huum, don't forget 460 and 470 prices have been extremely reduced after summer, Im not sure it's a good idea to base 560 MSRP on actual 460 MSRP ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
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huum, don't forget 460 and 470 prices have been extremely reduced after summer, Im not sure it's a good idea to base 560 MSRP on actual 460 MSRP ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
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Originally Posted by Lanek
GTX460 has 336 shaders, GTX560 has 384... This thing is going to be quite a bit faster than the EVGA GTX460, not just a few percent different. Most people actually expected this part to be the new GTX 475 before NVidia jumped to the GTX5xx series.
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Originally Posted by Lanek
The GTX 460 original MSRP upon release for the 1gb part was $229. I don't think it's too crazy to expect to see this one at a similar starting point.
Garbage drivers or how come? Thats whats keeping me away I've owned more ATI cards than Nvidia but I just get flashes through my mind of those horrible drivers again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jodiuh
How do you guys think the 560 will be in terms of heat/power usage cause the 460 is pretty slick.
Faster then a 460 but not faster then a 470.. Wonder how well this product will sell :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
A GTX 460 at those clocks speeds without the extra shaders matches a GTX 470 without much issue...Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
The CCC's much improved. It's very easy to navigate and has the ability to "pin" your most used panels. But I find actual performance to be the same as an OCed 460 in BC2. Heat output's a wash between the two...maybe ever so slightly in 6870's favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Alien Swarm's wall textures look furry, enabling supersampling destroy's framerate and introduces a stutter. In BC2, I'm noticing a lot more line breakup on telephone wires or ladders. In addition, there's flicker in both of these games on various items.
This inconsistency from game to game's what drives me nuts. I'll hang onto it til 560 releases and grab one of those.
Very well if it's priced @ $199 and doesn't try to exploder my power supply like 470. :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Well when you clock the 470 it pushes it in front, lets just hope this does OC as good as the 460 does..Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
1100Mhz on stock volts please.
EDIT: Also, full length heatsink w/ dual fans for reference cards.
Considering the clocks people pull on the GTX580 and GTX570 are pretty much around what the GTX460 was pulling, I'd probably think it was a sick joke if this thing doesn't hit at LEAST 950mhz pretty much 90% of the time, with better samples going over 1ghz on air with a slight voltage bump. The GTX580 in general clocks higher on air than a lot of GTX480's did on water and that's with 512 shaders in comparison to 480... If the GTX580 does 950 without much issue, I'd expect good things from the 560.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
A few aspects to keep in mind...
1.) If this uses the new transistors found in the GTX580, we should see lower power draw.
2.) Much like above, the slight tweaks gives extra performance clock for clock. Not a lot, but it's notable.
3.) The tweaks also lead to less leakage, which generally allows for higher overclocking. We've seen this with great results in the GTX 580.
I really don't think 1ghz would be that shocking, GREAT 460's can do that on air. There's no way the GTX470 will beat this thing overclocked or stock.
Geforce GTX 560 Ti 2048MB 256BIT GDDR5
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-155922-1-1.html
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I thought GTX460 performance tweaks were added in the 480>580 transition. The other tweaks were mainly for reducing power consumption which you mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
I wasnt aware of other tweaks in the 5xx series :shrug:
Now that's gonna be an interesting card.Quote:
Originally Posted by SArd
Wonder how good SLI scaling is gonna be...
Just enough SLI-scaling to beat the upcoming 6990?Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
But anyways, 2GB sounds like a really good move. It will be interesting to see benches.
Highly unlikely, CFX scaling is better, and 6970 is faster than GTX560.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I doubt CFX-scaling is better, but anyways, you ain't seen SLI-scaling on 2GB yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
You may still be right tho, because 2 x 560 vs 6990 would be a difficult task for nVidia, but maybe this 2GB is just meant to overcome it? It will be interesting to see some benching on 2 x 560-2GB vs 6990.
EDIT: Why 2GB on a midrange card?, This is aiming to SLI-scaling for sure, but the question is: get better to beat what? It can't be meant to beat nVidia's own cards, or 6970 either. This is either aiming/trying to beat CFX of upcoming 69xx-1GBs, or to beat 6990. We have to wait and see which one, tho.
2GB doesn't help scaling unless the game runs out of memory with 1GB. Of course nothing's preventing Nvidia to improve SLI scaling with their drivers like AMD did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I don't see much reason for buying a 2GB version of GTX 560 unless going crossfire and triple monitor. Probably the only reason they make a 2 GB version is because 6950 has one. :ROTF: It does look a bit bad that the lower end card has 2GB whereas 570 and 580 have less.
But in the end it's good that there's a card for everyone. Let's just hope GTX 560 will bring in some more competition and lower prices. :up:
We could discuss who needs CFX or SLI, but it would be a reparation. Lets agree, with 580 out there, you won't need SLI on a single monitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
EDIT(Some may still go for 2 x 6970/50-1GB if they get a better performance with less price than 580.
Rumors about low Price on 6970/50-1GB may appeal to some to go CFX, and this 2 x 560-2GB seams to be an attempt to prevent that, in my opinion. In case it will be really cheap, and I've already tipped $199 for 560, but it will depend directly on final AMD-1GB-prices)
nVidia seams to be countering AMD's upcoming CFX-move with this 2GB. Appealing to same audience, those who would either go for 2 x 69xx-1GB or 6990, as said before.
nVidia has been trying to improve SLI-scaling with driver/SW too, but a HW-boost would come on top of that, for sure. We ain't seen SLI-scaling on 2GB Fermi yet, so it's premature to suggest it's useless.
EDIT, some edit inside the (...) in the middle.
There is no need to doubt, since the release of 6800 cards CFX is superior to SLI. Definitely for 2-Way, mostly for 3-Way. It's not even a 10% difference in most cases, but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Let's disagree. Yes, one will need SLI for a single 30 inch display. Unless you want to turn settings down for demanding games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
I see you want to get into details :). I like that, but I thought we could save some time by cutting the crap:). There IS a doubt when you ain't seen SLI-scaling on 2GB-Fermi. How do you know they won't scale better? Please be as detailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
You are right about 30", but lets agree, the typical gamer doesn't sit on a 30". Mostly have 24", and those who wish more, sitting mostly on multi-monitors (these are prime candidate for CFX and SLI).
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My point was, and still is, nVidia seams to be aiming to the same audience who would go for CFX (2 x 6970/50-1GB or 6990) with this 560-2GB SLI. We could always argue who exactly that audience is, and it may vary depending on how you look at it, but it doesn't matter in this discussion.
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http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles...0%20OC/P1.html
SLI scaling on 2gb cards is pretty darn good. 2gb on the GTX460 definitely made a good difference in SLi, so I'd imagine on even faster cards it'll make an even bigger one.
Where did you get that from, there is no direct comaprision to 1GB cards in SLI? And 1GB versions scaled "pretty darn good" too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
You guys make it sound like 2GB magically enables superscaling for nVidia, how come? :confused:
I'd also like to point out, that the extra GB isn't free and the price is going to be at least 30$ higher. What's the current estiamte for price of the 1GB version?
At 1920x1080 and up 2gb makes a difference. Same reason why the GTX480 sometimes beats the GTX570: memory limitations. It WILL lower scaling percentages if you hit the point that you're memory limited, so that 2gb raises the ceiling at which this occurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
The price difference between the 1gb and 2gb GTX460 is like $10 to $20.
Yes, that's obvious. What is less obvious, how would that influence SLi scaling. Because any benefits of increased frame buffers will already show up in single card mode.
10-20$, really? Wow, we are being ripped off in my country! :eek: I won't even mention how much the 5870 2GB version cost here... around GTX480 levels... the sellers must think moar ram = better card. :(
The difference between the two in most titles is between 2 and 5 fps at GTX 460 stock speeds in sli. On a faster card the difference should become a bit more pronounced, but as you pointed out earlier the GTX 460 already scales amazingly well in the first place. :up: 2gb just keeps that scaling percentage at ultra high resolutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
Also, running dual cards is more likely to hit the ceiling where 2gb comes in handy because it has the horse power to hit those ceilings vs 1 card that may not be fast enough to reach that point.
Wow Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti SOC comes with 1GHz GPU 4580MHz Memory clocks.. Rated TDP is 203W
Standard GTX 560 Ti OC @900MHz Gpu 400MHz Memory.. all packs with 1GB memory.. SOC is 3% faster than GTX 570..
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