Kylning.com carries the Vapo LS and the Waterchill on the same page.
BTW....I just read on the Vapo forum that asetek is sending Cathar a new LS Vapo because they borrowed and "improved" on his water block design.
I wonder what Dtek sent him?
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Kylning.com carries the Vapo LS and the Waterchill on the same page.
BTW....I just read on the Vapo forum that asetek is sending Cathar a new LS Vapo because they borrowed and "improved" on his water block design.
I wonder what Dtek sent him?
Our site ( OcShoot.no - Norwegian only - we got tired of writing "english" and killed OcShoot.com ) have had a long and very good relation
with Asetek - but we have quarreled a lot and disagreed on a lot of things : so me and the CEO have agreed that there are only women
that are sour for more than 1 hour :)
Yes - I know André Sloth Eriksen - Asetek CEO - from years back - I was one of the first (the first ? ) who reviewed slot VapoChill - and
therafter we have been reviewing the "rest"...and giving our yes and no's.
I have always been open and said that we get much information from Asetek ; and Asetek has always told me what was going on in their
end.
Simply as that - and we have spanked Asetek hard - very hard in things they didn't do 100% - and they listen.
As a reviewer I rejected and returned the first Prometeia model ; it didn't have sufficient insulation - (later models are suspicous too - I don't
want them.. I'm no millionaire....)
From there we were "banned" by nVENTIV / ChipCon - newerthless we were the ones that recommended our sponsor ( 3DfxCool.no ) to
start selling MachII - we have one thing in mind ; we want the best / hardest / safest products (not safe = sour readers) for our readers - if
our sponsors give a :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: we are known to import them ourselves and sell them with 0 margin. Then present the salesnumbers for "whoever"
might be interested - we did so with VapoChill and got out of business with 0 earnings.
We were ready to do the same with MachII - but would do that first after we have have told people about how to do adequate 24/7
insulation - nVENTIV have "adopted" some of Aseteks way regarding insulation ; but not enough - they need to adopt 100% - yes even
the very unpopular grease in the socket ! I say - cooperate and let the us overclockers do what we wanna do safe ! You are two danish
producers - what with a cooperation ? Or are Asetek gonna push their luck so far that even Steen Hansen is coming back in business - the one that sent JcViggen to Diskuter.no... jepp you are stretching you'r crediblity JcViggen.. very far - XS got a moderator that is employed by nVENTIV which were sent to our forum to brag of Prometeia ? Webmaster ?= time to do some cleaning here ? Credibility to have a person employed by a vendor ?
Asetek is earning their money in watercooling - phase ? probably close to nada ! So what with nVENTIV ? propably close to nada either....
well nVENTIV have done one thing for us - prices=down. Not bad for a couple of garagemechanics that uses a fridge producer to assemble their product (Elcold).
No I am not trying to "backwash" them - a big and very litte economic compressor did the trick - together with "false" temperatures and "false" powerconsumption ....
nVENTIV have stated that their values are incorrect - but still they don't give us correct values ? I belive some here know why - I belive I do.....
History ?
1:Kryotech was the first with phasecooling
2: Asetek developed their first system - in 1997 with a 230V /110V compressor
3: Asetek was the first with a phase system that allowed the user to change the CPU - in "ease"
4: We - OcShoot.no - were the first to "move" a compressor to another cabinet
5: A dutch guy shows his VapoLi at Cebit - way before nVENTIV/ CHIPCON was born
6: MAXXPERT was the first with a standalone compressor cabinet
7: I'm not gonna rip up in "EU controversy" - and why ChipCon changed name to nVENTIV...
If LianLi have accepted that Asetek uses their LianLi/phase conversion that first were exposed at CeBit way before nVENTIV "was here" - well so what ?
Have nice day - and remember the #1 rule to yer alll ; stop and think.... it's still allowed... ;)
looks like baker will be getting one tooQuote:
Originally posted by TheDude
Kylning.com carries the Vapo LS and the Waterchill on the same page.
BTW....I just read on the Vapo forum that asetek is sending Cathar a new LS Vapo because they borrowed and "improved" on his water block design.
I wonder what Dtek sent him?
according to a post by support2 asetek on there forum
Do I have to like you anyway :DQuote:
Originally posted by TheDude
Kylning.com carries the Vapo LS and the Waterchill on the same page.
BTW....I just read on the Vapo forum that asetek is sending Cathar a new LS Vapo because they borrowed and "improved" on his water block design.
I wonder what Dtek sent him?
We have tested alle "high end" watercooling blocks and our concern was that Cathar didn't get credit for his work.
Maybe you are not to bad TheDude :banana:
Later...
:D
BTW I was very sad to hear that OcShoot.com is no more as I can't understand the other site. :(
I have to say that to refer to nVENTIV as "a couple of garage mechanics" is very unfair. These are two of the most intelligent guys you will ever meet.
JC is very careful to always say who he is speaking for and even has it in his sig. He was a valuable staff member here long before he started at nVENTIV. He does not try to hide his employment....like I said it's in every post he makes.;)
Whatever happened to Kryotech? I don't hear much about them.
You'll find the informations about what happened to Kryotech here
Ok - regarding JC ( well JC ? ) - and the two guys that started ChipCon : if nothing else they HAVE been helping our "community" pricewise ;)Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
:D
BTW I was very sad to hear that OcShoot.com is no more as I can't understand the other site. :(
I have to say that to refer to nVENTIV as "a couple of garage mechanics" is very unfair. These are two of the most intelligent guys you will ever meet.
JC is very careful to always say who he is speaking for and even has it in his sig. He was a valuable staff member here long before he started at nVENTIV. He does not try to hide his employment....like I said it's in every post he makes.;)
They have done their job very well for "us" !
Some numbers ?
Yes LS will come according Asetek CEO André and Morten from Asetek - chew on it - like it - dislike it - whatever.. this is what I got so far ;
Numbers from the new VapoChill vs. MachII - ( from the Astek Inquirer test ) ;
135W
VapoChill -32.5 on the evaporator and -18.5 in the CPU-dummy
MACHII -15 on the evaporator and +4 in the CPU-dummy (Their software shows -30)
200W
VapoChill -30 on the evaporator and -13 in the CPU-dummy
MACHII -10.5 on the evaporator and +16 in the CPU-dummy (Their software shows -24)
I am not sure if I am allowed to publish these numbers - but I have told André Sloth Eriksen that I did publish them at our own forum earlier today and after that I have recieved a couple of mails from him.
No "no no" hehe ...
And yes I know about the "new Mach" rumours - and have som inside about that too.. but it is only loose numbers - the numbers from Asetek is truthworthy.
No you didn't "pump" me dude - these numbers have been available at Diskuter.no hours ago :D - yet again - only in Norwegian....
Sorry 'bout that..
Maybe you don't know their background as I do ....Quote:
I have to say that to refer to nVENTIV as "a couple of garage mechanics" is very unfair. These are two of the most intelligent guys you will ever meet.
Jeah its a small world - I happen to work for a Danish company which have sent me to a lot of courses in Svendborg - Denmark....
But there are no Einstein tech ? - big compressor does the trick... but they surely missed in giving us the right specs ? And still they dont have stated correct specs - just "estimates" - no wonder - a Danish fridge producer (Elcold) is assembling MachII....
In other words - they have no R'n D department - they had Steen Hansen ; now ? And they rent a office....
Yet - they have don a "good" job for our community - and stirred up Asetek ! The days of wonder is still not finished :D
OcShoot,
Thanks for the info., very interesting numbers. I will see if I get the same with the same loads on the MachII. Of course I have no way of testing the new Vapo LS and I doubt they would send me one because they don't seem to trust me to be truthful about the results.:shrug:
Ok friend - I edited my post so please F5 !Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
OcShoot,
Thanks for the info., very interesting numbers. I will see if I get the same with the same loads on the MachII. Of course I have no way of testing the new Vapo LS and I doubt they would send me one because they don't seem to trust me to be truthful about the results.:shrug:
CU :toast:
Ladies and Gentlemen....finally it is official
£440 exc VAT... landing it at the same price as the MkII Bundle Price for those buying in the UK.
Hmm......
"240W @ -25,5° C / 0W @ -48° C"
$829 USD
The Mach II is about 770€ with Enlight case, CPU kit and no LCD here in germany.
So the Vapo LS is in the same price region, 799€ for Vapo LS wich includes "Lian-Li look", the CPU-Kit but no Case.
For the prommy the Lian-Li kit costst about 130€ :rolleyes:
And I like that their CPU-Kit is compatible to K8 and P4!
I guess , Im getting something out of this...........
quote from the vapochill forums:
"Our new evaporator design is a hybrid between different ideas, and one of the designs we got inspired from was Bakers. We acknowledge that, and he will get a VapoChill LS for free at his doorstep. It's not a copy of his design, as we improved it, but we would like to credit him for his ideas."
My next generation cpu evap will handle 200 watts of heat. This evap will only be available if you buy one of my custom units. There are alot of stuff coming so stay tune.......
baker18
Consider me tuned d00d...!
It may come in cheaper than a Prommi/Lian-Li kit, but put the two side by side, and it looks cheaper than a Prommi/Lian-Li kit...
Does the asetek website work for you guys??
http://www.akiba-pc.com/asetek.gif
I don't think that it looks cheaper! And I'm sure that it's more stable because the Prommies Lian Li kit is only sticked to the original prommy housing.Quote:
It may come in cheaper than a Prommi/Lian-Li kit, but put the two side by side, and it looks cheaper than a Prommi/Lian-Li kit...
Unluckily the website does no correctly load with "real" browsers ;) until you set the browser identification to "Internet Explorer 6 blah". I have no Firebird / Firefox here but I had the same problem in my Konqueror and Mozilla (well ok, it's the firebirds engine ;) ) until I changed the browser identification.Quote:
Does the asetek website work for you guys??
I posted that issue (and some other users also did that after me) in the vapochill support forums and mailed Asetek 'bout that issue but they did not care about it.
EDIT:
The site always correctly loads on Internet Explorer.
Aseteks site works here.(using IE 6.0).
works here as well macci mate...
Do it. Do it! I was looking at captain cascades as were many others until he went big business. I like how you acknowledge that they dont cost enough to make to warrant these prices on prefab units. While custom work is always deserving of extra money we need a forum guru to do this that acknowledges a thousand bucks for a mach II and this vapo is absurd. We can OC some on air etc. so its hard to quantify when we would get that investment back through cheap cpus but definitely quite a while at 1 frigging k!Quote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
There are a few custom builders in these forums who can give you much more for much less. They have put their customers in the top ranks. Yet I see forum members still pissing away their money on vapos and prommies. That's why I haven't jumped into the custom build business.
If someone can perfect dual evap units... we probably will be saying Nventive who and vapo what? I'm sorry but I just dont see all these customs available for sale. I've only seen chilly1 openly look for work, and captain before he went company.
Do you really think that custom units would be cheaper?? Just imagine the time you need to build a phase change unit!
What are you basing that upon?Quote:
Originally posted by st0nedpenguin
It may come in cheaper than a Prommi/Lian-Li kit, but put the two side by side, and it looks cheaper than a Prommi/Lian-Li kit...
Has anyone actually seen this thing in the flesh?
I think Asetek-bashing when no one has even seen more than two pictures of this product is a little pointless myself.
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Absolutely true! Full ack!Quote:
I think Asetek-bashing when no one has even seen more than two pictures of this product is a little pointless myself.