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Originally Posted by STEvil
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Originally Posted by STEvil
YES.
how is the DFI karajan onboard sound? what would it be comprable to? like SB Live
I am waiting to buy this board.
I do want some features on the board the people that want a bench board that will never see a tower, maybe ATI could just send them some Engineering samples.
For the rest of Us some onboard features Plus some Nice clean Overclocking features would be great.
Onboard sound is a must Just for the simple fact of selling boards. The
mainstream Users will turn away from a soundless board. It is Just to Jurassic.
A onboard nic is a must.
A FDD connector for me is give or take. I use a floppy in every system I build. For sata drivers, bios flashing and startup disk for system back ups. I would like to see a FDD but could Live with out one if needed.
Ps/2 for Keyboard and mice are a Must. USB is driver based and still buggy it would be a shame to recieve a bunch of RMA'd boards do to keyboards and mice not working, just because of User error.
Two IDE ports are a must, using just one if you are using a IDE based HD with a Optical drive getting a cable to span both drives is a real Pain especially with larger cases.
IDE drives are long in there stride and for the money they will be around a bit yet.
The I/O parrell port can go they are long gone. com ports too.
3 PCI slots would be a luxury 2 PCI slots are a must. TVcard and upgraded sound card = a upgrade path.
I really see no need for 4 dimm slots, all of the benchers here only use one dimm 99% of the time. The average user will use 2-512 dimms at most and only the super extreme or a server builder will use 4 dimm slots. 1,2 slots overclock better than 3 or 4. loosing 2 dimms could free up some serious space.
Just making a robust chipset is the first priorty, in which ATI has. Second would be a Clean and fruitful Power scheme across the board.
People Like goodies, supplying (FET) Heatsinks Like Epox does with there Powerpack bundle along with some Quality round cables will add some glitZ to the package and secure some wanted sales.
if 4V for dimm voltage is too much to build into the board, build the power circuit so that a simple resister mode can be done in the field, same with the Vcore. the Extreme enthusiest will be more than eager to do a dab of soldering or make a grabber purchase. :2cents:
nah id want 4 dimm slots...
why. I'd never use more than 2 slots. It just makes things easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
I'd rather have 4, too.
run 2gb for gaming, pull two sticks for benching.
Sounds like things are shaping up
can't wait to try out this board.
when you make the chipset, please be cognizant of placement of the chipset and that overclockers like add their own cooling solutions. a major drawback of many of the nf3, nf4 boards is that the chipset cooling lies right under the graphics cards and don't give you room to add custom air/water cooling.
also, if you do plan on AMR for this board, leave enough space between the 2 gfx cards to allow for dual slot air/water/phase cooling solutions. an even better solution would be to make mirror image cards available. by this i mean, make a small production # of cards that are mirror images of the normal cards so that space between the cards isn't an issue for mounting cooling. i'd guess this wouldn't be feasible but toss the idea to the engineers and have them give a go at it. you could sell them at a ratio comparable to what you think the % of people going AMR would be.
this would end with too many dead boards or people complaining about dead memory and cpus i gues...Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
but a nice idear would be to build the board so that modding it would be quite easy and allows stable 4v vdimm and stable 2v vcore :)
Proper component placement alleviates the need for mirrored cards. Proper placement would also allow aftermarket cooling on the NB. This is one of the biggest problems with the current boards out there. You have a NB & SB combined into one package. It gets hot and it's placement on the board precludes the use of a better cooler and in most cases long graphics cards actually impede airflow into the stock coolers. With a discrete NB and SB there are distinct advantages in this regard. Firstly, the design breaks up the thermals into two chips so that each one is cooler from the beginning. Secondly, with two chips the traditional NB placement is such that there is a lot of space in that area for a significant stock cooler and space for aftermarket ones as well. Having said that, keep in mind that the TDP of the RX480 is very low and even an active cooler with a fan would be considered overkill. This chip can run without a heatsink without any problems whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by jikdoc
I am very interested at what you guys have gotten out of this board.
ATi pwnz j00! If this is anything remotely resembling some of the ideas bounced around in this thread it'll be an nForce killer.
yeah, so far there chipset sounds great, just that USB thing, but beyond that its great. If ATi makes a board like this, prices is right, and gets it out in numbers it will be great. ATi makes great stuff so this should be interesting to see.
I'm noticing something, more companies are getting on XS and I'm noticing more of there posts from there workers. GraySkull for example, he's here getting feedback on what we want, smart move for ATI to make.
jjcom
I have been able to (atleast) match the best overclock numbers (air to air) of the "best" board that everyone is talking about. This is on our Bullhead reference board with stock AMD cooler. :D Haven't even really tried too hard neither. I want to make some facts about that board known to all so that you can put things into perspective:
-it's a 4 layer board
-it was never designed to deliver the amount of current required for extreme overclocking of the memories or CPU
-the NB core, pci-e and HT power rails are all driven by the same regulator
-significant space has been allocated for debug functionality and this takes away from routing resources
For anyone who is familiar with board design, they can fully understand the handicap that this board has. Despite the handicaps, the results speak for themselves.
That's not to say the Bullhead board was a poorly designed board. On the contrary, it shows how skilled our board designers are. They were able to design a board that meets a very low cost target but can perform like the best of the best. The above handicaps are being addressed and another reference board will be available shortly. (One of the "brothers" of Bullhead) This one, has a different set of goals. ;)
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Originally Posted by G0DZILLA
I see so your doing something like this, I'll ASUS for an example:
You've got your A7V600-X where X denotes value board
and then you've got your Delux and mainstream boards. am I heading in the right direction here? If so sounds good :D
jjcom
That would be nice but I don't think ATI will mass produce motherboards, just some reference motherboards. :(
yea if i dont see a release date soon...DFI is getting my 200 bills
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Originally Posted by jjcom
:slobber: :toast:
Thats what I got from that post too.. I cant wait to see these things... I haven't decided on my A64 mobo yet :D
That haven't really said if they'll make them or not...but maybe we can encourage them to :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RaptorRaider
jjcom
ive had the A64 bug for a while but im waiting for you ATI.
Give me a board that implements the full feature set of pci express, hence support pci-e x32.
Make that board with:
5 x16 pci-e connectors
2 ~ pci connectors
Allow me to assign the number of pci channels I want to each connectors (bios).
- Give me full access to the pci-e 32 lanes and let me assign them to the connector I want, hence offering me the flexibility of placing high bandwith cards such as a pci-e raid scsi controller (x4) where and when I want it.
- Place 2 video cards in the connectors I want and assign either 8-12-14 or 16 channels per connectors depending of what the card can do, and I'm not stuck in positionning them physically hence plenty of space for monster coolers.
(and ATI go make a prioprietary duplex link to connect from chipset to north bridge ~ find your own don't steal my links - lol!)
I want access to the 32 lanes just for me .
Obviouly this is plenty flexible since x1-x2-x4 are backward connector compatible to x16 !
And to some extent futur proofing meself, for that nice powerfull QUAD GPU/dual slot high bandwith requirement 24 pci-e channels High Performance Video Card ATI will eventually send me for coming up with such a brilliant idea!
Should I send you my mailing address now ?
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Originally Posted by Blindbat
:stick: ...ummmmm...yea...all i can say is i hope you dont design any motherboards in the coming yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Blindbat
good look grayskull on this one
pci-e 16x isnt even being saturated yet let alone agp 8x. WHY should motherboard makers design a board that just opens more bandwidth thats not going to be saturated. This is like putting a huge turbo in your civic that doesnt have tires. in other words...pointless :)
Greedy, at 32...not really just want to be able to use the full bandwith of the standard, and at the same time futur proofing myself to some extent.
Northbridge to southbride path, yes u are utilizing 2 pci channel today, use them if you want but you'll probably need more if I have access to 32 pci channel. What ever protocol u use between the two, should not diminish the number of channel for the user.
But in short 32 for me, and for you well your own proprietary if need be.
Channel assignment, nightmare....should not be, challenging yes ..nightmare dunno?Simple thought that comes to my mind is a digital switching matrix.
In short today, with graphic being assign 16 channels, it leaves no room to move into high performance adjunct such as a pci-e scsi controller for example x4. Once utized no channels left for another widget.
The issue is not of being satured, for I agree...the issue is that the lanes are wasted today correctly as u say. x16 is under utilized and wasted. The present architecture prevents me for utilizing the full bandwith of the pci-e channels and re assign them to another devide that could use for example 4 of the lanes not used in a x16 slots and I could use it for a scsi controller for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobalt
Today you have a huge turbo in a civic in the form of x16 16 lanes assigned to that connector ...so to your point .....useless or as u said ..pointless.