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I see, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Actually I was wrong, so your reasoning (and hate, for that matter) is invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
And this is on topic. It's discussing the points and advantages of the G70 architecture. Why will this 512MB GTX be a beast? Because the G70 has a powerful architecture, and higher clockspeeds only amplify this.
I can tell very well if something is less-precise or not. Wetter it is because of replament or just because they are processed in a different order I don't know and I don't care actually but my eyes don't lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
I have two systems here that I put side by side once and ran some games with them, one using a 9800 pro and one using an 6800GT (NU @ GT actually, but this doesn't affect IQ) and it was clear with whatever driver I used the 9800 pro just looked better. I switched screens to see if the 6800GT looked better on another screen but that wasn't the case.
Before the Asus 6800NU I had an XFX 6800LE and I RMA'd it because it was broken, I had strange glitched. When I got the new card I still had the same problem and it seems that the XFX wasn't broken after all but what I say was just bad IQ. I kept it because it was my third card already (first XFX 6800LE was really broken) and at the moment I was happy that it unlocked to 16*1.6.
You're right, we just need to keep it friendly to prevent flames.Quote:
And this is on topic. It's discussing the points and advantages of the G70 architecture. Why will this 512MB GTX be a beast? Because the G70 has a powerful architecture, and higher clockspeeds only amplify this.
I wonder why it is I've never seen any major differences in IQ before in articles published by, say, HardOCP.
Do you have any specific examples? Games that you saw the most difference in? Maybe even particular scenes or places within those games that really showed a difference?
You know as well as I do that actual accounts go further than just generalizations.
XBit labs did a quality comparison of ATi and NVidia, zoomed in at up to 10x. There was NO visible difference in any game but painkiller, and in painkiller neither one rendered a "worse" image than the other, they just weren't identical.
They went thru about 5 or 6 different games.
Also, alexio, NVidia wasn't using lower precision shaders with the NV40, infact, for the NV40 it wasn't capable of going below 32bit FPP. Low and high were both set to the same point on that card!
THey need review material so they will never say a card is bad when there are no cries from the gaming masses about bad IQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
Any game that were you can see very far ahead of you and where the lines get thinner the farther to the horizon gives problems. These lines are unsharp and look like they are moving. Disaparing for a second and then comming back again.Quote:
Do you have any specific examples? Games that you saw the most difference in? Maybe even particular scenes or places within those games that really showed a difference?
In Half-Life two you can see glitches all the time. Textures look really weird. It's hard to discribe and there isn't really a scene in specific when this happens, it just happens all the time.
The biggest problems that I have is that lines are not sharp and tend to flikker. YOu can see this in many games and it irritates. Also fps and mouse lag are a problem. Avarage framerates are nice but fps consistancy isn't there.
I'm the kind of person that get's sick from gaming just like you can get sick in a car. With the 9800 pro I don't have this problem with the 6800NU I DO have this problem at a setting comparible with the settings used on the 9800 pro. V-Sync helps somewhat against this but still I get sick from the flikkering of the lines, and stutters still occur.
Chipset drivers and vga drivers, everything is installed as it should be, bechmark scores are good (3Dmark looks much worse at the 6800 by the way). I played with LOD-bias and this helps somewhat. Setting it to -3 helps because it blurs the screen (and thus the flikkering lines).
So you can see that it's more of a feeling than anything specific.
lol, so that's why the low precision trick for FarCry and HL2 doesn't work on GF6 cards, only FX cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
EDIT: So Alexio, you could almost say that the reason no websites have really recorded a difference in IQ between screenshot comparisons, is because most of the IQ problems you experience are in motion, rather than the still images themselves produced, right?
Yes, that is correct.
IIRC, there were a couple of avis to demonstrate the flicker, however.
Yes that's correct, still images are the same as ATI still images. I think the problem might just be the fast that it always forces the high precision. Upping LOD bias will do the same on ATI cards. It looks like a line of pixels is jumping from one line on the screen to the line of pixels next and back. This problem gets worse if the distances are bigger to the point that they are only 1 pixel thick. This is what's causing the problems in racing games where the lines sometimes meet in infinaty and also in games like Serious Sam: The second Encounter where you can see very far in the open fieldsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
Well old games like SS:SE you should be able to run at least 4xAA and high enough resolutions to all but relieve that problem, I would think.
HL2 should be able to run at close to 1600x1200 on a 6800GT, and while that may not fix the issue entirely, it certainly wouldn't worsen it.
Try turning on the LOD Bias clamp alexio?
I didn't know this setting, where can I find it? In the driver or in Rivatuner?Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
I will try this if I get my other system to run again (no video for some reason, it's a motherboard issue it seems). The system I'm typing this from is a Shuttle SFF so I can't just put the card in, I need to change the PSU with a bigger one, etc.
It's a driver setting, in the same area as AA and AF. Turn on advanced options to see it.
whoa awesome...my graphics card feels sad :P
Guys, I'm just going to make one BOLD statement...
This card is *NOT* NVidia's big fish...
so what is? g80?
Ooooh cryptic... either this card will not be much faster, or there will be an even better card to come!
Oh, the card will still be obscenely fast, but...well.... You'll see what I mean.
I'm going to leave it at that for now, You'll see what I mean when the time comes.
nah G80 wil be unified architekture that one wont b around for a while.
then what will Nvidias bigfish b if its not this monster, or do u mean bigfish in: there wil b a other nvidia card thats best bang per buck?
ps. Diltech u cna always PM me the info if u just have to get rid of it
:banana: trust me i can keep a secret, could a dutch guy lie?
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Originally Posted by DilTech
as in months ? or a month
Just watch the news section...
For now I'll leave you with this...
This card is only the answer to the R520, the R580 has MUCH stiffer competition.
TheInq says 90nm G71 is coming soon, but by that time R580 will be out.
Somebody ought to tell ATi to first and foremost focus on their current series of graphic cards before they paper launch the next. Just to let us swallow this catastrophe [or "god-send" depending on what side you are] first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
:rolleyes:
-k0nsl
That's Q1 2006.
X1800XT is supposed to launch Nov 5th, yet there's availability on Nov 3rd.
Are you feeling all right?
whats the last generation? the gtx? but it uses 32bit shaders as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
what are you talking about? :confused: