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10-31-2005, 03:42 AM
drunkenmaster

so far i've found if i get a game locking up after a while, just stopping and either dropping to desktop with screwed colours or crashing on one image and needing reseting that its not enough voltage being used. if theres either type of artifacts your mem/gpu is probo pushed too far, poss not enough volts or too many or too hot. but plan crashing without artifacts i go back push voltage up a little more and clocks get stable. you should try at 1.3v and see if 625/650 becomes stable without lockups.
10-31-2005, 03:48 AM
wwwww

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Originally Posted by gunit

Still amazing how the XL needs LESS voltage to reach XT levels.

smaller transistors
10-31-2005, 04:11 AM
Damien

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Originally Posted by OV3RCLOCK3R

MACRO!!!!

Every Camera has one:)

Took some quick pics. Hope this helps:)

hrm...and how do I use macro? :(

edit : googled and see it's the flower. My camera's macro sucks though, haha.
10-31-2005, 04:21 AM
mR Yellow

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Originally Posted by DamienKC

hrm...and how do I use macro? :(

U have to enable the macro switch
10-31-2005, 04:23 AM
Damien

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Originally Posted by mR Yellow

U have to enable the macro switch

yeah I found it, but the macro on my camera barely makes any diff at all. Then again, it was $100 at walmart a year ago :P
10-31-2005, 04:24 AM
sky

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Originally Posted by ilgreco1974

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/229/2

:)

thanks for the link mate. now i need someone to measure the height
between the seemingly recessed copperbit for the core and the parts
for the memory, plus the height of those screw-threw (whatever the
f. they are called) thingies... seems one could do a fairly flat bottomed
watercooler for those things. hm gotta check on my buddy and his
cnc :D
10-31-2005, 04:46 AM
Mavke

And did anyone already made a backup of their Radeon X1800 XL BIOS? Cause I am trying to get some to see and update RaBiT (Radeon BIOS Tuner Software)...
10-31-2005, 08:18 AM
Astennu

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Originally Posted by drunkenmaster

so far i've found if i get a game locking up after a while, just stopping and either dropping to desktop with screwed colours or crashing on one image and needing reseting that its not enough voltage being used. if theres either type of artifacts your mem/gpu is probo pushed too far, poss not enough volts or too many or too hot. but plan crashing without artifacts i go back push voltage up a little more and clocks get stable. you should try at 1.3v and see if 625/650 becomes stable without lockups.

If i raise my volts to 1.3 i almost get a instant lockup :D No 1.3 for me :nono:. I hope a new bios will fix it.

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Originally Posted by Mavke

And did anyone already made a backup of their Radeon X1800 XL BIOS? Cause I am trying to get some to see and update RaBiT (Radeon BIOS Tuner Software)...

Mail me @ Astennu91@hotmail.com i will help u with that bios program. Would be nice if i could flash a XT bios later on.
10-31-2005, 09:17 AM
HitMaker

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Originally Posted by Astennu

If i raise my volts to 1.3 i almost get a instant lockup :D No 1.3 for me :nono:. I hope a new bios will fix it.

Mail me @ Astennu91@hotmail.com i will help u with that bios program. Would be nice if i could flash a XT bios later on.

What power supply do you have?
10-31-2005, 09:47 AM
gunit

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Originally Posted by dnottis

wire tie trick :)

use them to secure the fan.

From this pic it's clear that is a heatsink with fins.. I think the GTX trick will work just fine.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=2154

i still havent even been able to get the cove off. :slapass:
10-31-2005, 05:28 PM
gunit

whaaaaa! I Think I killed my computer. I was testing my 80mm fan with the fan controler when my hand hit a screw. The screw fell onto the motherboard near the bottom where some small chips are right by the last PCI slot. Then, lights on my motherboard, FAN LED's, and indicator lights on case began to flicker and computer turned off. I tried turing it back on, but lights just flickered and computer turned off. I then unplugged the computer, pressed the power switch to clear any electricity left. I plugged it back in and cleared the CMOS. Then I tried turning it on regulary and luckily everything did turn on. But, no signal was being sent to the monitor. And the red RAM LED on the motherboard was on. I tried switching memory slots, putting in a spare stick I had, same thing, red LED and no signal to monitor. I should mention the video card was NOT in the computer when the screw fell into motherboard so I know my x1800 xl is ok. I do not hear a POST beep. Could the CPU been fried? The mems are fine since the same thing happens with a spare stick

btw, i got cover off. it IS NOT possible to stick screws into the x1800 heatsink cause there are no fins. The top of the heatsink is solid. The cooling is a type of exhaust system. Air blows through the heatsink and out the back end of the card.
10-31-2005, 05:41 PM
cantankerous

man im sorry to hear about your system. I have no clue what it could be except maybe you shorted a trace that is no longer working as should. The mobo may be acting as it is as a safety thing.

Glad to hear your X1800 is still ok and thanks for the info on the fan not attaching to the heatsink. Makes me feel more confortable about my Zalman Fatality purchase today. Please keep us posted on the results of your system.
10-31-2005, 06:05 PM
gunit

its strange cause everything else works, fans, hard drive, lights etc. Its as if the vga cable is not connected even though it is. and what would make the RAM status LED turn on red?
10-31-2005, 07:05 PM
dnottis

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Originally Posted by gunit

its strange cause everything else works, fans, hard drive, lights etc. Its as if the vga cable is not connected even though it is. and what would make the RAM status LED turn on red?

Its the motherboard. Thats why there are no beeps, but you will get power through it to the fans, etc.

Sorry to hear that - as for the fan, if you cannot screw it on you can use wire ties to secure it to the cooler. A bunch of people in the GTX thread did that not wanting to scratch up the stock heatsink...
10-31-2005, 07:12 PM
gunit

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Originally Posted by dnottis

Its the motherboard. Thats why there are no beeps, but you will get power through it to the fans, etc.

Sorry to hear that - as for the fan, if you cannot screw it on you can use wire ties to secure it to the cooler. A bunch of people in the GTX thread did that not wanting to scratch up the stock heatsink...

guess so. ill rma it and get something else.

Is it a good idea to put the fan on the flat heatsink? There is no place for the air to go but up. Imagine putting a case fan on a flat desk, the air will just hit the desk and travel back up through the fan. Know what I mean?
10-31-2005, 11:12 PM
Ubermann

I use glue gun when i cant screw things.
It holds good and comes off easy without leaving a trace.
11-01-2005, 05:54 AM
Astennu

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Originally Posted by HitMaker

What power supply do you have?

I got A coolermaster Real Power 450 Watt. I checked the Voltages on the X1800 XL and they where stable. The only ting i foud was that if u set 1.1 v u get like 1.07 So it undervolts like 0.2-0.3. But is was stable in 3D. I find it verry odd that it locks up.
11-01-2005, 07:11 AM
Nunyabiz

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Originally Posted by Astennu

I got A coolermaster Real Power 450 Watt. I checked the Voltages on the X1800 XL and they where stable. The only ting i foud was that if u set 1.1 v u get like 1.07 So it undervolts like 0.2-0.3. But is was stable in 3D. I find it verry odd that it locks up.

Did you happed to look at the memory voltage? I am wonding if it is also undervolted, and if the overclock tool memory voltage adjust works?
11-01-2005, 07:33 AM
Astennu

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Originally Posted by Nunyabiz

Did you happed to look at the memory voltage? I am wonding if it is also undervolted, and if the overclock tool memory voltage adjust works?

Jep it ondervolted for the ram 1.9 was like 1.86. And it did go up of u raise volts. It u whant real 2.0v on the mem i sould set 2.05 iw would give like 2.01 or 2.02.
11-01-2005, 07:36 AM
Astennu

Could someone send me a bios dumb from his card with ATi Tool 3.04.

A bios from i card that can do 1.25 or higher volts on the mem without locking up. I'm stuck to 1.2 on my sapphire. I got the bios here if u whant it i just let me know then i'll upload it.
11-01-2005, 10:21 AM
Pedro Rocha

I just mount 1 Gecube X1800XL for testing, where is what I got with stock cooling :

http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/X18...ark05_9706.jpg

Not bad at all :) , with the Zalman I should see some improvements but it is just a test card before my X1800XT cards arrive ..
11-01-2005, 10:30 AM
Astennu

Wow :| i ran my 3dmark @ 650-800 @ 2.6 ghz and i had 9070 :| real sick score with that cpu :D

Could you plz dump ur bios ? en mail it to me ? maybe then i can go past 1.2v.

ATi Flash can dump bios with the ATiflash -s 0 namebios.bin command.

U can download it @ techpowerup.com. I realy need to get more then 1.2v. I hope u whant to help me.

My adress = astennu91@hotmail.com

Thanks in advance
11-01-2005, 11:27 AM
Ubermann

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Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha

I just mount 1 Gecube X1800XL for testing, where is what I got with stock cooling :

Not bad at all :) , with the Zalman I should see some improvements but it is just a test card before my X1800XT cards arrive ..

Really nice score, do you use the clocks that are in the picture ?
11-01-2005, 12:39 PM
Pedro Rocha

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Originally Posted by Ubermann

Really nice score, do you use the clocks that are in the picture ?

Yep 620 / 700, the card get really hot with stock cooler, I'm sure will improve even with the Zalman :)
11-01-2005, 01:07 PM
cantankerous

Well I just took the plunge. Ordered myself a Retail BBATI X1800XL with the Zalman FS-V7 Fatality cooler. I really, really hope I can meet what you guys are doing. 625/700 with 1.225/1.90. If not im going to be very sad as this card after shipping and taxes was quite expensive out here in Canada.

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