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I have seen SAE recommend cat 3.1. A clean install would be the only way to fairly judge since, apparently u lose 1% performance with every driver change.Quote:
Originally posted by Bad-Religion
not really sure about that.. i tried it and i lost about 500 pts in 3dmark01..i was using cat 4.1:)
Yeah. CATs 3.1... those make you loose some frames in nature, but the gains you get in the other tests and the higher graphics clocks make up for it...Quote:
Originally posted by megatron
I have seen SAE recommend cat 3.1. A clean install would be the only way to fairly judge since, apparently u lose 1% performance with every driver change.
I tried 3.2, 3.5, 3.7 and 3.1 were the best.
hi. i have serious probs with this issue.
but my biggest problem is, that i am not able to fix it by shutting down apic. the system locks up while starting windows.
or do i have to reinstall win 2k after shutting down apic in the bios?
Don't disable it in bios, if you installed windows with that...Quote:
Originally posted by masterpain
hi. i have serious probs with this issue.
but my biggest problem is, that i am not able to fix it by shutting down apic. the system locks up while starting windows.
or do i have to reinstall win 2k after shutting down apic in the bios?
Disable it in win2k by going to Systemsteuerung/system/gerätemanager/PC and click on ACPI-Uniprocessor-PC and reinstall its drivers, choose acpi-pc instead... then reboot and you should have apic disabled.
If it does not fix it, you may try to cool your SB better, set vdd to 1.9V and maybe setting pci latency to a higher value (64 or 96... 128) with the help of 8rdavcore - latest beta.
P.S. Welcome to the sickness, my German fellow :D
Hi just wondering if anyone has tried the 4-29 bios. If not, do you know what is changed? hehe 4-29 is my bday :-D
Hi,
This is my first post here, I've a DFI Ultra Infinity, bios 1/31, running an XP-M@10*250 with 2*256MB Corsair V1.1 11-2-2-2.
But I've no 3D stable @ this fsb, 3dm2k1 returns to desktop :(
My graphic card is a SUMA TI4200SE, prime is good in tt blend, so I do not understand.
What do i have to do ?
Thx
it looks like a vcore issue. Either your chip doesnt have enough vcore, or it cant handle that speed. Or it can be something else, but it is prolly the vcore. Try lowering the multiplier to 9 with the same vcore to see if its the ram or mobo.
3D stability issue when the CPU runs prime fine.... AGP access timings. Try dropping memory settings to 11,3,3,3,2.5 at the 250Mhz point and test. Also, at 11,2,2,2,2.0 lower FSB till you reach 3D stability point.
To test, 3Dmark is NOT good enough, you can pass it and still not be stable. Download the Farcry demo....or go buy it... and run that for 1-2 HOURS straight without an error. At that point you are sure of 99.9% stability.
If it runs ok with loose timings 3D at 250Mhz, then you know its the AGP access to memory that is forcing you to back off memory speed a bit. You need to bench and decide which is best... 230Mhz x11 11,2,2,2,2.0 or 250Mhz x10 11,3,3,3,2.5 (just ex: #'s).
We all face the issue of all NForce2 bios's have one set of memory timings, rather than seperate CPU vs AGP access timings.
Obviously your CPU access timings are fine at 250Mhz, but are too fast for the AGP-to-memory path..... join the club.
so what about the 4-29 bios...i cant find any information on it, and before i go through the trouble of flashing, id just like to know whats changed :)
Mobile CPU recognition, cold boot fixed, compatability for higher latency ram and a random b00rking of the Bios chip were implemented with the 4/29
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Originally posted by Kobalt
so what about the 4-29 bios...i cant find any information on it, and before i go through the trouble of flashing, id just like to know whats changed :)
it works quite fine. i have just tested it.
but i did not gain any extra speed from this bios. :(
and even with this bios it is not possible to run 11-2-2-2-2 for me (testing @ 6-2-2-2-2). and it is no stable to run my khx 3000 bh-5 (2*512mb) in dc @ any clock or voltage. i will test them with memtest 86 if they are still working as they should.
@ sae: do you think a zalman heatsink with a 40mm*40mm is enough for the sb?
Im on 505-T6-121. Still DFI and all NForce2 makers need to solve the high FSB 3D stability....BUT... more data points.
Im on single stick testing, my 2x 512M BH5 KHX3000K2/1G will do 230Mhz 11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd;6/15/6/15/6/15 in dual channel max for 3D stability. No dropouts, etc all 100% perfect for a zillion hours straight, memtest#5 prime, 3Dmark, Farcry, etc etc.
Same ram, one stick at a time....250Mhz flawlessly.
BTW I need my toaster-sig, who do I send the snaps too.
In dual channel both sticks do 250Mhz flawlessly until.... 3D, anything having the AGP bus do AGP accesses at 250Mhz dual channel causes failure. All 2D benches, software, etc works like a charm, hours on end but 3D....clunk.
Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.
BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.
Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!
Toaster on DFI support forums...Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Im on 505-T6-121. Still DFI and all NForce2 makers need to solve the high FSB 3D stability....BUT... more data points.
Im on single stick testing, my 2x 512M BH5 KHX3000K2/1G will do 230Mhz 11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd;6/15/6/15/6/15 in dual channel max for 3D stability. No dropouts, etc all 100% perfect for a zillion hours straight, memtest#5 prime, 3Dmark, Farcry, etc etc.
Same ram, one stick at a time....250Mhz flawlessly.
BTW I need my toaster-sig, who do I send the snaps too.
In dual channel both sticks do 250Mhz flawlessly until.... 3D, anything having the AGP bus do AGP accesses at 250Mhz dual channel causes failure. All 2D benches, software, etc works like a charm, hours on end but 3D....clunk.
Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.
BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.
Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!
read here and post your screenie showing everything AG wants too see in one screen (no photoshop)...
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...s=&threadid=21
I assume you have CPC off? How would we be able to change agp stability? OSKAR sometimes reads DFI forums and you maybe could open a thread about that in the OC section there :)
Yes, it works fine in single channel, thx ;)Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Thing is, the 3D works like a charm at 250Mhz in SINGLE CHANNEL mode with either stick. So there is something about the timings setup of the AGP accesses that pisses off dual-channel. The CPU accesses work fine.
BTW, Im APIC on, 8x, Fastwrites, SBA enabled, and 96 AGP latency.
Awesome to see sound/lan/etc flawless at such high FSB's... great BIOS .....AMDMODDEV and Boyz!
Nice MB :
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0005385.jpg
I could do that pifast 32m stable and 3dstable using dual channel, max timings (incl. CPC) and apic with my old board... (R.I.P.) :(Quote:
Originally posted by Kant
Yes, it works fine in single channel, thx ;)
Nice MB :
http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0005385.jpg
Hi SAE...
Think about the memory controller as a DUAL CPU controller. Your mobile athalon is ONE of the cpus, and your AGP card is the other.
It is a special purpose CPU but it accesses memory just as the Athalon does.
Well, those accesses are governed by timing settings, just like the Athalon accesses. I would "hope" NVidia broke them out as seperate settings, but WE only get access to one set of timings.... which are meant for the CPU, but what exactly gets used for the AGP we dont know.
This is probably something Oskar has already dealt with somewhat, since DFI gets higher 3D stable FSB more easily.
But perhaps he needs to go a little further in the loosening of the AGP stuff so more of us can get 250Mhz 3D stable with tight CPU/memory timings. As it is, we have to back off in general to make the AGP accesses happy. So this is where Oskar can help.
Ultimately give us another page full of memory timings, etc :D
Hehe. uwackme, pal. I already read your postings about that issue :thumbsup: You seem to know your stuff well :)Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Hi SAE...
Think about the memory controller as a DUAL CPU controller. Your mobile athalon is ONE of the cpus, and your AGP card is the other.
It is a special purpose CPU but it accesses memory just as the Athalon does.
Well, those accesses are governed by timing settings, just like the Athalon accesses. I would "hope" NVidia broke them out as seperate settings, but WE only get access to one set of timings.... which are meant for the CPU, but what exactly gets used for the AGP we dont know.
This is probably something Oskar has already dealt with somewhat, since DFI gets higher 3D stable FSB more easily.
But perhaps he needs to go a little further in the loosening of the AGP stuff so more of us can get 250Mhz 3D stable with tight CPU/memory timings. As it is, we have to back off in general to make the AGP accesses happy. So this is where Oskar can help.
Ultimately give us another page full of memory timings, etc :D
But my older board could do 264 3dstable... (at last several times through 3dm01)... without the apic problems I am experiencing now. :(
Those China boards are cr*p IMO... I need a Taiwan one to survive till I can afford an a64 3500 and S939 (630euros atm).
Anyone giving me one... ? :D
But you don't have a Ti4200 :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
I could do that pifast 32m stable and 3dstable using dual channel, max timings (incl. CPC) and apic with my old board... (R.I.P.) :(
I will try with an hercules 9700pro
Yes, I have 2 Taiwan boards here... LP and Inf. Microcenter.com has older stock on these apparently, so you are pretty sure of getting a TW board.... at least in the Cambridge Ma store here.
Believe me, after all the ATI cards that have past through my hands for freinds/family, Im with you on the China QA issue. Some really bad cases of cold-solder joints, etc.
My INF is 3D stable at 235Mhz so far... Ill creep up on it.
I need to get some baby SMD resistors to do the VCore changes, and Im out of 50K (SB vdd) pots, plus I need a 200K to do Vdimm.
I want to do the mods, even if I dont actually turn the pots for increases, at least they will be there if I need them. Im dying to switch over but need to get this running 100% perfect... too much of a pain tearing down the fnished system to mod.
Might even consider getting another 80G HDisk to try a 4X raid0 experiment....peg that PCI bandwidth to the wall :D
I still need Raptors for myself, I luv them on my brothers machine.
A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.Quote:
Originally posted by Kant
But you don't have a Ti4200 :toast:
I will try with an hercules 9700pro
Hey. I would order one if I could... but I am in Germany. That's a problem. They don't have any Taiwan boards left here it seems. :(Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Yes, I have 2 Taiwan boards here... LP and Inf. Microcenter.com has older stock on these apparently, so you are pretty sure of getting a TW board.... at least in the Cambridge Ma store here.
Believe me, after all the ATI cards that have past through my hands for freinds/family, Im with you on the China QA issue. Some really bad cases of cold-solder joints, etc.
My INF is 3D stable at 235Mhz so far... Ill creep up on it.
I need to get some baby SMD resistors to do the VCore changes, and Im out of 50K (SB vdd) pots, plus I need a 200K to do Vdimm.
I want to do the mods, even if I dont actually turn the pots for increases, at least they will be there if I need them. Im dying to switch over but need to get this running 100% perfect... too much of a pain tearing down the fnished system to mod.
Might even consider getting another 80G HDisk to try a 4X raid0 experiment....peg that PCI bandwidth to the wall :D
I still need Raptors for myself, I luv them on my brothers machine.
I need a TW board... my Chinas one does not respond to the sb vdd mod, it lags when vdimm mod is connected and is overall unstable at high clocks... (fsb & cpu) Moreover it corrupts the bios more often.
I am frustrated since I know what I could do on my TW board... :(
This is not a problem of power, but of agp timings :slobber:Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.
Ugh that sux. Not responding to the SB mod, must be a real dog of a chip. By lags, what do you mean? Sporatic response in 3D?
Ive been gaming a bit with ONE stick of BH5 in at 250Mhz..... no sound or lan troubles at all....AmericasAr,y beats on sound and lan and would drop out quickly before going to the 505-T6-121 bios on the LPuB, the INF didnt get a chance to ride anything but this bios ;-)
Im testing each stick alone, with wide range of drivestrength and slew settings. All is based on:
11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd
250Mhz x10, 1:1, 66Mhz agp, 1.8V agp, 1.7V Vdd, 1.85Vcore, 3.3Vdimm
Takes forever to test each setting. Do you want me to try and track down a TW board?
Do the sb vdd help you anything on the TW board? And in what then?Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
A ti4200 will often get you higher... it does not draw this much power from the system... especially at my clocks.
Hey. I would order one if I could... but I am in Germany. That's a problem. They don't have any Taiwan boards left here it seems. :(
I need a TW board... my Chinas one does not respond to the sb vdd mod, it lags when vdimm mod is connected and is overall unstable at high clocks... (fsb & cpu) Moreover it corrupts the bios more often.
I am frustrated since I know what I could do on my TW board... :(
The lagging I was referring to is like the mouse/the whole system 's not responding for about 2-4seconds when moving the mouse while opening apps or just moing the mouse too fast. It's really annoying :mad: But it only seems to happen when the Vdimm mod is connected. Weird it is.Quote:
Originally posted by uwackme
Ugh that sux. Not responding to the SB mod, must be a real dog of a chip. By lags, what do you mean? Sporatic response in 3D?
Ive been gaming a bit with ONE stick of BH5 in at 250Mhz..... no sound or lan troubles at all....AmericasAr,y beats on sound and lan and would drop out quickly before going to the 505-T6-121 bios on the LPuB, the INF didnt get a chance to ride anything but this bios ;-)
Im testing each stick alone, with wide range of drivestrength and slew settings. All is based on:
11,2,2,2,2.0;1,3,3,3,2,1,3;eefd
250Mhz x10, 1:1, 66Mhz agp, 1.8V agp, 1.7V Vdd, 1.85Vcore, 3.3Vdimm
Takes forever to test each setting. Do you want me to try and track down a TW board?
P.S. Sent you a PM :)
No. I would say never change/mod a running system without problems... :rolleyes: With the TW board it did not help any, with this current China one it's the same :(Quote:
Originally posted by Lastviking
Do the sb vdd help you anything on the TW board? And in what then?
I have a 123W TEC on the NB, it's a 15.4V one at 12V and it cools down the board well, hehe. But it also seems to have no effect on the China board. (besides I can run everything at 1.7Vdd ;) )
Sorry I have not answered this earlier... just forgotten ;)Quote:
Originally posted by masterpain
@ sae: do you think a zalman heatsink with a 40mm*40mm is enough for the sb?
Should be enough, but to make sure everything's cool put a small fan there, too :)