OH....screwed...how so? We have ram that does 260+ 2-2-2 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
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OH....screwed...how so? We have ram that does 260+ 2-2-2 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Figures, just my luck. How soon will it be out? any more details? And that previous remark wasn't serious.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
I'm sure Colin has one for sure. i'll have mine on monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
This Thread is so Whacked ..
Number one .. no one avoided any questions ,
Number two .. Mushkin are solid , nice guys and deserve better that the assumption they have done something wrong...
Number Three... OCZ is never screwed , Our engineers are the best :cool:
Finally, The answer to all your questions regarding this oddity are now answered
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...d=1#post579587
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I knew that remark was going to get me in trouble lol. Thanks for clearing this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
ok, dont need high res pics then :D
2-2-2 @ 255MHz
vs.
2.5-3-3 @ 300MHz
Why doesn't anyone compare ?
This low-latency is nice and everything, but if people are breaking 8K in Sandra with only having to put 2.8v on TCCD ... who cares ?
Enlighten me :)
You guys can trust Colin he is a good reviewer and a stand up guy as well :) (Colin you can pay me the money later ;))
Steve
Hey there guys. :)
Please forgive the late reply, was exceptionally busy at work today. Anyway here are the pictures as promised...
http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/PCSt.../Mushkin_1.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/PCSt.../Mushkin_2.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/csmo/PCSt...shkin/DRAM.jpg
Going to run high latency tests later, right now I'm a bit busy with dinner...
If you'd liek a scan of something specific, just post here (although I might miss it, not on purpose though) or PM me.
Anyway if I do not respond to questions please understand that I have a few things to do this wknd and will try my best to address any issues.
Hehe, Steve I can't pay if you keep increasing your... fees. ;)
yup, so colin was right all along. he never steered me wrong before, always straight cut and truthfull.
He's a Canadian! Canadians are honest imo. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
thats because us canadians are nice people. :D
we are just people like everyone else.
Well anyway thanks to the guys who supported me throughout the thing, I'm glad Ryan at OCZ addressed the issue (for those who missed it).
Haha I actually thought I went crazy there for a few minutes! ;)
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Originally Posted by LilGator
OCZ 3700EB----3-3-2-7-2-2-2-4-11-13=49 mem. clocks
GEIL Ultra(old)--2-2-2-5-2-2-1-3-10-12=41 mem. clocks
My GEIL PC3500 ran 2-2-2-5 at 217mhz and the OCZ matched it around 250 mhz in PiFast testing
250(fsb)/49 (clocks) = 5.10204 mhz/clock vs 217/49 =4.428 =SLOW
217(fsb)/41 (clocks) = 5.29268 mhz/clock
Sandra was 7000 (ocz) vs 6600 (geil) which equalized the advantage the lower timings had.
How fast your computer is IMO is how much info/bandwidth you can push and also how quick the system can push that info/bandwidth.
Main reason for keeping my OCZ was due to it being able to handle 260+ mhz and I figured once I get a Mobo that can handle 3v+ the OCZ should rocket up to 290 or more and keep decent timings.
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Example 1----2.5-3-3-6-2-2-2-4-11-13=48.5 mem. clocks
Example 2-------2-2-2-5-2-2-1-3-10-12=41 mem. clocks
300/48.5 =6.1855 vs 255/41=6.219 thus very equal
I know some changes like RAS to CAS effects the results more just giving a Generic example. The experts can shed more light on this
Guys latency vs high fsb. I have seen 2.5-3-3-10 at 300 and 285 3-2-2-0 all 1T...which do you think is faster?
Buffered sandra only tells you the fsb is high and not much else, unbuffered is better but im now leaning to everest and memtest86 as a guide.
If you get high write speeds on everest your going to see faster/higher benches (3d pi etc)...I have hit 3K writes with DDR2 at 733 ish 4-2-2-12 and 2800 with DDR1 2-2-2-5 on the max3...both were fast on PI and real good with 3dmark.
We should start an Everest data base so we can all compare, we are all used to sandra but for me it doesn't tell the whole story.
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Originally Posted by bigtoe
Isnt that waht the unbuffered test is for ? :D
who said he was untruthfull?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
sorry for soundsing a bit harsh in an earlier post colin :D :toast:
but tbh it looked exactly like it was bh5/bh6, with the bad 2.5-3-3 results and the high vdimm 2-2-2 results :D
cool, tccd is getting better and better with 2-2-2 and high volts... thats great! :D
yes it is to a point.
Simply put someone with both types of mem available need to just post some 265-280Mhz cas 2,2,2,5 (or nf3 whatever works best for you) vs max some of the best tccd can do 300Mhz or whatever, post everest, sisoft buff/unbuff, 3dmark, superpi, pifast and we will all pretty much get a rough idea. Sisoft on its own is no good, its a decent bench sometimes people knock it, seems to be the bench of choice every 3-4 months then everyone bashes it for a bit as useless. Buff tends to mean smeg all, unbuff gives you a better idea of what will happen with other benchmarks, but we'll see.
Heck, if my tccd(coming monday/tuesday) does ok even comparing say 250Mhz bh-5 to 270-275 tccd should give a rough clue as to whats up.
just another statement of fact, this is all high end stupid volts available situations. I think 90% of us without doubt could agree for your average user looking for best clock friendly ram on non modded boards tccd is the mem to recommend. it may or may not be the official best mem available, but for your average user at low volts it rocks.
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Originally Posted by drunkenmaster
uhhhh..... if your looking for what is good for the average user your in the wrong forum. ;)
and 3.4vdimm isnt crazy volts at all. lots of people would and do use that much.
sounds like a good idea, an everest database :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
275 2-2-2 is matched by 300 2.5-3-3 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
275 3-2-2 is a slightly different story, just like 3-3-3...
and i dont know if opb used the a64 tweaker...
So why are we getting hoping that TCCD can do 2-2-2-5 @ 255MHz if you get lucky ... when it can already smash that at 2.3-3-3- @ 280-300MHz ?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
:confused:
Its just so nice to have ram that is so flexible. You could run it at 2-2-2-5 at 255mhz in an axp system or you could take that very same ram and through it into an intel setup doing 2.5-3-3-7 at 300mhz!Quote:
Originally Posted by LilGator
Its flexible,,,,,and that's the name of the game.
Not all the people have and amd system. (the open multiplier)Quote:
Originally Posted by LilGator
Average overclocks of a p4 3.0gh for example is just around 240fsb
Here I would benefit from the tight timings more the high fsb.
colin you got these nice 255 2-2-2-5 3.3v on INTEL
what about DFI NFII ULTRA INFINITY ? any idea...i have 3.3vdimm tho ...
http://www.overclockercafe.com/Revie...kin_PC3200_V2/
also 0431 TCCD batch
http://www.systemcooling.com/mushkin_v2_pc3200-01.html
same
seems batch 0431 does better then old 0416 ? :confused: