Can anyone rate the primochill Typhoon III?

Upon further reviewing, I have found that there is cracking at the pump mounting holes and in the moulding for the pump housing :eek:

While I would really like to see this work-out for everyone....but I'm really starting to get worried about a solution.

And these photo's are of a Rev A :shocked:


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If I receive a replacement that works - I will definitely update everyone with the results / report!

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I just order Typhoon III from P-PC. I fell worry.

PS. My English very poor :p:

Well I received my replacement Rev.A res Sat. Installed it Sunday and about 3 minutes after filling and testing the cover to the outlet ports came off. I heard a snap and then I saw the covering inside the res flopping around. Needless to say I'm frustrated, been almost a month without my PC. I left Brain a message, let's hope this gets resolved soon.

Harlock328

Spoke with Brian and he's going to send me out another one asap and more fluid (since I purchased it from him originally). He did't have to send me fluid for free so I really appreciate it. He's been very professional and responsive.

Harlock328

In case no one noticed yet...

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As of May 19th 2010, PrimoChill has decided to stop production and any further pursuit of revisions to the Typhoon III Reservoir System. PrimoChill has exhausted all of its time and resources allotted for any further production on the Typhoon III Reservoir System and has decided that this effort would be better directed towards the new reservoir product line which we believe will exceed the market's expectations . We would like to thank all of our customers and resellers for their patience in working out the kinks and unforeseen events that occurred throughout the life of the T3. Primochill has and will continue to stand behind all users who have received a defective reservoir. Warranty replacements will be handled on a case by case basis.

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Yeah, I think we could all see this one coming.

It's a shame as I think it was a good design. I still have the original one with a yellow band around it and it never had any issues.

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

It's a shame as I think it was a good design. I still have the original one with a yellow band around it and it never had any issues.

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Ditto. Shame to see such a great design amount to almost nothing in the end.

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Originally Posted by karbonkid

Ditto. Shame to see such a great design amount to almost nothing in the end.

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+1 We all saw it coming though. :(

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Originally Posted by karbonkid

Ditto. Shame to see such a great design amount to almost nothing in the end.

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correction, what a great idea or concept... the 'design' leaked (3 times). Designs must meet requirements. The requirement of a reservoir is not to leak. Of course, this of course was not helped by the execution.

whatever, it's over...

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Originally Posted by meanmoe

correction, what a great idea or concept... the 'design' leaked (3 times). Designs must meet requirements. The requirement of a reservoir is not to leak. Of course, this of course was not helped by the execution.

whatever, it's over...

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I don't wanna start an argument dude but Geno's design was solid. Yeah, it had (non-fatal) flaws, but had it been properly manufactured and had users followed the instructions properly, it would not, imho, have cracked or leaked...

to rob a word from Vapor, I vehemently disagree with you. Do you own one. Or better yet, do you have 3 of them sitting on the floor under your desk? The first and second of which came with no instructions. Being a bit of a designer myself (but of slightly more complex systems ;) ) I contend that the 'design' was poor... If there was a requirements tree for this thing it would say "hold water" at the very top, but they leaked and flying molds across the world and changing materials and changing fasteners and all the other applied bandaids didn't change that. A design is more than a pretty cad model man.

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Originally Posted by meanmoe

to rob a word from Vapor, I vehemently disagree with you. Do you own one.

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Yes.

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Or better yet, do you have 3 of them sitting on the floor under your desk?

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No. Working fine to this very day, ~8 months

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The first and second of which came with no instructions.

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Fair point.

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Being a bit of a designer myself (but of slightly more complex systems ;) ) I contend that the 'design' was poor... If there was a requirements tree for this thing it would say "hold water" at the very top, but they leaked and flying molds across the world and changing materials and changing fasteners and all the other applied bandaids didn't change that.

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Fair enough, that's your opinion. All I'm trying to say is that the T3 was much, much more than just "Hey let's stick a D5 on the back of a reservoir with 2 inlets and 2 outlets". A lot of design and thinking went into it to make that concept work. I don't want people to forget that, even if the execution was lacking in most cases.

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A design is more than a pretty cad model man.

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Agreed. IMO, the problem lies in testing. The product was advertised well before launch, creating demand and I doubt any serious testing was done to make sure it worked properly over the long term - they just wanted to get it out there. But there was no way Geno could have known about the problems to come from his end. He did his job, and he did it well.

Not all of them leaked though. My issue was with the Ghost fittings. I overtightened them and they broke.

My res never leaked. It does have some cracking and the choice of material wasn't the greatest, but I agree with karbonkid. Great design, poor execution.

I hope some other company can buy over the design and manufacture it,it is a pity to see such a great design go down the drain.

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Originally Posted by karbonkid

Agreed. IMO, the problem lies in testing. The product was advertised well before launch, creating demand and I doubt any serious testing was done to make sure it worked properly over the long term - they just wanted to get it out there. But there was no way Geno could have known about the problems to come from his end. He did his job, and he did it well.

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Originally Posted by millertime359

Not all of them leaked though. My issue was with the Ghost fittings. I overtightened them and they broke.

My res never leaked. It does have some cracking and the choice of material wasn't the greatest, but I agree with karbonkid. Great design, poor execution.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that neither of you have any formal design/physical engineering experience.

I like Geno also... and in my mind as well, Geno gets an A for effort, but you do not qualify a design based on effort or how much you like a guy.

Testing was mentioned. Testing is part of the design process. You test to (not an all inclusive list)
a) drive down uncertainty during a design process and
b) to verify a design or validate a manufacturing process

in a case of limited testing, standard practice is to over design like hell. In this case, the design was verified by consumers... like me, and it leaked 3 times.

So my conclusion is that:
1) Geno gets and A for effort. He did what he knew. He's a nice guy and I like him.
2) The T3 is an epic failure due to the high failure rate.
3) Due partly to the hype on this forum, I became a sucker and lost money and time.
4) Primochill went above and beyond, but after the fact. (after they took our money)

Nothing personal - believe me I know we live and we learn, but lets be honest about it. Rapt0r, If I was a manufacturer I wouldn't touch the design without factoring in a large effort for re-design (based on the T3 concept).

MT, you got lucky (for now), but not all of the people that you recommended it to were as lucky. No hard feelings -- just victims of poor engineering practice.

Now all that being said, I very much appreciate the fact that someone - Geno in this case - had the balls to go out on their own and push a unique and truly innovative idea to the maketplace - KK, in this we agree very much. I also, in general, appreciate the forum for spotlighting new ideas and new products.

We want to see more innovation like this, but with this hard lesson learned.

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Originally Posted by meanmoe

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that neither of you have any formal design/physical engineering experience.

I like Geno also... and in my mind as well, Geno gets an A for effort, but you do not qualify a design based on effort or how much you like a guy.

Testing was mentioned. Testing is part of the design process. You test to (not an all inclusive list)
a) drive down uncertainty during a design process and
b) to verify a design or validate a manufacturing process

in a case of limited testing, standard practice is to over design like hell. In this case, the design was verified by consumers... like me, and it leaked 3 times.

So my conclusion is that:
1) Geno gets and A for effort. He did what he knew. He's a nice guy and I like him.
2) The T3 is an epic failure due to the high failure rate.
3) Due partly to the hype on this forum, I became a sucker and lost money and time.
4) Primochill went above and beyond, but after the fact. (after they took our money)

Nothing personal - believe me I know we live and we learn, but lets be honest about it. Rapt0r, If I was a manufacturer I wouldn't touch the design without factoring in a large effort for re-design (based on the T3 concept).

MT, you got lucky (for now), but not all of the people that you recommended it to were as lucky. No hard feelings -- just victims of poor engineering practice.

Now all that being said, I very much appreciate the fact that someone - Geno in this case - had the balls to go out on their own and push a unique and truly innovative idea to the maketplace - KK, in this we agree very much. I also, in general, appreciate the forum for spotlighting new ideas and new products.

We want to see more innovation like this, but with this hard lesson learned.

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meanmoe, I could have written this, your spot on IMO, nothing to add.

Too bad, this sucks, oh well.:shrug:

Has Primochill stated what they will be doing with any faulty T3's now the design has been cancelled?
What will happen if mine leaks again?

This all sounds like Primo will not be able to cover failures for the next three years.
Obviously the rev A stock is as prone to failure as the earlier Chinese made ones.

Seems like very early adopters got the best ever made.

Now I'm wondering if Brian would ship me $120 worth of LTR of my choice, least I'd get something useful for my hard earned money. Also the tubing is all they have that I'd ever use.

I'll never spend another dime there now.

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Originally Posted by the finisher

.....Seems like very early adopters got the best ever made....

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Seems like I'll have a chance to get another early adopter special - best ever made version - as option 3 for those with defective T3's is:

=> Wait for Typhoon IV release(which you will get a free replacement). We anticipate this to be ready in 30-45 days. Will be a Delrin version with tons of new updates.

This might be the end-all-solution....er....please don't burst my bubble with facts to the contrary...lol

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Originally Posted by DTR

=> Wait for Typhoon IV release(which you will get a free replacement). We anticipate this to be ready in 30-45 days. Will be a Delrin version with tons of new updates.

This might be the end-all-solution....er....please don't burst my bubble with facts to the contrary...lol

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Do you have a e-mail conformation on that?

I know you said not to burst your bubble but last i heard, Geno (BoxGods) didn't sell them that version and there was a bit of a serious falling out between them.

I would love a delrin T3 but I can't see primochill giving us them for free.
They cost a small fortune to manufacture, do they not?
Also Geno kept the delrin version for himself.

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Originally Posted by DTR

Seems like I'll have a chance to get another early adopter special - best ever made version - as option 3 for those with defective T3's is:

=> Wait for Typhoon IV release(which you will get a free replacement). We anticipate this to be ready in 30-45 days. Will be a Delrin version with tons of new updates.

This might be the end-all-solution....er....please don't burst my bubble with facts to the contrary...lol

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I'm curious where you saw this too. Primochill's site says they are stopping all production and there will be no revisions.

Geno hinted that he still wants to make the Delrin model on his own, but I haven't seen anything more about that myself.

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Do you have a e-mail conformation on that?

Re: Delrin version of T3
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Well I do....thought everyone got that email....or maybe just people with more serious issues / lucky....I don't know and certainty don't mean to start an issue about it. But yes , that was what I was told....was not specified as private...I guess my bad if it was.