The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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03-24-2010, 08:41 PM
96redformula

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Originally Posted by pentium777

Metro 2033 18 to 31 = 72% and I'd bet drivers increase this % but 72% is very respectable. Makes the game playable at 2560x

I just beat it today, not even worth playing with all the games that just released, BC2, Bioshock, Mass Effect 2....much more
03-24-2010, 09:27 PM
tajoh111

The performance really isn't that spectacular in those NV charts for skepticism to be that strong. With a card being this late to the game its not living up to what was initially hyped. In retrospect however, late cards rarely are as fast as the delays would make them out to be. E.g 1800xt, gf5800, 2900xt. Coming out late in the past has never been a good sign of things to come. But to me, even if this turns out to be true, this is a pretty big let down, even more so than the 5870 turned out to be.

The game selection isn't particularly biased either when you consider all these games are popular and a lot of typically Nvidia uncentric games were included like battleforge and stalker(however improvements have been shown). Ironically these games show the biggest improvement over the older generation of cards and actually look like strong titles.

If these graphs are partially true, then we can look at one hell of a performance jump with drivers later on. It looks like Nvidia's approach to designing the drivers this time around was focusing on weaker games first. I can only imagine the previously stronger titles like crysis will only get stronger in the future. Since this is a new architecture and it's more programmable than before, driver headroom has never been greater. 4 months isn't a along time to build up performance and we should be seeing a 10 percent performance jump as the minimum, especially considering the jumps from the g80 drivers and gtx gtx280 drivers or in more recent times the 58xx series.

I think the headroom on the gtx 480 should be near SLI gtx 285 levels. However memory bandwidth will probably hurt this.

Official reviews will show the good, the bad and the ugly, but from what appears to be the most comprehensive leak, the card has gotten alot less ugly and is just fugly at this point.
03-24-2010, 09:49 PM
ajaidev

If the score are true GTX 480 has huge performance "a few pages back" leads in Farcry 2 and Batman AA so if you like either of those two you should get GTX 480 for sure :)

only 2x hours left i hope nvidia lets out reviews because it would really suck if we have no reviews and only specs.
03-24-2010, 10:03 PM
Marios

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Originally Posted by Sushi Warrior

You know, it does make you feel good to see things that agree with your opinion (studies have shown this) so if you are pre-dispositioned towards Nvidia it physically (well, mentally I guess) makes you genuinely feel good to see benchmarks/reviews saying Fermi is better. You don't even have to be a fanboi, you just need to have some hope/want for Fermi to perform well.

And most of these leaks are not matching up, all I can really say is wait just a day or two.

Sky said that he was going to check whether or not the NDA expires at 6PM on the 26th or just on the 26th... possibly some down-under reviews ahead of time?

Even though psychology is important, GeForce Fermi performance expectations are mostly based on facts.

GTX480 compared to HD5870 has
250W vs 188W Power draw
2800 vs 2100 million Transistors
700 vs 850 MHz Graphics Clock
1401 vs 850 MHz Processor Clock
1536 vs 1024 MB GDDR5 Memory
GTX480 is 6 months late.

The most important factor is power draw.
GeForce GTX 480 needs 33% more power at least (maybe even more - according to nApoleon).
So most ppl would expect 33% better performance to justify the increased power consumption (along with room temperature and noise increase).

I would justify to purchase GeForce GTX480 in case
- most of the games I play have 33% better performance/quality than HD5870 at my screen resolution
- the performance boost turns some unplayable games to playable
- I want some special capabilities like 3D vision, GPGPU etc.
- the price is right (about 33% more expensive)
03-24-2010, 10:10 PM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by Marios

Even though psychology is important, GeForce Fermi performance expectations are mostly based on facts.

GTX480 compared to HD5870 has
250W vs 188W Power draw
2800 vs 2100 million Transistors
700 vs 850 MHz Graphics Clock
1401 vs 850 MHz Processor Clock
1536 vs 1024 MB GDDR5 Memory
GTX480 is 6 months late.

The most important factor is power draw.
GeForce GTX 480 needs 33% more power at least (maybe even more - according to nApoleon).
So most ppl would expect 33% better performance to justify the increased power consumption (along with room temperature and noise increase).

I would justify to purchase GeForce GTX480 in case
- most of the games I play have 33% better performance/quality than HD5870 at my screen resolution
- the performance boost turns some unplayable games to playable
- I want some special capabilities like 3D vision, GPGPU etc.
- the price is right (about 33% more expensive)

Yep the power consumption if true looks bad, ati can release a 5950 "2*1440" and do pretty well against the GTX 480 for the same/similar power requirement.
03-24-2010, 10:31 PM
Vardant

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Originally Posted by Marios

So most ppl would expect 33% better performance to justify the increased power consumption (along with room temperature and noise increase).

WTH? Stop making sh*t up as you go. Most people? How many do you know exactly?

GTX 260 draws 147W under load, HD 4890 draws 190W. Is anyone really expecting, that HD 4890 is gonna be 30% faster or otherwise it sucks?

Silly season is one thing, but this is insane :down:
03-24-2010, 10:35 PM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by Vardant

WTH? Stop making sh*t up as you go. Most people? How many do you know exactly?

GTX 260 draws 147W under load, HD 4890 draws 190W. Is anyone really expecting, that HD 4890 is gonna be 30% faster or otherwise it sucks?

Silly season is one thing, but this is insane :down:

But more power consumption does mean need for better psu. Not every one has 1000w psu's u know.
03-24-2010, 10:40 PM
Vardant

This is high-end we're talking about. Everyone who buys high-end has a PSU, that will be able to handle it. GTX 275 draws 220W, GTX 285 244W, if anyone is upgrading from these cards, he's pretty much ready.
03-24-2010, 10:40 PM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

But more power consumption does mean need for better psu. Not every one has 1000w psu's u know.

Honestly, the GTX480 will run on any decent PSU 550W and up. If it's a really good PSU it will probably run on an even lower rated one as well.

And anybody in the market for a GTX480 type card will not have PSU problems.
03-24-2010, 10:42 PM
Macadamia

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Originally Posted by Vardant

WTH? Stop making sh*t up as you go. Most people? How many do you know exactly?

GTX 260 draws 147W under load, HD 4890 draws 190W. Is anyone really expecting, that HD 4890 is gonna be 30% faster or otherwise it sucks?

Oh look who's pulling :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of their ass now :rolleyes:

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Silly season is one thing, but this is insane :down:

YAY, we're gonna let a temporary member that started posting this month ONLY related to nVidia stuff judge our hardware purchasing habits!

If you want a website where everyone thinks like Dear Leader you're welcome to go to SLIZone.
03-24-2010, 10:53 PM
Vardant

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

Oh look who's pulling :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of their ass now :rolleyes:

Say what?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video...ysis_power.png

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

YAY, we're gonna let a temporary member that started posting this month ONLY related to nVidia stuff judge our hardware purchasing habits!

You wanna blame someone? Blame this - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=244732

And obviously join date means everything, it's not like I could have been posting on different forums, no sir.
03-24-2010, 10:54 PM
ToxAvenger

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Originally Posted by Vardant

WTH? Stop making sh*t up as you go. Most people? How many do you know exactly?

GTX 260 draws 147W under load, HD 4890 draws 190W

The 260 is a ~180 watt card IIRC.

NE way, we have what, about 24 hours to go before reviews hit? Less? :shocked:
03-24-2010, 10:55 PM
mindfury

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Originally Posted by Vardant

GTX 260 draws 147W under load, HD 4890 draws 190W. Is anyone really expecting, that HD 4890 is gonna be 30% faster or otherwise it sucks?

4890 is 30% faster than GTX260 at 19X12 8xAA

http://i40.tinypic.com/288ox2f.jpg

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...formancerating
03-24-2010, 11:02 PM
Vardant

And it's also only 2% faster in 1680x1050 with 4xAA, 7% faster in 1920x1200 with 4xAA and 15% in 2560x1600 with 4xAA.
03-24-2010, 11:04 PM
mindfury

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Originally Posted by Vardant

And it's also only 2% faster in 1680x1050 with 4xAA, 7% faster in 1920x1200 with 4xAA and 15% in 2560x1600 with 4xAA.

And it's nearly 30% faster than GTX260 in 1680x1050 8xAA,over 70% faster than GTX275 in 2560x1600 with 8xAA.:clap:
03-24-2010, 11:07 PM
Marios

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vardant

WTH? Stop making sh*t up as you go. Most people? How many do you know exactly?

GTX 260 draws 147W under load, HD 4890 draws 190W. Is anyone really expecting, that HD 4890 is gonna be 30% faster or otherwise it sucks?

Silly season is one thing, but this is insane :down:

Talking about silly and insane seasons
GTX 260 draws 182W
03-24-2010, 11:08 PM
Vardant

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Originally Posted by mindfury

And it's nearly 30% faster than GTX260 in 1680x1050 8xAA,over 70% faster than GTX275 in 2560x1600 with 8xAA.:clap:

And from the 7 games tested in 1920x1200 with 8xAA only 3 get playable framerates, one barely hits 30fps average and the others are unplayable.

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Originally Posted by Marios

Talking about silly and insane seasons
GTX 260 draws 182W

Maximum Graphics Card Power (W) 182 W

:shakes:
03-24-2010, 11:08 PM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vardant

And it's also only 2% faster in 1680x1050 with 4xAA, 7% faster in 1920x1200 with 4xAA and 15% in 2560x1600 with 4xAA.

You mean 8%, 15%, and xx% since 2560x1600 4xAA isn't listed?
03-24-2010, 11:09 PM
ToxAvenger

25% more performance for 35% more power consumption is fine by me, assuming that is where the GTX 480 will end up vs the 5870. Big assumption?
03-24-2010, 11:12 PM
Vardant

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

You mean 8%, 15%, and xx% since 2560x1600 4xAA isn't listed?

I got my numbers from here http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...ting_qualitaet
03-24-2010, 11:17 PM
mindfury

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vardant

And from the 7 games tested in 1920x1200 with 8xAA only 3 get playable framerates, one barely hits 30fps average and the others are unplayable.

GTX480's Metro 2033 and stalker CS benchmarks are also under 30FPS in reviewers guides.:clap:

Typical double-standard fanboy....
03-24-2010, 11:33 PM
YukonTrooper

Ladies, ladies, please. Why ya'll arguing red and green? Even worse, Fermi isn't even involved in the argument. "Red!" "No, green!" "No, red!" "TWIMTBP!" "To hell with your dear leader!"

Silly.
03-24-2010, 11:35 PM
Marios

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vardant

Maximum Graphics Card Power (W) 182 W

:shakes:

ATi Radeon HD 4890: Max Power Draw: 190W

nVidia GeForce GTX 260: Max Power Draw: 182W
03-24-2010, 11:45 PM
Vardant

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfury

GTX480's Metro 2033 and stalker CS benchmarks are also under 30FPS in reviewers guides.:clap:

Typical double-standard fanboy....

Do you see me jumping to conclusions, because something that may or may not be real leaked? :rolleyes:

It's two days away, maybe less...just relax a little.
03-24-2010, 11:47 PM
Sn0wm@n

if fermi isnt out tomorow and its only the end of nda we might have time left to make it to page 90 of thread 3 LOL

all of this for the 6th of course

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