definately not as a result of my actions. ... CHEAP molded top... is the problem.
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definately not as a result of my actions. ... CHEAP molded top... is the problem.
wow, looks like swiftech did an unusually shoddy job with this block then... poor build quality, horrendous name, ugly block. doesn't bode well in my mind for testing results, but thats just conjecture.
I ordered a storm, just so I can do a side by side demonstration of what un-checked greed is capable of. Build quality is right out the window on this thing.
It has a better chance of leaking all over the place, than it does beating the storm or any other quality block.
well what i meant is that if they are big enough to cause damage then they would probably sink to the bottom of the resevior before it reached the pump. I don't think copper shavings (?) "float" or "travel" through your wc loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaptCrunch
if your flowrates are low enough for copper shavings to fall out of the water, you probably have bigger concerns with your pump (or a stupidly huge res)
much less those of us who use T-Lines would be particularly in trouble. what i'd think most likely to happen is the copper shavings would get stuck in your rad, but could still easily wreak havoc elsewhere.
I can tell you that the storm is a work of art :D No skimping there.Quote:
Originally Posted by orkan
Looky here: http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=485&p=8
The Apogee setup only performs one degree celcius better than the Corsair cool setup. Here's what's funny about that from what I recall about the Corsair cool.
Corsair COOL:
MCW6000
MCR120 (single 120mm rad)
MCP350 pump
3/8" ID Tubing
Swiftech APEX Ultra:
Apogee
MCR220 (dual 120mm rad)
MCP655 (higher head pressure and flow rate than MCP350)
1/2" ID Tubing
The difference between the kits under load, 1c? Shouldn't the APEX Ultra done a lot better than that? I mean, it had twice the rad power and pumping power, and supposedly the best block ever made (Apogee) according to swiftech....so, why the anemic performance? Fishy... :rolleyes:
The Apex ultra uses 7/16" ID tubing. Hard to believe there would only be a 1 degree difference in those two setups even if the Apogee is mediocre at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
-pickles
nik-
Ever noticed you have mis-spelled 'Silverprop Fusion' in your sig?
Yours says 'Siverprop Fusion'
Groupthink is a term coined by psychologist Irving Janis in 1972 to describe a process by which a group can make bad or irrational decisions. In a groupthink situation, each member of the group attempts to conform his or her opinions to what they believe to be the consensus of the group. In a general sense this seems to be a very rationalistic way to approach the situation. However this results in a situation in which the group ultimately agrees upon an action which each member might individually consider to be unwise (the risky shift).Quote:
Originally Posted by orkan
Wonder if this happened to them...
Someone wondered if rotating the top part 90* would help it do better, since resistance is higher.
I am willing to try this to benefit everyone, but I want to get it right the first time since I don't want to have to change it back.
Higher resistance usually means the water 'capturing' more heat, right? Also I ONLY have a CPU block, so decreased flow does not matter too much to me, right? I'll be going res-pump-rad-cpu-res... Someone please advise me as to whether this is worth a try.
No but thanks, and fixed :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lv_dicedealer
I'd certainly be interested in those results. No idea if it's worth trying or not though.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewZorn
-pickles
well i mean we know how it works so it just comes down to thermal properties or something... if there is more resistance, does that mean more absorbtion of heat? if so, i dont think the slowdown of the water will matter much in my system, i only have CPU block and a hydor l30 pump which i understand is pretty good
I switched the base-plate around.
The flow was reduced by about 1/4. No noticeable reduction in temps.
Keep in mind these temps are as being reported by Everest. I don't have a good temp sensor.
do you like it? even if it isnt as good as the storm, is it the best thing for <=$50?
After re-mounting and switching the orientation of the base-plate 4 times:
1) Temps are higher with the base-plate switched. On the order of 1-2c
2) Flow is reduced significantly. At least 1/3rd of the flow rate.
Since this is not an impingement block, it relies on flowrate. With the baseplate switched around, the lower flow gives higher temps.
The block gives some good cooling... no doubt there. But I'm still stuck on the poor manufacturing quality I've seen so far.
This week, my Storm, and MP-05 blocks should be here. Then I'll have something more to compare it to.
For a multi-block system, I really like the flowrate that this thing allows... further testing will tell more.
i was thinking about the MP05 Pro as well. neglecting build quality, which do you think performs better?
I can't find any info on the testbed used. With just an 3200+ at default speeds and no other components in the loop, the differences would be pretty small. If it was a heavily overclocked X2 it could be a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
My money is on the MP-05.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewZorn
i feel sick sitting here trying to decide. i might just leave my order for the apogee unmodified. i just dont want it to BREAK.
The more components you have in a system, the less impact each individual block has on the flowrate. There's some math behind it that I don't know, I just recall someone posting about it in a storm vs TDX thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by orkan
is it just me or is the apogee like exactly the same thing as the MCW55 except with built in elbow joints
Andrew, I have hte MP-05 (the highest end model) and it is a great block. Its a real flow killer (a little worse than swiftech storm) but it performs like a champ and is also an excelent block if you choose to remove your IHS.
And you dont have to worry about the build quality on the MP-05. Its exceptional.
BUT the swiftech storm will still beat it in performance by a small amount.
I know information is limited but what about the Apogee?
And is there much difference between the low end and high end MP-05?
Basically I already have an order placed for the Apogee and I'm wondering whether to switch it out for the MP05.
The build quality and questionable performance combined with Swiftech trying to be cheap on me has me doubting my decision.
I ordered it from Jab-Tech which is frustrating since you have to email them to cancel an order. I don't want it to ship AND order another one, hence why I'm trying to decide fast.
So... any real difference between the Pro and SP, and is the Pro most likely better than the Apogee?
EDIT another thing that the Apogee said was it was better for dual-core systems because the pin array is wide or something. I have dual core, so what now?