.........EVEN ONE user encode a problem, then there IS a problem......and we are not talking here for a bunch of users........They are a LOT..... ;)
P.S again...... :D I'm geting a DFI NF4 SLI-D mobo again coz I liked it....... ;) :)
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.........EVEN ONE user encode a problem, then there IS a problem......and we are not talking here for a bunch of users........They are a LOT..... ;)
P.S again...... :D I'm geting a DFI NF4 SLI-D mobo again coz I liked it....... ;) :)
@hipro5,
Regardless of what you have said above, I bet that it HAS something to do with RAM type/amount. To be more specific - I think UTT ***MIGHT*** be the one to blame, as all those failures happen with pretty much mostly Winbond UTT based RAM.
And yet there are plenty of non-DFI motherboard owners, who overvolt (using Booster, mods etc) and clock happily their UTT based RAM without issues.Quote:
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DOH!! ;)Quote:
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OK.........and WHY NOT on an INTEL rig and 3.6VDimm+.........?...... :)Quote:
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EDIT: I had my DFI over a week torturing it with BH-6, BH-5, UTT and Samsung.......I didn't encode NOT even one problem despait the "cold boot 3500+ CPU problem"......NOT a DFI's problem but COU's problem...... ;)
Answer to this question is same as for "Why many, many others have no issues with DFI NF4 and 4v vdimm-feed?" :D Simply, there's no straight answer for that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
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I think it's mostly been this type of RAM because the vast majority or users that even think of using the 5volt feed are those that own RAM which respond well to higher voltages that aren't availible with the 3.3volt feed.
For this reason we won't see many, if any, TCCD RAM users with problems pertaining to the 5volt feed (or any value RAM users either).
Thing is, I have yet to see someone with "old" BH-5 complaining about his RAM being killed by 4v option :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Snark42
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I have been taking most of the EU RMA's for OCZ for a while now, I have a huge amount of dead ram here, i talk with most of the users to see what they found etc and i can say this does NOT start and finish with UTT One guys has corsair and kingston BH5....killed one module from each kit. He has had 4kits of VX and 2 kits of twinmos BH5...all have had one module killed. This is just one guy....i have story's from many more.
Now i know you all love this board...i do to, issue is i don't like it killing memory, if it hasn't killed yours and you are on the 5v line, you ain't used it long enough yet....thats how I feel about the situation at the mo and im working VERYhard to help solve this problem.
All those people who are saying it has to be user error, go read on multiple forums to see what people are having issues, see how they set their rigs up and you wuill see they are just as thorough as you are and as I am.
Im going to say this again, come off the 5v line, tweak your 3.3v rail and enjoy your memory and your motherboard.
Hipro seems to think his maximizer works well and we have found the booster does also...maybe this could be another answer.
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Also. I had been on the 5volt feed for 3 months before my RAM died. I believe that this shows that I had some high quality PC3200 Gold VX that loved the voltage, but in the end couldn't handle the instability of the 5volt feed. I'm surprised it even lasted that long.
If you follow what I'm trying to say then there will be people who haven't yet lost their RAM with the 5volt feed but may soon (I just lost one stick of PC3200 Gold VX 5 days ago, and would have previously said that I was having no problems.....until it died)
I personally disagree bachus.Quote:
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There is something amiss here, we just don't know what it is yet.
JMO bro, but I FEEL there IS a correllation between the death and the DFI board
Whats causing it? I dunno, but I wish I did.
Peace
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I think that DFI should have actually installed that last Capacitor instead of leaving it off like other motherboard companies do. I realize it's common practice, but because we are using the 5volt feed I think it would have been a smart choice to actually include that last 'anti-voltage spike' capacitor.
Shi(f)t..........I just realised that I'm on an AMD section forum.......... :D :slapass: :slapass: mine....... :D
I know what you are doing.......You want to pull me into AMD world........ :D
Stay for a while? You're quite welcome to stay if you want...heh :DQuote:
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LMAOQuote:
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Ya better beat it before folks think ya actually like AMD....
Word will spread quickly my friend
:D
@bigtoe,
Maybe that's just me, but I have not seen so many people complaining about RAM (not only with DFI NF4) before Winbond UTT based sticks came out 6 months ago.
I also had two kits of UTT sticks that died same way, one stick dead after a while.... But guess what? It was on MSI K8N Neo2 ;) So, I'll just sit tight and see how this unfolds but I could bet some cash that it has something to do with RAM ;)
Winbond chips were rare before the UTT chips came out ;) and most people wont pay 300 bucks for a set of used winbond chipsQuote:
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again, from reading a few forums, yes some people have issues, i've seen one thread, and then the guy big toe mentioned both people with like 10 sticks of dead ram. both of these guys have a set of mem die and keep throwing more sticks in not thinking maybe its the board. some boards of any brand will have a faulty part and can cause issues. no offence but if i put in 2 sticks of mem and they died, i probo would try two more, if they died aswell i would never, ever put more memory in before switching the board out. personally, i have almost nothing die, and i'm pretty rough with hardware(not rough but no antistatic precautions, carpeted room, not to carefu), some people might just be being completely idiotic with their ram, who knows.
in this thread which is aimed at a specific problem there are only a few people that have had an issue, and TWO of them used 3.2v on the 5v line, something that IIRC angry or windwithme reported as an officially stupid idea a while back in a thread just to tell us that. using anything below 3.3v is very bad, its the HARDEST setting for the motherboard to use, 4v is FAR LESS DANGEROUS for the board itself than 3.2v when using the 5v jumper.
i dunno, maybe there is an issue with the board. remember, you must think more people, on average that buy this boar,d say 50% of all people getting this board are running huge overclocks increased voltage on everything, where as say maybe 20% of asus sli users are using really high voltages, and more people are buying the dfi board, to see more issues is expected, completely, IMHO.
Some of the things i've seen friends do makes me laugh and cry at the same time, they can kill hardware with pure crazyness, someone dropped water into his case(glass over edge of table) and didn't htink to turn off computer straight away as he was mid game. once water hit the wrong part, died. shock horror. I'm just not seeing this huge number of issues that are being talked about.
i've got two boards, both at high clocks using utt, one i play about with gskill and the 3.3v jumper too. its a 24/7 rig the first is the sli version which i've had since the day it was available in the uk. its been off for about 2 days when i moved the system to uni(moved in mid year), and not an issue. i've got the ultra-d at home and had that for about 2 months, 24/7 as i leave it downloading while i'm away(uni with most ports blocked so still downloading at home).
PS, i'm making a huge assumption, but if both you guys sent the boards to me for rma'ing and told me you used 5 v jumper and 3.2v setting, i could straight up tell you it was stupid idea and ask why you would do it considering you could do that on the 3.3v rail with no risk at all, or i could give you any old line so i don't have to be rude on the phone and risk losing your business, i know which way i went more often in rma department. if you both got replacement boards even though you both went against recommended use then IMHO demanding another "fixed" board with zero proof of any problem is ridiculous, i'd be chuffed that i got a replacement in your situation.
At the mo m8 I feel board, its happening to old BH5, old CH5, UTT CH5, UTT BH5, the only modules I have seen no moans about are EB/Micron.Quote:
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Issue is if you run 3.3V jumper it doesn't seem to happen...kinda weird but true.
Also Oskar does have a theory ont he cold boot issue and we should see another bios soon.
i guess we'll be testing this theory out. my UTT BH comes next week. i will run it at 3.4v continuous like i do on this classic BH. lets see if it dies while using +5.
Of course it does not happen on 3.3v, because with 3.3v source it's a lot more difficult to get more than 3.5-3.6vdimm for most of the people. Vmods are needed or adjustable PSUs. 4v option makes too many people too "voltage happy" and that leads to problems, imo. and I personally think, that Winbond-UTT chips just do not take high voltage as well as old, properly tested by in burn-in owens BH-5.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
pershoot, run 3.5/3.6v , its less hard on the board, and most utt does keep scaling up to those voltages so you should get a bit more speed anyway. its safer imho.
I should have added that these users are tweaking the 3.3v rail to 3.6v and running like that for 3 months or so...so they run the same vdimm, they just do it a different way.Quote:
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you shouldnt use below 3.3 while on +5. oskar warned of this in the very beginning. if one ran below 3.3 on +5, and encountered a fault, then that would be user error (since the warning was given).Quote:
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