, much higher. They've not just increased voltage but increased current.
I haven't got a heatsink on the CPU yet so can't oc, sorry :p:
Snapped the AM2 mount for HSF and sliced my full finger in a 152CFM Delta - just waiting to get my Xigmatek + Delta on here, which is in a different town :D
CPUZ has problems, it isn't validating again for some odd reason :confused: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=340474
Ah, it only validates upto 14x multi: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=340468
4th try, it validated 2900: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=340489 :rolleyes:
Many tools seem buggy with 9850. Only increased multi yet, not even tried 3000/NB/HT/RAM.
BIOS, 3200 no HSF 1.47v gets stuck at Windows logon.
Stock CPU VID 1.300
Stock CPU Volts 1.296/1.288
Stock NB VID 1.300
Stock NB Volts 1.296/1.288
Stock CPU Speed 2500
Stock CPU Multi 12.5x
Stock HT Speed 200
Stock NB/HT Speed 2000
Some screenshots (I have not tried much, only had a few minutes uptime) and some 2500/2600 comparisons with old 9600 and 9600 BE on the same EVEREST version (no tweak, just normal).
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/121/stockno3.png
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8420/2800nv8.png
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4982/29002am6.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8489/2600evlv9.png
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8733/evmemlz2.png
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2597/evwrkl5.png
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8704/evcopul1.png
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5270/evlatzx5.png
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/738/evcpuzw7.png
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1227/evphotodc3.png
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3092/evzlibag5.png
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2711/evaesbx0.png
I'll push it much later - have too much to sort out. For reference, this is what my last 9600 BE did max stable and it was my fully tweaked 24/7 setting idling less than 3W DC for CPU=>
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3830/4000625om3.png
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4...5871225lv3.png
This time around, I'm going to start off by undervolting at stock speed rather than the other way ;)
BTW its a hot chip, you'll need good cooling for it (under load) but you should know that by its 125W heat output rating. 6400 was a hot chip too. I suspect all air oc's will be limited by cooling, water should do a little better. The Tctl degrees it idles at 2600 stock volts is 14C more than my 9600BE did at 2691 1.352v with stock HSF lying on it (not clamped, but still on).
Very cool, thanks KTE a lot.
Thanks for the info KTE. I just ordered one too! :D
Hopefully I'll be as lucky as you and Tony...
Looks like once you figure out your MB/Bios problems you may be able to get similar results in the 3+Ghz range.
As for your problems, If anyone can figure it out, I'm sure you can! :up:
Nice to know your chips didn't die, you had me a little concerned.. :p:
Keep us posted...
This is just excellent - check this out =>
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4...nqpowerug1.png
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1...tspowerwn9.png
What more could you want from a tool :eek:
Franck, excellent work, thank you! :up:
Guys, you're welcome. I'm only trying to report bare facts and happenings as they occur.. so we can figure things out altogether. There are enough children after spreading FUD about AMD/Phenom at the first minutest chance, so we have to ignore them and just work things out to see facts. Things are just very confusing, even for me. Just look at how long and how many different setups its taking me to work things out.
I have not recommended Phenom before when asked - but this chip is definitely recommendation worthy IMHO. Need much time yet though.
As for the Pi guys, I'll give you some Pi times in a little while despite me being awful at it ;)
Now the tweaking starts :yepp:
errrr..... where is the 3GHz+ clock? :)
It's coming... have faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
LOL, who said anything about 3G? :p:
Sorry Cutie, I thought you knew this is the 2GHz zone :cool:
In case you missed my inference... 3GHz is not hard to screen even at stock volts.
Let me fire up AOD.. one sec.
There ya go.
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1607/3000og8.png
Sorry too busy with other things yet, I'm sure many more will be eager to present many results but I'm going to take my time, learn and tweak things before presenting. Results will come... maybe by next April or so :p: (jk)
Will need time.
Same here 2.8GHz are rock solid on stock voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
:yepp: Seems to be the first sign for too low CPU voltage if takes forever to boot windows or if it's stuck on logon. Already had it a few times in the >2.8GHz range.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Looking at our last 3GHz screeny it may be an os problem.
Did this last time it was quite time intensive. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Thanks for pointing on this, have my monitoring stuff on laptop so i can't use that feature. HWMonitor needs a logging feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Seriously, no doubt!Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Yeah my main problem is ATi GPU drivers. I have them installed. If I go high volts they corrupt and I can't clear them (like now :().
I just tried throwing VID high, could screen 3100=>
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6844/3100ey5.png
But when I put it back 2500 and just kept it at 1.55VID, ATi drivers BSoD within 2 minutes.
so is bios 1.13 able to run the 9850? thinking on ordering from the egg shortly :D
nice SS's btw....
I think I should be able to get 2.9 to 3G fully stable here, as in daily use. That's what my aim is anyway. But voltage/heat/wattage does pump up very quickly after 2850. I'm really not bothered about max MHz, go LN2 and phase if you want to see that or you never will. ;)
I'm trying to tweak CnQ and MSRs - they're not the same as B2 ones. :confused:
In my tinkering I have ran 2G NB at 1.050VID already without problems.
I have been running 1.225VID 1.201v 2600MHz and not had any trouble yet [ATM].
Just to clarify what you see in the above HWMonitor screenshots is:
First you have individual voltages. All are higher than real DMM measurements (real is tuned to output 12v/5v/3.3v exact idle).
Then you have DC wattages for each rail from the source. Apart from "peaks" and 3.3v over 10A, they are all extremely close to accurate. In the total DC Wattages/Amps:-
Look at 12V1, that's the +12V CPU rail only.
12V2 does not exist there, it is not linked up, and HWMon is just doubling the 12V1 over [cancel that out - P-Tuner doesn't pick it up either]
12V3 and 12V4 are both combined to give the above 12V4 reading.
CnQ
So when you see 25.3W 12V1, then that is the power Phenom 9850 BE was pulling at the stock CnQ MHz/Volts. Just to correct it, the actual wattage was 23.52W DC without factoring in VRM losses, that are near the 50-60% region for this board at such current.
System AC wattage was 110W.
Stock no CnQ
Same with when you see 45.96W, just that it was the power being drawn at 2600/1.296v CPU - 2000/1.296v NB setting. Just to correct it, actual wattage was 44.76W DC without factoring in VRM losses, that are near the 60-68% region for this board at such current.
System AC wattage was 123W.
CPU-Z is broken with B3 - many combinations are not validating. Just tried present 200x11.5 2300 setting, its rejected although real. So is 2400, 2200, basically everything but an odd one. We'll have Franck take a look at it.
Jon I'm on P0J, like I said I haven't flashed any other BIOS yet, if I did, I may not get another startup for many days, so I'm delaying it. ;)
Are there any specific things that you want me to try with the Phenom under phase? Or just how it handles htt clocking and such? I'd test the difference between air and vapo, but the only other AM2 mainboard I have running is my crosshair, and I'm not sure I'd want to put it in that to compare because of the difference in bandwidth.
Check this link out guys, it has all the hardware tested and verified on Plat v1: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...&cat3_no=#menu
Oldguy, there's a lot to check out =>
RAM clocking
IMC clocking
HT Ref/Link clocking
Lowest stable
Highest stable
Best Multi
Max benchable
Perf. Scaling
Coldbug
Volts for plus 3G stable
And then compare to if any of it makes any gain over air and water ;)
Maybe they actually scale with voltage and cooling :confused: - even though this is obviously not top bin, top bin is 2 bins above, this is the same bin as what they had in Barcelona B2 set for Xmas release in server world which was canceled when the bug was found and lower than the 9900 they had, but still, it is best bin launched yet so good to test where this arch is going.
If ati drivers=pain
try Omega (think it's 7.12 based) and or Atitraytools,don't rush the phenomenal
there stretch the pleasure;)
What is your option on the 9750?
Also are you going to try for 1.13 bios and check for idle freeze?
Yeah SocketMan I'm going to wait because MSI said they'll give me a preliminary NB option BIOS and then install them, thanks. ;)
Jon :confused:
Did you mean "opinion" instead of "option"?
I'll try 1.13 when I pick up Xig, can't for now but... I don't understand your first qs :D
I've achieved my first goal: CnQ tweak for daily use.
Needless to say, this chip definitely pulls more amps than the previous ones. Less voltage, lower MHz, CnQ, it is idling 20W AC more with the same PSU.
Anyway, this is what I was after -> the chip is purely a tweakers chip :up:
Idle (CnQ): 14.88W DC (not-incl. at least 50% lost in VRM conversion efficiency)
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1025/cnqpowerrd0.png
Idle Full Speed: 43.64W DC (not-incl. at least 40% lost in VRM conversion efficiency)
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5...nqpowerng7.png
CB10 at 2800MHz
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6...00cbmd1.th.png
Sorry fellas incl. those I'm conversing with through PMs and those I owe some help to, I'm off, very tired today and been extremely busy too, so excuse me :yawn:
KTE: is it good result to get 1708 kt/s in winrar bench multithreading on cpu stock and mems on 1:2.66 divider cpu : phenom 9500 i was kinda stunned :D
mem timings 5-5-5-15-30-2t @ 2.1v bios version 1.40
Also ordered 9850 BE... i really hope... that iw will be good one if not ... have to buy second one.
yea sry opinion on the 9750 and have you do any idle testing to see if these are unstable at idle like the b2s where?
So that means you want me to put it in the crosshair so I can get a prelim for how well it overclocks and such? I can do that as long as there is a bios to support the B3's. Too bad that system only has a 7300LE in it...
Sounds like you some DFI love Tye;)
Also what would be a safe "guess" for stable expected OC from New B3?
Stop teasing us... show us that 3.5+Ghz clock :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE