I've found 12000 Winbond BH-6 chips stock.....

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07-31-2004, 02:26 AM
hipro5

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Originally posted by Kalway
Here's some doublestackers.

Nice thought....!!!!........I think I'll try something like this for experament....... ;)
07-31-2004, 02:33 AM
hipro5

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Originally posted by bigtoe
You guys have to remember the IC's do have to be binned for speed before they go on a module..then the modules are built and then rebinned again.

Also, not to put a downer on this but the last BH6 we tried sucked bad, it was the absoloute bottom of the barrel.This is why we stopped stocking it.

One last thing you all have to remember.

BH5, BH6 and BH7 all come off the same wafer.BH6 is BH5 fails.BH7 is BH6 fails..nothing more.They all take the same voltage etc as they are really the same IC, just binned for speed by winbond.

bigtoe the ones I've found were made in the year of 2002 ........Your's and Mushkin's were the newer ones in year 2003.......I think that Winbond turned on their machines once again in the year 2003 , so as to produce some more BH-5 chips(their last ones) for some companies...........Not all productions are the same........The worst of BH-6 I've seen (not including year 2003 - the worst) was the BH-6 AND BH-5 of 245WD branded.........The best so far are the 226 and 225 ones the can do with 3.1Vdimm , 253+MHz........ ;)
07-31-2004, 02:37 AM
hipro5

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Originally posted by SPiKE
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I WANT!!! :D

http://episode.serverdelsur.com.ar/Spika/hipro.jpg

You are crazy man......... :D :toast:
07-31-2004, 03:28 AM
Kalway

To fix some compatibility issues you could make a single sided/doublestacked 512mb stick.

One problem with doublestackers is heat. It's very difficult to cool the bottoms chips, and they heat up the top chips. So you must cool the top ones very well.
07-31-2004, 03:41 AM
Tony

Hipro

You still would need to bin them before you build modules, then again once built.

Its more involved that you all i think i feel here
07-31-2004, 04:07 AM
hipro5

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Originally posted by bigtoe
Hipro

You still would need to bin them before you build modules, then again once built.

Its more involved that you all i think i feel here

Don't put me into this M8......... :D

I'll built a circuit for the SPD chip so as we could program it.........Not build another one circuit so as to test each chip individual......... :D

I'll solder them onto their PCB and IF something will go wrong , I'll unsolder them and visa-versa.... It takes me about 2.5 - 3 min for each 256 module to unsolder and solder back..........I'm NOT going to be reach with this stuff...I'd love to get all these chips so as NOT to be through them away some time.........I don't own a big company for such things you know........

BIG EDIT : :D I've found about the same quantity in BH-5 chips too......Not bad I think...... :D
07-31-2004, 04:24 AM
eva2000

Hipro-Winbond company is born :)
07-31-2004, 04:31 AM
hipro5

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Originally posted by eva2000
Hipro-Winbond company is born :)

:D
07-31-2004, 04:32 AM
eshbach

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Originally posted by hipro5
quantity in BH-5 chips too......Not bad I think...... :D

shazam! same price for the BH-5?
07-31-2004, 04:36 AM
SPiKE

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Originally posted by hipro5
BIG EDIT : :D I've found about the same quantity in BH-5 chips too......Not bad I think...... :D

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07-31-2004, 04:43 AM
hipro5

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Originally posted by eshbach
shazam! same price for the BH-5?

I do not know about the price yet........I'm waiting for a reply to my e-mail from them....... ;)
07-31-2004, 04:48 AM
Tony

Hipro..you have absolutely NO IDEA whats involved with this....make a fast buck by buying and sellling the chips on to another dram manufacturer as just randomly soldering chips to a PCB is not going to get you good modules...trust me i work for a dram manufacturer you know ;)

You would need to buy the IC's...have them speed binned and graded, then have the modules built, then speed bin and set spd.

Im all for you having a go but you really do need to fully apreciate what is involved in getting the modules to perform well.
If you are going to do this do it properly or you would just be wasting your money.

On a side note we know there are still stocks of BH6 and BH5 out there, its just not worth persuing them for us as the yield was so low and the EB was so much better.

Hipro..good luck m8
07-31-2004, 04:51 AM
hipro5

I'll give it a try and we'll see........Thanks M8........ :)
07-31-2004, 04:56 AM
SPiKE

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Originally posted by bigtoe
Hipro..you have absolutely NO IDEA whats involved with this....make a fast buck by buying and sellling the chips on to another dram manufacturer as just randomly soldering chips to a PCB is not going to get you good modules...trust me i work for a dram manufacturer you know ;)

You would need to buy the IC's...have them speed binned and graded, then have the modules built, then speed bin and set spd.

Im all for you having a go but you really do need to fully apreciate what is involved in getting the modules to perform well.
If you are going to do this do it properly or you would just be wasting your money.

On a side note we know there are still stocks of BH6 and BH5 out there, its just not worth persuing them for us as the yield was so low and the EB was so much better.

Hipro..good luck m8

You work for OCZ?
07-31-2004, 04:57 AM
avicenna

If this all works out as i hope it will i whould be interested in 2*512 BH-5/6 aswell.
:)
07-31-2004, 05:42 AM
Chevelle

Same here. I would like 2*512 also :toast: .
07-31-2004, 05:47 AM
apostglen46

Hipro go on I have a 512 kingston value ram with infineon bt-6
07-31-2004, 05:48 AM
apostglen46

Wanna test???
07-31-2004, 05:58 AM
apostglen46

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Originally posted by SPiKE
You work for OCZ?

I think that too.........Why are you trying so hard to discourage hipro5 and take all those BH5/6 for some company that will sell them 2 times more?????:mad:
No offence OK?:D
07-31-2004, 06:01 AM
Jeff

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Originally posted by hipro5
I'll give it a try and we'll see........Thanks M8........ :)

That's the only way. You never know someone's intention... no offense BigToe... so seeing for yourself is the only way. ;)

Good luck! :toast:
07-31-2004, 06:12 AM
georgesod

I believe Hipro5 will work things out. He always does and bigtoe will prove himself wrong
07-31-2004, 06:19 AM
hipro5

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Originally posted by Jeff
That's the only way. You never know someone's intention... no offense BigToe... so seeing for yourself is the only way. ;)

Good luck! :toast:

Thanks M8......... :toast:
07-31-2004, 07:23 AM
Tony

Im not in any way trying to discourage Hipro from doing this...im just trying to help him decide what is the best way to do this and if it is worth spending potentially a lot of cash.

You have to remember the spot market had OCZ, Buffalo and Mushkin all buying BH6 and BH5 in just the same way as Hipro is doing now..we all tested IC's on a regular basis and all now decided the yield is to low to actually think it was worth while carrying on with BH based modules.If there was still good stuff out there trust me OCZ would buy it.

Now, this doesn't mean some of the BH5 hipro has found will not be any good...what it does mean is that careful speed binning will be needed before modules are built and this IC speed binning is not cheap. I just have a feeling you guys think its a simple task of soldering an IC on a pcb and thats it you have a wonder module...i can tell you this is far from the case.

If you guys had any idea of how many modules and IC's we test at ocz you would know that it takes a long time to find a stable source of good IC's etc and they have to be constantly checked week in week out for constistancy.

Also the pcb has to have the correct components to accept the BH IC so just any old PCB will not do..you have to be careful here.

Now to finish for those who don't know I work for OCZ and have done over a year now.I was instrumental in deciding if OCZ would restock the BH5 and BH6 modules and i also had a hand in deciding to drop them when yield bagan to suck.The last BH6 we tested was that bad less than 20% would do 200fsb at 2.8Vdimm, this is why i am expressing caution here.
07-31-2004, 07:27 AM
Tony

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Originally posted by georgesod
I believe Hipro5 will work things out. He always does and bigtoe will prove himself wrong

Im advising caution here bud..you need to read my posts more carefully.Im not here to prove anyone wrong or be proven wrong, im just trying to help with carefully thought out advice.
07-31-2004, 07:28 AM
hipro5

bigtoe is right...........That's NOT easy what I'll try to do........It needs (at the begeining) hours so as to figure out what will happen and how good are they........We'll se...........Time will tell us....... :)

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