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04-12-2011, 12:00 AM
loopy83

Quote:

Originally Posted by aristidis

I have heard a very strong crack and that was it, card never played again.:(

Sounds like the pot pops off the HS... this happens sometimes...
DCU have the same problem, ask stummerwinter :)
04-12-2011, 12:12 AM
slamms

matose i hope your frequencies for Lightning on hwbot is no best?
04-12-2011, 01:54 AM
Kabauterman

has anyone tested the difference between highest GPU Clock with Mem-OC and without Mem-OC ?
04-12-2011, 02:09 AM
slamms

i am not tested, but think that difference will be
04-12-2011, 02:19 AM
matose

Quote:

Originally Posted by aristidis

Vid of our card was 1.13v

Are you sure, because that VID is huge? :) We have 1.00v VID

Quote:

Originally Posted by slamms

matose i hope your frequencies for Lightning on hwbot is no best?

From your comment I understand you have 1450-1500MHz card :D. Unfortunately I don't have much headroom left...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabauterman

has anyone tested the difference between highest GPU Clock with Mem-OC and without Mem-OC ?

Yes, there is some difference but not big! It depend a lot of the temperature and voltage of the memories...

vPLL helped you guys? I didn't find any gain from high PLL...
04-12-2011, 02:23 AM
boblemagnifique

Quote:

Originally Posted by -cyclone-

our card's mem OC decreases much after GPU is totally maxed out. e.g. 1330 RAM -> 1220, though when GPU is not - RAM seems to be perfect.
Gained extra 30-50 MHz GPU and max stable RAM clocks after the mod.

Interessing :)

We have the same frequency RAM on air & ln2 = 1200Mhz :rofl::rofl::rofl:
04-12-2011, 02:25 AM
matose

Huh? I have 1300MHz on air and 1400MHz+ on LN2 :)
04-12-2011, 02:37 AM
Kabauterman

Quote:

Originally Posted by matose

Are you sure, because that VID is huge? :) We have 1.00v VID

From your comment I understand you have 1450-1500MHz card :D. Unfortunately I don't have much headroom left...

Yes, there is some difference but not big! It depend a lot of the temperature and voltage of the memories...

vPLL helped you guys? I didn't find any gain from high PLL...

PLL doesn't change anything. Crazy to see DCU running best on 1.3V and Lightning on Stock 1.1V or something.
04-12-2011, 02:40 AM
boblemagnifique

Quote:

Originally Posted by matose

Huh? I have 1300MHz on air and 1400MHz+ on LN2 :)

we have test other 1pc o of "Sample Press" -> 1170Mhz RAM on Air .... ahahahah

As often , Good Ram or not ... (if MSI can test before just the frequency ram max on air, it's more fair ...) after it's different for the GPU of course ...

Same for the Final French -> our HD6870 have 1250MHz RAM but the others teams 1150/1170MHz max ....

it's a life , many chance or not .... and i waiting to see the bclk max for the different 2600K with the multi 50x :rofl:
04-12-2011, 02:47 AM
matose

I had some 103-104MHz samples as well as 106-107MHz samples, so this is anything but fair not. The best tweak is frequency, so luck rulz everything in SPI32M :D
04-12-2011, 02:50 AM
ME4ME

103x50 or 107x50, its 200mhz of a difference.

much better than "full out" and having 500mhz of a difference between chips.
I say it was a good call of MSI :)
04-12-2011, 03:03 AM
matose

200MHz in SPI32m can make the difference between first place and last place :). Don't you think so?
04-12-2011, 03:07 AM
Kabauterman

I promise there will be some chips with a Clock wall arround 5200 to 5300 MHz

60% of the Sandy :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:es we tested had this issue
04-12-2011, 03:13 AM
matose

We had a couple of ES's from Intel (which we will get in Istanbul) and all of them were over 5400MHz (some with 2 cores but still that's ok)
04-12-2011, 03:15 AM
Alex-Ro

Why are you guys complaining even though the competition hasn't started yet? :D
04-12-2011, 03:23 AM
Kabauterman

nothin better to do bro :D
04-12-2011, 03:40 AM
loopy83

Are there 1 or 2 CPUs per team?
With 2 CPUs the game is a bit more fair...

A good GPU is not enough. When you have a CPU maxed out at 5200MHz in 03, GPU over 1400-1450 is senseless.
04-12-2011, 03:42 AM
ME4ME

Quote:

Originally Posted by matose

200MHz in SPI32m can make the difference between first place and last place :). Don't you think so?

Which place isnt important, since the competition system isn't based on places but on actual performance :)

So in worst case .. your 200mhz behind of the top. Thats what? .. 15sec? With good tweaking you may be able to reduce the gap to 10sec. In procentual performance, thats not very much, and with a good VGA card you'll be more than able to make up for it in the 3D part of the contest :yepp:
04-12-2011, 03:45 AM
boblemagnifique

i have a friend have a good 2600K on Bclk -> 109.8Mhz on air but the max frequency is 5.2GHz :rofl:

It would have been fairer to limit the frequency, for example has 5000MHz and not multi 50x for the Spi 32M (as in Tweaking GBT) -> to have a little difference (the memory frequency / timing and tweak OS).

But it's the rules !! Fingers crossed for a chance with us :D
04-12-2011, 03:50 AM
massman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabauterman

I promise there will be some chips with a Clock wall arround 5200 to 5300 MHz

60% of the Sandy :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:es we tested had this issue

Tested 50 chips of same batch:

~ 8% chance of < 5000 (bad)
~ 10% chance of > 5600 (good)

+50% chance of in between 5200-5400 MHz (average)

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6347/sanstitrefp.png
04-12-2011, 03:58 AM
matose

Quote:

Originally Posted by loopy83

A good GPU is not enough. When you have a CPU maxed out at 5200MHz in 03, GPU over 1400-1450 is senseless.

1450MHz GPU in 2003 is a good Lightning card from what I saw discussing with different MOA competitors. GT4 will scale over 1450MHz even at 5200MHz CPU
04-12-2011, 04:20 AM
Kabauterman

Quote:

Originally Posted by matose

1450MHz GPU in 2003 is a good Lightning card from what I saw discussing with different MOA competitors. GT4 will scale over 1450MHz even at 5200MHz CPU

It's far far away from Scaling with 5200 MHz on the CPU.
the Gain with every 50 MHz of the GPU get lower and lower but lets discuss after the competion.

A lot of stuff to talk about at the Evening dinner *jummy* :D
04-12-2011, 05:23 AM
Vivi

elmor has won almost every competition, if he finds a way to win every time i think the hardware scaling is fair enough :P.

we don't want a low clock live competition.

Then should be called MSI master tweaking arena
04-12-2011, 07:13 AM
aristidis

Quote:

Are you sure, because that VID is huge? We have 1.00v VID

Yes it was 1.13V..Vid 1.00V is the best you can find but it;s not always important. Maybe a card with higher vid do better at cold. Who knows:)
04-12-2011, 08:04 AM
pastelidis

Quote:

Originally Posted by ME4ME

Which place isnt important, since the competition system isn't based on places but on actual performance :)

So in worst case .. your 200mhz behind of the top. Thats what? .. 15sec? With good tweaking you may be able to reduce the gap to 10sec. In procentual performance, thats not very much, and with a good VGA card you'll be more than able to make up for it in the 3D part of the contest :yepp:

Quote:

Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

i have a friend have a good 2600K on Bclk -> 109.8Mhz on air but the max frequency is 5.2GHz :rofl:

It would have been fairer to limit the frequency, for example has 5000MHz and not multi 50x for the Spi 32M (as in Tweaking GBT) -> to have a little difference (the memory frequency / timing and tweak OS).

But it's the rules !! Fingers crossed for a chance with us :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

we have test other 1pc o of "Sample Press" -> 1170Mhz RAM on Air .... ahahahah

As often , Good Ram or not ... (if MSI can test before just the frequency ram max on air, it's more fair ...) after it's different for the GPU of course ...

Same for the Final French -> our HD6870 have 1250MHz RAM but the others teams 1150/1170MHz max ....

it's a life , many chance or not .... and i waiting to see the bclk max for the different 2600K with the multi 50x :rofl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabauterman

PLL doesn't change anything. Crazy to see DCU running best on 1.3V and Lightning on Stock 1.1V or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ME4ME

103x50 or 107x50, its 200mhz of a difference.

much better than "full out" and having 500mhz of a difference between chips.
I say it was a good call of MSI :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by matose

200MHz in SPI32m can make the difference between first place and last place :). Don't you think so?

Guys dont forget we will have 2 cpus for one team

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