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03-12-2009, 08:27 AM
dejanh

Quote:

Originally Posted by bustamove44

:) I wasnt trying to be logical, it was an attempt at humour to lighten the thread up a bit.:rolleyes:

The point is really that the chips ive tried including the 920 have wildly varying tolerances. of course that knowledge is far from new but it does answer a few questions now ive had the opportunity to see for myself.

Look at djanehs last screen, to run at those voltages stable with ht on tells me He has a very nice chip, some of these chips are very leaky some are not so bad. im trying to work out if its the imc in the chip that is the most likely contributing factor dependant on overclockability, my 'walls' have looked like memory walls but the memory is ok which tells me the imc is the hurdle. or as Cstkl pointed out very early on the qpi card set up Asus went for on this board or a combination of the two.

I probably didnt make a lot of sense there but im sure you get the idea of what I mean. This thread is about the R2E its relationship with the cpu and memory is crucial of course. I'm now thinking that this board is so finely tuned, its not allowing for intolerances like some of the other boards are, hence were seeing higher oc's on other boards. I dont believe now that this board is incapable I think it just needs a more fluent combination of parts for it to shine.
for example this board shines with the 965 chip [not all] but some, having those extra multis allows more tolerance.:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyea

LOL, I was just kidding as well. Your are lucky though, getting a mulligan like that. But it's true what you say, I think this board, made for overclockers, isn't so special. I can run my chip at 3.8 1.27v w/HT, but to get any higher requires a hell of a lot more voltages (think mid 1.4's). I sure hope they can get that sorted. Mind you I haven't tried the chip on another board so my opinion is slightly slanted.

Well, here is the thing. The way I see it there is a two fold problem here...

1. With previous Intel chipset boards, you had a variety of chipsets some of which were considered high end, others mid range or mainstream. Take for instance P35 vs. X38 or P45 vs. X48. However, with the introduction of X58 there is only one chipset and every manufacturer is using it. This in turn dilutes the chipset's appeal as high end and it indeed makes it mainstream, that is for anyone who wants to or owns an i7 platform. Therefore, there is nothing really to differentiate the high end boards like R2E, DFI, or Giga Extreme from the average run of the mill boards like P6T, UD5, entry level DFI, MSI, etc. The only differentiation point is couple of bonuses you find on certain boards over others. That's it, and unfortunately that is not enough to call any board based on the X58 chipset trully high end. They are all high end (or rather mainstream now).
2. I would definitely not go so far as to say that other boards give better clocks. I do not think that they do and I have not seen evidence of this either. They all clock about the same in terms of the BCLK, they all experience roughly the same issues with memory, Uncore, etc., just depends on how much people write about it vs. how much they keep quiet. Yeah, R2E has some issues, but I do not think limiting the overclocks is one. Prior to BIOS 1104 there was a distinct advantage of running non-R2E boards due to the turbo throttle issue but this has since been resolved which now makes the R2E "just like every other board out there". Pretty crappy if you ask me, but an unfortunate byproduct of how Intel decided to treat Nehalem launch.

Pay close attention to the EVGA Classified now. I will bet you that not only will it not blow away the competition motherboards, it may still not even come out as the best overall board. There is no best if everyone is basically the same and the Classified will have to work with the same X58 chipset and with the same Core i7 chip. No surprises there, no miracles either. Don't expect that any board will give you "more" overclocking headroom unless you are maybe looking at the ultra narrow market segment of trully extreme overclockers going just for records and no stability at all.

Just my $0.02.
03-12-2009, 10:12 AM
BustaH

Theres more to it than just the chipset, what set the x48 rampage extreme apart from all the other x48 boards in terms of overclocking? Its the clean power delivery through the phases.

We are definitely seeing in terms of overclocking the Dfi and evga even gigabyte to some degree, better overclocking results. im talking in terms of numbers achieved and also you have to have some kind of stability to run for example a multi threaded benchmark lets take wprime 1024. that app will run your cpu at near on 100% per core per thread even. or 3dmark vantage when you reach the cpu tests on that benchmark your cpu and memory needs to be pretty much stable or the pc will freeze or crash.

Im very interested to see what happens with the Evga classified board, there has been a lot of hype and we know that these things get hyped way over into legend status before they even get fully tested in the consumers world, however the guy behind the technical design of that board is probably among the top three or four overclockers in the world no question and if anyone can get the platform working well its Him.
03-12-2009, 11:48 AM
Venom-Crusher

My Result with BIOS 1104 :)

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Venom-1/p-071.jpg

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Venom-1/p-027.jpg

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/...prime-218f.png

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/...prime-218i.png

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/...s/32m2-221.png

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Pegazus/v-221.png

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Pegazus/01-221.jpg

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Pegazus/03-221.jpg

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Pegazus/05-221.jpg

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Pegazus/06-221.jpg

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Pegazus/van-221.png

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/Pegazus/aq2-221.png

My config @ Bclk218 : http://www.vmodtech.com/modules.php?...pid=458&page=8
03-12-2009, 03:08 PM
BustaH

very nice vantage score venom crusher, what highest bclck your chip will do?
03-12-2009, 03:10 PM
headala

Venom-crusher, Sawadee, you're only allowed 136 screenshots per post. :) Just kidding. Wow, you've been hard at work! Could you post your voltages?

I come to BKK twice a year; we'll have to get together and do some OC'ing next time!
03-12-2009, 04:53 PM
Venom-Crusher

Quote:

Originally Posted by bustamove44

very nice vantage score venom crusher, what highest bclck your chip will do?

Highest I can do is that you see, Bclk220.8MHz by plain water.

Quote:

Originally Posted by headala

Venom-crusher, Sawadee, you're only allowed 136 screenshots per post. :) Just kidding. Wow, you've been hard at work! Could you post your voltages?

I come to BKK twice a year; we'll have to get together and do some OC'ing next time!

Oh I hope that, we may can are likely do that thing together.:up:

My config @ Bclk218 : http://www.vmodtech.com/modules.php?...pid=458&page=8
03-13-2009, 03:09 AM
Brashen

Hey guys I recently upgraded my ram to 12 gb of Dominators 1600.

I had to place the timings specified by the Corsair forums so that I could run them at 1600. My question is this, if I want to OC my cpu will I need to change the timings set on my DIMMs? I'm not looking to OC further than 3.8Ghz.

System in Sig.

Thanks guys.
03-13-2009, 01:03 PM
buzzard1

Please Help me

Ive looked over this thread like crazy but I have some questions that only some of the better overclockers can answer.

Im using the bios 1104 and have tried several methods of overclocking. Post #7 that uses hyper threading off allows me to do blk 200 x 21 with turbo mode on stable. With this setting I get great 3dmark06 scores but crappy 3dvantage scores. I allow hyper threading and my temps go up and I have to lower my blk to 193(stable). Now I get better 3d vantage but crappier 3dmark06. The scores are very noticable and I would really like to know how to get my computer to be the fastestest it can be and not for just one app. Is turbo mode worth it? Is hyper threading just hype?

Btw I also didnt get much performance increase when I added a second 4870x2! All the $ I wasted :( grr

My specs:
i7 920
rampage extreme
water cooling with 2 radiators (fairly good cooling)
All water blocks are form danger den
2 x 4870x2 in crossfire with dd water blocks
2x raptor 300 gb in raid 0
1000 watt true power 4 rail antec psu
03-13-2009, 01:15 PM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzard1

Ive looked over this thread like crazy but I have some questions that only some of the better overclockers can answer.

Im using the bios 1104 and have tried several methods of overclocking. Post #7 that uses hyper threading off allows me to do blk 200 x 21 with turbo mode on stable. With this setting I get great 3dmark06 scores but crappy 3dvantage scores. I allow hyper threading and my temps go up and I have to lower my blk to 193(stable). Now I get better 3d vantage but crappier 3dmark06. The scores are very noticable and I would really like to know how to get my computer to be the fastestest it can be and not for just one app. Is turbo mode worth it? Is hyper threading just hype?

Btw I also didnt get much performance increase when I added a second 4870x2! All the $ I wasted :( grr

My specs:
i7 920
rampage extreme
water cooling with 2 radiators (fairly good cooling)
All water blocks are form danger den
2 x 4870x2 in crossfire with dd water blocks
2x raptor 300 gb in raid 0
1000 watt true power 4 rail antec psu

hmm ure issue is nothing about overclocking bro

its just on how os and benchmarking programs utilizes the cpu core and ht.
vista i know for one is a headache with HT
reason is vista see's 8 threads cpu 0-7
so when a program stresses 2 cores like 3dmark06 gc test
it runs cpu 0,1 two threads but actually its just one core.
and hence worse scores with ht on.

gaming overall .. off ht. with ht get a lot of stuttering.

so think somebody mention here before until os and software s knows how to utilize the cores more efficiently.. for gaming suggest to disable ht.
unless ure into scores only.

xp however u get full on gc scores and cpu go figure but in ure case crossfire x wont work
03-13-2009, 01:32 PM
Fire4Wire

i love my ASUS Contact Man
The Bios is "hot" (Date)

http://www.abload.de/img/zwischenablage01jxx8.jpg
03-13-2009, 01:34 PM
buzzard1

So your Saying for all around performance on 64bit vista I should run Hyper Threading off? I like to game but I dont want to limit myself to it. My temps are way lower with hyper threading off so maybe it would be a good thing can any one eles collaborate on this issue? Only reason I went to the x58 chipset was to get better fps with multi cards. I think amd sux atm. Im mad at my benchmarks when I spent a crap load of money in this machine , not to mention the time to overclock and research. ( sorry I just vented)

Btw I never included that im running vista 64 and 6 gigs of corsair 3 channel ram @1600 mhz

thanks for the input guys it really means alot. :)

send a link for the 1204 bios dude and lets get soem results :P
03-13-2009, 01:42 PM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzard1

So your Saying for all around performance on 64bit vista I should run Hyper Threading off? I like to game but I dont want to limit myself to it. My temps are way lower with hyper threading off so maybe it would be a good thing can any one eles collaborate on this issue?

Btw I never included that im running vista 64 and 6 gigs of corsair 3 channel ram @1600 mhz

thanks for the input guys it really means alot. :)

google it
its been one of the first thing ppl :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about i7.
03-13-2009, 01:45 PM
cstkl1

ps run 3dmark06 and vantage with ht on and off on ure vista 64
see ure gc scores dont bother about the cpu scores.
see any 1k-2k jump??
03-13-2009, 03:10 PM
headala

1201 wasn't ever officially released and now we have 1204? Interesting.
03-13-2009, 05:17 PM
crazyea

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzard1

So your Saying for all around performance on 64bit vista I should run Hyper Threading off? I like to game but I dont want to limit myself to it. My temps are way lower with hyper threading off so maybe it would be a good thing can any one eles collaborate on this issue? Only reason I went to the x58 chipset was to get better fps with multi cards. I think amd sux atm. Im mad at my benchmarks when I spent a crap load of money in this machine , not to mention the time to overclock and research. ( sorry I just vented)

Btw I never included that im running vista 64 and 6 gigs of corsair 3 channel ram @1600 mhz

thanks for the input guys it really means alot. :)

send a link for the 1204 bios dude and lets get soem results :P

HT is only a real benefit with encoding or rendering. If you don't rely on that, then its perfectly fine for you to disable HT.
03-13-2009, 06:48 PM
markm75

Rampage Extreme II + 12GB memory, 920 i7, OC to 3.2GHZ, best settings anyone?

I'm finally stable with my 920 i7 on this motherboard and also 12GB of ram (corsair dominator, see sig for exact spec)..

Currently i leave everything on auto, except ram i have at 1.65v and qpi volts at 1.35v, i've turned off the spectrums.. The only other setting change i made was setting the ram at 999-24, though i could probably hit 888-24 ok as well..

This is all at 2.66ghz...

Can anyone shoot me some changes i should make to run ok at 3.2ghz?

I've tried the OC cpu option, where you can pick say 3.2ghz manually from the list, and it sets cpu volts at 1.31, but i froze on loading vista.. (i set ram to 1604 manually)

I'm now trying a blck at 166 and ram at 1604 or so and see how that goes.. (i also set the cpu volts to 1.35v, qpi still at 1.35v).. update.. this setting froze on me during a video render test.. ( i did notice in the bios the cpu volts were over 1.35v, perhaps i need to up the cpu volts is all? I thought 1.35v was the max safe limit for the 920)

Thanks
03-13-2009, 08:26 PM
Brashen

Will none answer my question???
03-13-2009, 09:52 PM
crazyea

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brashen

Hey guys I recently upgraded my ram to 12 gb of Dominators 1600.

I had to place the timings specified by the Corsair forums so that I could run them at 1600. My question is this, if I want to OC my cpu will I need to change the timings set on my DIMMs? I'm not looking to OC further than 3.8Ghz.

System in Sig.

Thanks guys.

no, you shouldn't as long as you chose the corresponding divider that keeps your ram at or below spec.
03-13-2009, 11:01 PM
If6was9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire4Wire

i love my ASUS Contact Man
The Bios is "hot" (Date)

http://www.abload.de/img/zwischenablage01jxx8.jpg

Please share the bios
03-14-2009, 11:08 AM
FoX360

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire4Wire

i love my ASUS Contact Man
The Bios is "hot" (Date)

http://www.abload.de/img/zwischenablage01jxx8.jpg

Please share the bios :)
03-14-2009, 12:08 PM
Prince21

Its already shared Im using it, goto first page if you look you will find.

Edit: ah :banana::banana::banana::banana: my bad we have bios 1201

whats hot about 1204?
03-14-2009, 01:42 PM
Xel_NaGa

:brick::brick::brick::brick::brick:looking for some help here.

I AM SO FRUSTRATED with this board. So I had issues getting the board to post. the board would always only light up the HD_LED next to the pata connector and the BIOS LED. eventually after playing around with the memory location (A2) I was able to post the board and thought "man I should update the bios because of all these querks" .... well I went to 1104 and it posted once... now I cant get the board to do anything but have the HD_LED light up and the bios light on... anything sound similar here? anyone else have this issue? or similar? I did get it to post once more (1104) with no video card and one stick of memory in the last blue slot. any info or would be greatly appreciated please do tell! I also get the same results if i force BIOS #2 (which I didn't update)

I have
Core i7 920
PSU EGX1000EWL
memory OCZ3X1600LV6GK

The little LCD poster just says welcome and then begins counting.
03-14-2009, 06:22 PM
headala

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xel_NaGa

:brick::brick::brick::brick::brick:looking for some help here.

I AM SO FRUSTRATED with this board. So I had issues getting the board to post. the board would always only light up the HD_LED next to the pata connector and the BIOS LED. eventually after playing around with the memory location (A2) I was able to post the board and thought "man I should update the bios because of all these querks" .... well I went to 1104 and it posted once... now I cant get the board to do anything but have the HD_LED light up and the bios light on... anything sound similar here? anyone else have this issue? or similar? I did get it to post once more (1104) with no video card and one stick of memory in the last blue slot. any info or would be greatly appreciated please do tell! I also get the same results if i force BIOS #2 (which I didn't update)

I have
Core i7 920
PSU EGX1000EWL
memory OCZ3X1600LV6GK

The little LCD poster just says welcome and then begins counting.

Do you have a fan plugged into the CPU fan header? Is your 8-pin plugged in?
Is your rig in a case? Take it out and put it on the plastic shell that came with the mobo.
Do you have any cards other than your video? Including the sound? Take it all out except for one video card.
Do you have another PSU to try? Even a smaller one? This mobo is very picky with the PSU.
03-14-2009, 07:57 PM
Xel_NaGa

Quote:

Originally Posted by headala

Do you have a fan plugged into the CPU fan header? Is your 8-pin plugged in?
Is your rig in a case? Take it out and put it on the plastic shell that came with the mobo.
Do you have any cards other than your video? Including the sound? Take it all out except for one video card.
Do you have another PSU to try? Even a smaller one? This mobo is very picky with the PSU.

Right after I posted this I went to grab some dinner and thought the only thing I haven't tried was a different PSU (even though im typeing on a PC running on that PSU) so I picked up an Antec 550w from best buy (gatta love the BBY rental policy) and it instantly fired up and works AMAZINGLY man do i love that animated bios logo.... so looks like you nailed it with that 4th recommendation thanks for the support!

SO... does this mean something is wrong with my enermax galaxy? or does it just not like this PSU? should I RMA the PSU? is anyone else running the EGX1000EWL in their R2E system? or look for a new PSU? if so what should I get? Im looking to OC to at least 3.6-4.0 and im running 3x285GTX. I was looking at the Corsair 1000HX or is that not enough? what do you guys think?
03-14-2009, 08:17 PM
headala

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xel_NaGa

Right after I posted this I went to grab some dinner and thought the only thing I haven't tried was a different PSU (even though im typeing on a PC running on that PSU) so I picked up an Antec 550w from best buy (gatta love the BBY rental policy) and it instantly fired up and works AMAZINGLY man do i love that animated bios logo.... so looks like you nailed it with that 4th recommendation thanks for the support!

SO... does this mean something is wrong with my enermax galaxy? or does it just not like this PSU? should I RMA the PSU? is anyone else running the EGX1000EWL in their R2E system? or look for a new PSU? if so what should I get? Im looking to OC to at least 3.6-4.0 and im running 3x285GTX. I was looking at the Corsair 1000HX or is that not enough? what do you guys think?

Man, I'm SOOO glad you figured it out! IMHO a lot of problems with this board are due to it's narrow selection of (undocumented) compatible PSUs. I think as long as you have the Antec from BB, you might as well RMA it and see if the replacement works better. Worst that can happen is you have the same problem.

I use a PCP&C 750W and mine runs like a champ; I'm very blessed in that regard. Maybe you should look through some of this thread and see what other folks who post good experiences have listed in their sigs for their PSU???

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