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Because if a single + full Fermi is around 250W like being rumored, this means a dual fermi can pull only 50W faster than a single one, all the while being SLI. There's only a 40 percent overall difference between the 190W 5870 and the 300W 5970. So I figure it'll be much smaller in the case of GF100.Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
nvidia could just put 8165632 8-pin power connectors on the card so it can pull 1.21 gigawatts to deliver benchmarks scores before you even clicked startQuote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
ati deliberately chose to make their dual card <300w. nothing stops manufacturers from making cards that require more power
OMG he's reposting his own "news".... http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17197/65/Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
isn't jedec standard mean they can only take 300w though?Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
spose they could just ignore the spec?
Good job on the tags guys ( wait 'til Gautam or MM sees them ;) ).
2nd... Fuad isn't pulling the dual GPU in April out of his a*s.
As for the performance fighting and :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing... simply wait until the real reviews and the cards are out.
If you're looking for a new VGA, go out and buy one now. But wait, I don't think you needed to hear that from somebody else, you're in control of yourself hopefully :)
They can't be labeled as PCI-e compliant which would shut out a good deal of OEM business. Basically, you wouldn't find the cards in any pre-built PC because manufacturers would be too scared to use a card that is out of power spec and deal with any potential problems it would cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
JEDEC has nothing to do with graphics cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
PCI-sig is in charge of approving the PCI-Express BUS devices, but AFAIK you can release a 300W+ product.
if you google me you'll find me saying that a "395" will launch a "couple of weeks" after 360/380.. with the latest partner information, I decided to lower those expectation to H2. Don't put any money on a April Launch of the 395 (which was originally scheduled for March 2010 with the GTS parts in May.)
The product has to use less than 300W when it's offered to PCI-SIG for certification, they don't care less what your card uses when it OC's.
PCI-SIG consortium does stop manufacturers from making cards above 300w@stock or they don't get PCI-EX certification. I don't think Nvidia would forgo this just to make a faster card.Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
A dual GF100? Either nVidia is going for the total kill with a monster, or I have to make some major changes in my 50-60% calculations.
LAL :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
Where did you get it (and by card I mean 5850 or 5870, the 5700 series have been widely availible since November).
I am curious as it could be certain places have a good deal going with Ati which means I will keep my eye on them for the 2GB model if Fermi does not deliver :up:
John
*insert facepalm pic*Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
I hope you're kidding. And the UK is hardly the entire world...
apparently this didn't hurt ati, their hd 4870 x2 is around 380w.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
if you go to alienware and tell them they can have the fastest graphics card in the world, for a good price and some marketing development funds on top of that, but it's outside of some pci sig spec, do you think they will care?
Why would AMD go to such trouble keeping it below 300W then? Talking about 5970.Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
sorry I remeber someone saying it was JEDEC thats all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
but thats cool, I know the standard is 300W but who cars about standards...
they are more... guidelines :p:
which trouble? their 5870 is fairly low power consumption, by making the dual card like it is right now they leave space for a higher clocked product that is using better binned gpus. dont believe everything marketing tells youQuote:
Originally Posted by SimBy
there is/was no competition, so making the card faster gains you nothing
What? Impossible. 4870x2 is 8+6 pin so it should have a max TDP of 300W. Yes, I know that you can pull more than 75W from a 6pin, but that's outside of its specifications and if it was 380W it would definitely be 8+8 pin.Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
Plus (total consumption)
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/r...3626/17191.png
And
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3...eon4800jk1.gif
I don't know where you are getting your information, but the TDP of the 4870X2 is 286W.Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
i measured 381w under load in furmark, card only, 273w peak 3dmark03 nature
test details here: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/H...0_IceQ/26.html
of course one could argue whether tdp includes stuff like furmark, as far as the spec is concerned i'd say it means "under no circumstances":
"Similarly, a PCI Express 300W Graphics add-in card is defined as a card that exceeds PCI Express
CEM 1.1 and PCI Express 150W 1.0 power delivery or thermal capability and, as such, consumes
greater than 225 W with support for up to 300 W inclusive."
High street vendor. Underneath Glasgow Central Station.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
oh, furmark then. That's another matter entirely and obviously doesn't enter into the TDP equation. So I think it's still safe to say that Nvidia can't make a card above 300W (outside of Furmark, but I think Furmark doesn't make geforce cards jump so much anyway)Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
it will this time around :)Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
check the gtx 295 in my results, jump is similar to 4870 x2 and above 300w
why obvious?Quote:
and obviously doesn't enter into the TDP equation
asus mars is 453w in furmark btw, 2x8 pin = 375w
because 4870x2 has got a PCI-EX certification and all sources I checked list its TDP at below 300W; and I am pretty sure PCI-SIG doesn't test the cards with Furmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard