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Nice bong there Assuiejester.
Currently I am running a bucket bong which is about 15°c better than my Bip3 with loads of fans.
My next project is going to be a bong in a case though. Probably with a mister bar for the nozzle and made out of thick acrylic for good looks.
I posted this exact same idea on the OCAU forums 2 days ago i thought it would do exactly what your saying ie. lower case temps. My thinking was it wouldn't get into the temps condensation would be an issue but if the water did go from the bong through the rad before hitting the blocks the air flow through the radiator would be nice and cool due to the circulating water directly from the bong. I had planned to utilize the bong as an 'active reservoir' so to speak. The plan was to attach the bong cooler via quick release couplers and pop a standard reservoir in its place and/or simply pop in a piece of tube to connect the inlet and outlet hoses if the situation arose where you wanted to gotto a LAN for example, another benefit of keeping the stock radiator in the case... For me this wouldn't be an issue really as I haven't been to a LAN in yeeears and don't plan to in anytime soon...I plan on getting a start on my own cooler in the very near future I shall pop up pics of the project as I progress....Just need to finish a couple of waterblocks off i'm doing for a customer and then i'll get onto it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooter`Tbc
A rad will only heat up your water back up
think of it this way you need to be able to cool a heat load of both the cpu and the rad now as the rad will always want to hold ambient temp and once you go below ambient the rad will be working against you.
I tryed this idea with a phase change and a water loop and got the results that you seek but it donest work with a bong cooler sadly it just cannot drop the temp lower than freezing which is needed to do that idea well, Another thing reason i stopped bong water cooling is its very bad for your health lungs. Yes you get great temps but at a high price,
there was an idea years ago to place a rad inside you bong right at the water level and run it of a seprate loop so the water is cooling down the rad which wants to hold the ambient temp in the bong which if the bong design is good should be a much lower than ambient than outside the bong cooler
Acid, I am trying to heat the water back up by a few degrees by placing a radiator in the line in front of the CPU block. That's the whole point. I have no idea how much temp change I will get by "pre-running" a rad like this, but I will have the rad anyway. I have been thinking about this for a few months now as the way to keep the dang thing from going sub ambiant, which I was not ready for. I am planning to try this in the summer, which in my part of California means the outside temp will be well over 100 degrees, and inside will be high 80's low 90's. I plan to use a standard Swifty Apex 220 kit for the winter, and experiment all summer. If it's say 85 in the house, and I can get the ambiant case temp down to 80, then I can keep the CPU around 82 with no problems. Far cooler than I can do with air or standard water in a house thats 85. I may also look at a closed loop inside the bong, but I will need another rad for that. With the pump I have I may try running the lines outside to the bong to try that, but I don't see that being any cooler.
As for my health, I grew up in a house that used a water cooler to beat the heat, and it hasn't hurt me (or my 12 brothers and sisters) yet. I am not adding anything to the water, and I only plan to run it for a few months of trials. I also plan to clean everything out every 30 days.
Most house got a vent in the wall somewhere. Cant u just connect a pvc pipe to it and exhaust the moist air straigth out?
The room we are using for the computer room has 2 doors to the outside, 2 windows, a pet door and another door connecting to the house, as well as the HVAC duct. I never noticed any extra moisture in the air while running the system. That's why I am not worried about it, it's not really an issue. The only place it became an issue was in the computer case where I had condensation.
how high does the bong have to be for it to cool a p4 3.0 properly ?
Thats how it should be if you want to smoke stuff with it:)
Um, Hopper, I must be missing something, cuz that design doesn't make any sence to me. Someone care to explain how this will work to me? What am I missing?
The only thing he is missing is a pump to get some water on top of his bong.
In fact what you are doing Hopper is heating up the cool water. If you for example design a decent bong and get ambient temp or even lower, the radiator in your loop is just useless, and even worse: it's restricting the flow.
A good bong is just as easy as it could be. Hight is important, but I guess the showerhead is as even important.
In my shower at home I can adjust the thickness of the water particles. When the highest filtering is set, the water looks almost like fog. The water at the hight of my head (water fell about 10cm then) feels warm (atleast +45°C), but if I get out of the way and stick my hand out to catch water near the bottom of my shower it feels pretty cold. If I switch the thinkness of the water particle to a bigger size, the water seem not be so cold. Though it could be my mind fooling me.
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I'm sorry Hopper. Maybe I missed something here.but isn't the whole point of a bong. That it can produce sub ambient temps by itself? Wouldn't a rad just warm it up? Also if you have "something cold" in the loop why would it need a rad or a bong? (Maybe I missed it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by hopper
Where is the processor? Just wondering. The bong design is interesting though. But it might not work very well. (Won't)
It is refreshing to see poeple thinkin' about new stuff.:)
Yeah, I was wondering about that "something cold" myself. Bubbling water seems like it would take a lot of air preasure, and I don't know if the fans on the market are designed to build and maintain back preasure like that. I don't know that you can get the fans out to pull bubbles out of water even.
This seems like one hell of a way to warm water, but don't see it cooling water very well. But what do I know, build it and let us know.
guys, i think it might be a joke. guess not many smokers here
Guess again;)
Would be pretty hard to smoke with that bong though, having a fan blow it all into your mouth :D
It could be a very young person too. (Lets try not to discourage anyone)
Yeah it would take compressed air. In this case the fans are useless. And the top bubbler does nothing as far as cooling a cpu. Evaporation is how a bong works.(This 1 wouldn't werk.Unless there is alot of compressed air And then not well)
But new ideas have merit. Keep at it Hopper you'll come up with something!!
What if you "catched" the evaporated water, let it go through a radiator and throw it back into the bong? Couldn't you make a bong with no waterloss that always stays at ambient that way?
then the whole point with the bong is lost, better of using that rad to cool the cpu directly. A bong is an alternative to rad!
LOL OK, so we went from bongs to bubblers to stills? I think it would be easier, cheaper, and more efficient to just use a standard closed loop radiator system than to try to evap, then collect, cool, condense and reuse the water like that. We just went from having a fairly large, obtrusive cooling system (a bong) to having one that uses a ton of space by adding a condenser to it. Not to mentioon looks like you are making moonshine in your room. Hell, Madusa used less space than what you are suggesting.The reason a bong works so well is it's shear simplicity. I realise I am complicating my loop a bit by adding a radiator before my CPU block, but that's not to cool the water any more, that's to heat the water up a bit. It's the same as adding a hard drive or northbridge block to the loop in front of the CPU. Only I don't care if the radiotor gets condensation on it, and condensation will kill the CPU, HDD, or NB chip, and none of those will have any effect on the abiant case temp.
I see no way that a bubble system will cool water. A friend of mine has one of those Rainbow water filter vaccume things (she paid way WAY too much for) and the air that comes out of it isn't cooler than ambiant, it's warmer. That could have alot to do with the heat dump of the air pump, but I don't see how an air bubble traveling through water has the time needed to impart ANY real heat transfer.
If this was a joke, sorry, I obviously didn't get it. :slap: But usualy jokes around here like this only go for a few days, then the joker lets us know... that way we don't have "joke info" out there passing as real info. Hint, hint.
Yulp sub-ambient cooling needs approit precautions..
I just hope we didn't discourage someone.
Yeah, sub ambiant was a great way to get to rebuild my comp... that had performed great before. A standard size bong would have been better, than the monster I built. I plan to try again with a "normal" bong and see where that gets me. I will have to move my printer though... and maybe a spa pump is a bit over kill.
As for discouraging someone, I did say build it and let us know. Plan for success, prepair for failure. It may work, but I don't see how. I would suggest hooking it to a TEC and using it to cool the hot side of that for a few days as a test. That way you get a good idea of what it can do and don't ruin a good comp in the proccess.
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RIght, the whole bong idea cought my attention once again. I read into this stuff a few years ago, but never managed to get a watercooling until a few months ago. Nice to see that there are still people thinking about this kind of cooling.
I think I will try it out sometime next year aswell when I have the time to. The materials you need are really cheap if you already have a watercooling setup, so this should be fun.
The only downside of this whole thing seems to be the increase of room humidity (and the lack of being able to transport the PC it is connected to, which doesnt matter in my case).
Unfortunately NOL's guide is down, so I dont know much about bong cooling, except the stuff I remember from a few years ago.
Am I seeing this right, that the only "opening" to the outside is the fan intake? Or does the top of the bong has to be open aswell?
wow.... i feel dumb
my design was a joke design for a "smoking bong" attached to a w/c rig.....
.... i thought this whole thread was a spoof the first time i read it... then i read through it again and i see how it works ....you guys are xtream
sry bout that
edit lol i just never thought there was more than 1 kind,,,or should i say use for a bong