DDR400 to DDR600 2-2-2-5 for good prices !!!

sorry, but when we've seen, 2 sticks of 256mb in three years hit 300mhz completely unstable you just step in and say there could be 2 chips on each single stick that do that. m8, dream land, complete and utter dreamland. i could very well say, all tccd is far better than it is 7 out of 8 chips will hit ddr800, theres just one bad chip on every pcb, what a shame that is hey. it would be just as ludicrous.

companies don't start making a new product by just picking a speed and testing memory for it and chucking everything that doesn't make it into lower end products. its called research, testing, product design. before releaseing xp4000 redline mushkin most likely asked for a batch of bh-5 chips, possibly being able to obtain certain batch numbers or maybe getting a whole waifer and just automatically deciding only the central 1/3 will be tested, the rest will just be thrown into cheap ddr400. who knows. anyway they'll get the chips and test them for lots of different speeds and find a speed/voltage/volume of chips that can do a speed that is marketable at a decent price. if the chips could do faster even in very small quantities they have no reason not to release it. why don't they, cos as is completely obvious to every no wishful thinker around its very clear that with a decent voltage most wil do 240 , a decent amount will do 250, some 260 and so on, if there was 5% that passed at ddr540 they would market some very expensive sticks. they can't, they don't there isn't--never gonna happen.

Im up for some ddr600 :)

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Originally Posted by drunkenmaster

sorry, but when we've seen, 2 sticks of 256mb in three years hit 300mhz completely unstable you just step in and say there could be 2 chips on each single stick that do that. m8, dream land, complete and utter dreamland. i could very well say, all tccd is far better than it is 7 out of 8 chips will hit ddr800, theres just one bad chip on every pcb, what a shame that is hey. it would be just as ludicrous.

companies don't start making a new product by just picking a speed and testing memory for it and chucking everything that doesn't make it into lower end products. its called research, testing, product design. before releaseing xp4000 redline mushkin most likely asked for a batch of bh-5 chips, possibly being able to obtain certain batch numbers or maybe getting a whole waifer and just automatically deciding only the central 1/3 will be tested, the rest will just be thrown into cheap ddr400. who knows. anyway they'll get the chips and test them for lots of different speeds and find a speed/voltage/volume of chips that can do a speed that is marketable at a decent price. if the chips could do faster even in very small quantities they have no reason not to release it. why don't they, cos as is completely obvious to every no wishful thinker around its very clear that with a decent voltage most wil do 240 , a decent amount will do 250, some 260 and so on, if there was 5% that passed at ddr540 they would market some very expensive sticks. they can't, they don't there isn't--never gonna happen.

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lots of negatives in there - but the

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part is your sticking point for me - no such thing in this indusrty. Over DDR600 for DDR was a never at one point ;)

Highly unlikely that even 1% would manage it - but only the Tech's at Infinion would know if they can tweak the proccess at all, maybe they will if demand is enough. :shocked:

I think this is most definatly possible, I don't know if it's possible by alexio, and maybe I am being optimistic, but you can get probably at least 80% of all 512mb bh5 sticks to 250mhz with 3.5v or less if you know what ur doing probably. Now out of 16 random chips thats pretty good. Just imagine if you take the best chip on any one stick, I'm sure it's capable of close to 280mhz at least. This is just a pure guess, I have nothing to actually back this up of course, but I think if you look at it you'd agree. You probably will have 2 or 3 even capable of that or more. I think ddr560 is very possible, and I'm sure that you could get at least a few 300mhz benchable chips out of 1000. I don't know if they are capable at all of ddr600 being stable because we have not seen that done, but I think it's possible, and I have no doubt that ddr560 can at least be done.

First I don't think it's at all impossible to get to DDR600 if EACH chip is individually tested and speed binned. Fact is I agree, very expensive, but also it can be done. If even 10% of the individual chips can hit 600, it's highly UNLIKLY to get even 8 on a stick let alone 16. And if in fact only 3% of the chips can do 600 the odds aginst radomly getting 16 X 2 chips to make a set of DDR600 without individual testing are millions to one.

Man if you can develop and market DDR570-580, or higher, with 512 X 2 sets I'll buy from you, even at higher prices than those already mentioned. And of course DDR600 would be of great interest! :D

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Originally Posted by Jericho

lots of negatives in there - but the part is your sticking point for me - no such thing in this indusrty. Over DDR600 for DDR was a never at one point ;)

Highly unlikely that even 1% would manage it - but only the Tech's at Infinion would know if they can tweak the proccess at all, maybe they will if demand is enough. :shocked:

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sorry m8 but thats completely wrong, with pc2100 people were clocking to 200mhz, as soon as bh-5 was available people were hitting 250mhz , years ago people were at almost exactly the same speeds with low latency's as we are now. there was pc4000 hynix type chips out as the next thing after bh-5 that did high fsb's with higher latency's. everyone knew you could get higher latency's and higher fsb's, tccd is not even close to being the first chips to hit 300Mhz. people seem to think tccd and new bh-5 is great. memory has barely changed in 3 years. a-data, corsair hynix was doing 300mhz + absolutely ages ago, pre ath 64's release.

before canterwood and 200Mhz stock intel cpu's came out i was using 4:5 and higher dividers to get memory way beyond 200Mhz on the sis dual channel chipset, can't think what chipset it was called now. ages ago.

really, the only thing i find unrealistic about this is not the ability of the chips, but rather the testing of hundreds of thousands of individual chips with only one person. how would you do this? you can't boot into windows and test a single chip with a capacity of about 32/64mb on a modern game without it taking an EXTREMELY long time.

SOOO, let me help you out here, bud. all you need to do is take out a loan, buy a nuke on the black market, bomb the living daylights out of the United Arab Emirates, estabilsh yourself as the new government, and then with the wads of cash you get you can build your own little company to individually test the chips while you sit on the beach and sip lemonade. simple as that.

sorry. i couldn't resist :brick: :D

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really, the only thing i find unrealistic about this is not the ability of the chips, but rather the testing of hundreds of thousands of individual chips with only one person. how would you do this? you can't boot into windows and test a single chip with a capacity of about 32/64mb on a modern game without it taking an EXTREMELY long time.

SOOO, let me help you out here, bud. all you need to do is take out a loan, buy a nuke on the black market, bomb the living daylights out of the United Arab Emirates, estabilsh yourself as the new government, and then with the wads of cash you get you can build your own little company to individually test the chips while you sit on the beach and sip lemonade. simple as that.

sorry. i couldn't resist :brick: :D

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What the hell are you talking about? You can machine-bin chips. They do it in all the memory companies.

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What the hell are you talking about? You can machine-bin chips. They do it in all the memory companies.

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i know that. but Alexio is not a memory company nor does he own one (yet... ;)).

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Originally Posted by drunkenmaster

sorry m8 but thats completely wrong, with pc2100 people were clocking to 200mhz, as soon as bh-5 was available people were hitting 250mhz , years ago people were at almost exactly the same speeds with low latency's as we are now. there was pc4000 hynix type chips out as the next thing after bh-5 that did high fsb's with higher latency's. everyone knew you could get higher latency's and higher fsb's, tccd is not even close to being the first chips to hit 300Mhz. people seem to think tccd and new bh-5 is great. memory has barely changed in 3 years. a-data, corsair hynix was doing 300mhz + absolutely ages ago, pre ath 64's release.

before canterwood and 200Mhz stock intel cpu's came out i was using 4:5 and higher dividers to get memory way beyond 200Mhz on the sis dual channel chipset, can't think what chipset it was called now. ages ago.

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for a start, Hynix D43 did'nt hit 300mhz as consistently with as low timings as TCCD, also we talking OVER DDR600.
Secondly, the Micron(Crucial) 2100 that hit 200mhz was also lacking in timings, and was never stressed in DC.
Its fairly conistantly possible to hit over 270mhz with cas1.5,2,2,5(7) @ 1T with old school BH5/6 256 sticks if we throw the right volts at them with current mem controllers. The key here is BH5 could never have been as good circa '99 as the chipsets/cpu's could'nt take it - even if the memory could.
So I'm not wrong, your just picking :)

rofl i feel pitty for the people who are thinking they will get some ddr600 at 2-2-2-5 from bh-5, i have only seen that possible when it was cooled with ln2.

alexio i blame you for posting this thread before you had done any research into if inferion can supply you the chips and if those speeds are consistently achievable, just simply coming up with the idea and then posting it :rolleyes:

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for a start, Hynix D43 did'nt hit 300mhz as consistently with as low timings as TCCD, also we talking OVER DDR600.

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actually, hynix was hitting ddr600 on regular basis on ram such as corsair and adata, as drunkenmaster stated. and it was hynix d5 and hynix b, d43 doesn't clock as high as they do.

consistently? did tccd hit ddr600 right after it was introduced? no, not even close. only after 'discovery' of brainpower pcb was tccd able to reach such high clocks. even now, with bp pcb, tccd doesn't hit ddr600 that consistent. it hits it on selected products, just as hynix did/does.

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actually, hynix was hitting ddr600 on regular basis on ram such as corsair and adata, as drunkenmaster stated. and it was hynix d5 and hynix b, d43 doesn't clock as high as they do.

consistently? did tccd hit ddr600 right after it was introduced? no, not even close. only after 'discovery' of brainpower pcb was tccd able to reach such high clocks. even now, with bp pcb, tccd doesn't hit ddr600 that consistent. it hits it on selected products, just as hynix did/does.

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Partial quotation and picking all about TCCD, when my original point was about the term 'never'.

could you rephrase that, please? not sure if i got it right... :eh:

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rofl i feel pitty for the people who are thinking they will get some ddr600 at 2-2-2-5 from bh-5, i have only seen that possible when it was cooled with ln2.

alexio i blame you for posting this thread before you had done any research into if inferion can supply you the chips and if those speeds are consistently achievable, just simply coming up with the idea and then posting it :rolleyes:

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Can you explain to me what's wrong with ideas? Isn't a forum partly about sharing ideas?

1.) I guaranteed nothing, this was just to check for interest in the first place. No guarantee about speed, volts, warrenty, quantities or anything else. As I said before I don't know the exact yields of the chips. All I know and said was that I expect that the yields of the chips will be high enough for atleast a decent amount of DDR560. I also know and said that DDR600 is gonna be hard.

2.) I want to do this for the xs community, I'll enjoy testing but don't need/want to make much profit out of this. I just want some cool memory for myself and a little money for my work, that's all.

3.) From now on I'd like people to read all the stuff I posted in this thread before making any remarks and suggestions. I'm really getting sick of the "you're dreaming" stuff and people asking questions that have been asked before.

If your not interested enough in this subject to read the hole thread just go away and don't post in here please.

Threre's no news untill tomorrow, I think Duonger of Mushkin Tech is enjoying his weekend ;)

best regards,

alexio

Good luck, Alexio.
I'd love to see you prove the naysayers wrong with your new process.
I'm not sure if it will work out for you, but this is what innovation is and this is how great ideas start.

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i know that. but Alexio is not a memory company nor does he own one (yet... ;)).

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You can buy one for fairly cheap... I mean the socket and the tester itself. However, you need a robotic arm or something to keep doing it for you, or otherwise a chinese worker to insert chips, record max. speed on a piece of paper and throw them in the correct bin. Or, he could do it himself, either which.

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rofl i feel pitty for the people who are thinking they will get some ddr600 at 2-2-2-5 from bh-5, i have only seen that possible when it was cooled with ln2.

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You're lying. Cooling capacitors to extreme temps doesn't increase their discharge performance. Or charge. And the few transistors that you can find in DRAM chips are HARDLY the bottleneck.

DDR 600 @ 2-2-2-5?? lol i think that is a bit almost impossible...

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DDR 600 @ 2-2-2-5?? lol i think that is a bit almost impossible...

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I think you should check your english :P

a bit .. .almost ... impossible lol, it can be Impossible or Not, or a Bit but not almost duh :P.

And I dont think its "impossible" coz Infineon Rulz and I hope that this proyect develops as expected, it is totally possible.

Wll maybe he might manage DDR600 @ 2,3,2,7 or something - surely thats still of interest ?

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rofl i feel pitty for the people who are thinking they will get some ddr600 at 2-2-2-5 from bh-5, i have only seen that possible when it was cooled with ln2.

alexio i blame you for posting this thread before you had done any research into if inferion can supply you the chips and if those speeds are consistently achievable, just simply coming up with the idea and then posting it :rolleyes:

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1.) your blaming him for not doing research, when you state ln2 cooled memory does ddr600?

LOL thats funny. :fact:

2.) alexio posting this thread has gotten him help from duonger. How has that not helped? :rolleyes: it has also provided him some insight as to how much interest this could gain. :stick:

I agree with alexio-- people posting just to say "impossible. your dumb" should be left out, as it isnt helping anything.

I beleive that this is extremely impractical for a different reason. I think you'll find that most chips will do 200MHz, but only about 1 in 200 will do 300 ;)

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I beleive that this is extremely impractical for a different reason. I think you'll find that most chips will do 200MHz, but only about 1 in 200 will do 300 ;)

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out of 100,000 chips, thats 500. ;) which is 31 512mb sticks. :)

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Quantities are huge, just think about atleast 100k chips.

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not that many. I'm sure there will be more than 15 people who wants a 2x512 kit that's guaranteed ddr600