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06-18-2005, 12:45 PM
fatfreepork

I vote for just Fm approved drivers. With 71.89's i score about 10900 in 3d03 but with the 76.xx which are whql certified i can do about 11500 without even trying. I think that they are lame point boosters and that only Fm approved should count since only those would let you show up in the default search settings on the orb.
06-18-2005, 03:26 PM
Gray Mole

Hey Sider ;) u still ain't broke 80k???

hehe

Yeah, think splitting water vs better water seems a little OTT, and really lumpling all phase wouldn't bother me either, even though I'll lose :rolleyes:

Seems like a temp split would be far better, though temps are subjective a lot of the time, no way to prove 'em, but categories based on temp ranges would be fairer...

40+, 0-40, 0 - (-40), -40 - -whatever...

More divisions would be better but even more awkward...

Just my :2cents:

Good idea maybe, but impossible to regulate I think...

Gray
06-18-2005, 03:30 PM
LilGator

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilWhiteDragon

about the categories:
I think it is somewhat unfair for people with PhCh to compete against LN2 or cascades , so maybe we should have these categories:
Air / Water / PhCh / Unlimited
Also I think that chilled water should fall under PhCH because to chilled water is usually maybe by PhCh techniques and has about the same cooling capacity

That sounds eerily familiar ... :fact:

;)
06-18-2005, 03:48 PM
Wiggy McShades

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troman

we can always do that,at the beginning of the week---> bam thats the drivers that's going to be use dand nothing else!
for sure the best idea...so if somone can report us the best drivers set.. :)

well why not just use the newest unless there are some known bugs with them. i definatly like the fixed driver idea so no one is put at a disadvantage because they dont search around for drivers. another posibility would be to have people test out a few different aproved privers for each brand and see wich ones are most stable so we are all working on known stable drivers so theres no way to say its not fair my drivers wernt stable enough to overclock on i coulda got higher.
06-18-2005, 04:12 PM
=[PULSAR]=

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiggy McShades

well why not just use the newest unless there are some known bugs with them. i definatly like the fixed driver idea so no one is put at a disadvantage because they dont search around for drivers. another posibility would be to have people test out a few different aproved privers for each brand and see wich ones are most stable so we are all working on known stable drivers so theres no way to say its not fair my drivers wernt stable enough to overclock on i coulda got higher.

I think thats the whole point of the competition is to tweak and find the best drivers for your setup and benchmark. I dont think we should limit it to a certain driver, however I do think we should limit to only manufacturers' drivers as in nvidia and ati no omega or anything else. I just spent the whole day with new gear and finding out which ati driver is best for my x600 in 01 dont tell me thats for nothing :p:
06-18-2005, 04:26 PM
Wiggy McShades

Quote:

Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=

I think thats the whole point of the competition is to tweak and find the best drivers for your setup and benchmark. I dont think we should limit it to a certain driver, however I do think we should limit to only manufacturers' drivers as in nvidia and ati no omega or anything else. I just spent the whole day with new gear and finding out which ati driver is best for my x600 in 01 dont tell me thats for nothing :p:

i did the same thing for 03 and 01 before i asked if we could use any driver :doh:
06-18-2005, 05:35 PM
=[PULSAR]=

Hey saaya read this in the registration thread..."(XS Staff and Company Reps cant win anything, they are however welcome to join the competition for fun and to show some impressive results )"

Does this include me and the rest of the news staff? or just owners and mods?
06-18-2005, 06:25 PM
STEvil

I say that drivers should be FM approved to use for 3d01/3d03/3d05.. that way if a couple of us are going for records while doing this competition we wont be cut out of the competition ;)

not that drivers should really matter.. cheats are usually easy to spot and some drivers are known to have optimizations in them they shouldnt have.
06-19-2005, 01:10 AM
Jasonhk

What about adding a suicide mhz to the score? mmm ?
06-19-2005, 06:32 AM
boshuter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasonhk

What about adding a suicide mhz to the score? mmm ?

I don't see how that would work if they are going to run Intel and AMD together in the same class. Most of the AMD's can't match the stock mhz of some of the Intels even on phasech. I'm all for it though :D since we won't get PCmark04 which Intel is good at. Take a look at the entries, overwhelmingly AMD systems; I don't think you will see many benches make it that favor Intel. ;)
06-19-2005, 01:35 PM
EvilWhiteDragon

Quote:

Originally Posted by boshuter

I don't see how that would work if they are going to run Intel and AMD together in the same class. Most of the AMD's can't match the stock mhz of some of the Intels even on phasech. I'm all for it though :D since we won't get PCmark04 which Intel is good at. Take a look at the entries, overwhelmingly AMD systems; I don't think you will see many benches make it that favor Intel. ;)

well An Athlon X2 will beat intel in PCmark I think, so ..
And about the MHz shots , if we want to do that we'll have to find aa way to make it fair, maybe by doing something like this for AMD:
your MHz/4000*100= Score
and for intel:
your MHz/6500*100= score
or something like it
06-19-2005, 02:01 PM
STEvil

divide cpu mhz by GPU mhz just for fun maybe, but not overall score.
06-19-2005, 05:18 PM
LilGator

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

divide cpu mhz by GPU mhz just for fun maybe, but not overall score.

So you want a really high CPU clock, and a really low GPU clock ? :confused:
06-19-2005, 07:08 PM
WeStSiDePLaYa

what about the KNOWN LOD tweaks and everything like that? after the last competition alot of people will know how to utilize them and bias this competition.
06-20-2005, 01:51 AM
STEvil

yes.

However P4's have an advantage if CPU mhz are divided by GPU mhz.. thats what would make this tricky and not really measureable...
06-20-2005, 05:28 AM
Jamo

right, bit of a problem here, now i agree that only approved drivers should be used, however i cant enable 8 pipes on my 9800se with any of the approved drivers, so i used the patched ones from techpowerup.com, so whats my options? use the card as an SE with 4 pipes? or will i be allowed to use the techpowerup drivers to enable 8 pipes and make it a pro, i guess i could flash it to a pro as i know the 8 pipes work thus allowing me to use approved drivers, but i'd much rather just softmod it
06-20-2005, 06:25 AM
LilGator

Jamo, I imagine using the softmod on an approved driver would be just fine.
06-20-2005, 06:48 AM
Entity_Razer

yheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :p:

I re-installed my intere GPU cooling, and replaced all PCM with arctique Ceramique

Before I ran my GPU @ 425MHZ RHTDRBL -artifact free this was with relativly normal weather. Not hot,not cold

Now today as a heatwave appears to role over belgium (yhea heatwave and belgium in the same scentence, never knew that could happen) I get 430MHZ.....

This is great, I image, if I can get my case cooled enough with the room blower I might be able to reach 440 or 450 again perhaps. This is just great. Who knew a checkup and some new PCM could do that much :D
06-20-2005, 06:54 AM
Jamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilGator

Jamo, I imagine using the softmod on an approved driver would be just fine.

i've tryed this, but futuremark still doesnt approve it, so i think it realises part of the driver has been modified, i heard there was a patch script for rivatuner but havnt found this yet.....had a 6800 and a pair of 6600's till last week so a little out of practise with ATI, does ATI allow LOD tweak? might not be as much as nvidia but i guess i might as well use it cos it seems everyone else likes fiddling with thier LOD, uptill now i havnt but i might as well jump on the bandwagon....

gonna be a good grand prix this guys, cant wait, have the final categorys been decided yet?
06-20-2005, 07:01 AM
Entity_Razer

ATi's do not allow for LOD
06-20-2005, 09:56 AM
Jamo

hmm, thats pretty lame, this is why i shyed away from it when i had nvidia cards, but now everyone seems to be using it so i guess its 'legit'
06-20-2005, 11:22 AM
STEvil

LOD has been in use since the first nVidia cards.

I dont agree with it, but everyone uses it, so to be competative in the nVidia class most everyone keeps using it.
06-20-2005, 12:33 PM
Entity_Razer

so defenitly ATI <-> Nvidia classes also
06-22-2005, 03:02 AM
-Acid-

I going to be trying hard for the A xp peeps

2850mhz + mxp power lolol looking to take some scalps lol
06-22-2005, 08:51 AM
Jasonhk

Hmm..SuperPi the CPU Benchies the only ones where i'll realy excell 25Secs in Pi and they arn't gonna count much anymore :( ahh LOL ;)

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