Nvidia GTX 580 Reviews

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11-10-2010, 11:50 PM
kuroikenshi

maybe I should run the benchmark to confirm such fact... 2.8 fps looks like a too low number
11-10-2010, 11:52 PM
railer

Something does not add up on this slide. 5870 CF getting less FPS then single card? Driver bug perhaps?
11-10-2010, 11:55 PM
kuroikenshi

I am busy now, but I will attempt to have a benchie done by tomorrow morning on 5970 under several resolutions, heaps of those numbers look odd
11-11-2010, 12:16 AM
ajaidev

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdan

Sparkle GTX 580 at 509$ and with the promo code 10%(it has too) it cost's 459$.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814187125
460$ sounds much better...:)

Its $590 now with 10% off thats $531 :(

Radeon HD 5970 is $500 with mail in its $470
11-11-2010, 12:56 AM
xdan

Sounds like newegg is vey greedy. Shame on them...
11-11-2010, 01:07 AM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by highoctane

If a game is good its enjoyable to me just the same without high shadows or uber reflections whether I'm playing a multiplayer games online or a single player game.

Having shadows on etc is the different in most cases of being killed by the guy behind you or killing him. I like to play with max details for this reason and like I said if I wanted anything less I would play games on a console. To get the full experience of any game at 2560x1600 you need a dual gpu configuration and anything less is unacceptable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgtiger

My apologies if I have missed it, but has the "Evga GTX 580 FTW Hydro Copper" been reviewed yet?
I have read it's not yet released.

No it has not been reviewed yet. Most review sites are too chicken to touch water-cooled cards. It does look attractive at 850 clock at 1700 shader.

You can buy it off evga's site though

http://www.evga.com/products/prodlist.asp
11-11-2010, 01:20 AM
onethreehill

ASUS GTX 580 SLI Review
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/g...usive_review/1
11-11-2010, 03:04 AM
Your_Boss

Is Hardwareheaven.com credible?

At the bottom of the page they post videos of the card's fans noise.

The GTX580 and GTX580 SLI videos are EXACTLY the same. :confused:

Load both of them up first, then try and start them at almost exactly the same time(i did very close:D) You will see they are the exact same video. Someone ought to tell them they made a booboo.

I've read the language of the article and it does have that alluring NV bias to it.

Hope they fix those vids before someone cries foul. ;)
11-11-2010, 03:30 AM
Lanek

I don't know if they can be trust, the only problem i have see was for F1, they was not able to run in CFX .... but here my result with CFX in F1 2010 with 10.10a+ CAP ( old bench screenshot, without 10.10c and new cap ) ... all maxed in game settings: 16xAF + 8xMSAA - DX11 ultra settings .... 1920x1080
They call that a driver problem ? they don't even know how to set it, or they have not use last drivers ... (I7@4ghz+ anyway)

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6/f12010bench.png
11-11-2010, 03:37 AM
Nikolasz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Your_Boss

Is Hardwareheaven.com credible?

At the bottom of the page they post videos of the card's fans noise.

The GTX580 and GTX580 SLI videos are EXACTLY the same. :confused:

Load both of them up first, then try and start them at almost exactly the same time(i did very close:D) You will see they are the exact same video. Someone ought to tell them they made a booboo.

I've read the language of the article and it does have that alluring NV bias to it.
Hope they fix those vids before someone cries foul. ;)

:shakes:

I know is too soon to call winners (ati vs nvad) allrdy.
Ofc. WE need to wait some weeks to be released new drivers :)
11-11-2010, 03:55 AM
Nikolasz

Quote:

Originally Posted by E30M3

6870 is very slow card compared to 580
so 2x580 will suffer from lack of cpu power.
but despite this 580 SLI is doing it very well:clap::clap:

But what happens to AMD here??
it is quite unplayable on AMD Hardware:confused::confused:

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...E30M/33815.png[/IMG]

It is posible some one get burned by oc :shakes: :rofl:
If you see unreal performance drops, lags and weard behavior of your pc. It may be overclocked too hie.
Anyway i call that overclock data loss. It reparing data with more cycles then usial. Maybe pci-e voltages rise will help maybe gpu voltages,maybe graphic memory :shrug:

Off topic:
I know you ppl you havent play real game that slelge hammers fpu math coprosessor 100% and slight oc it makes crash of game.(is not abaut that game is bad written)

Anyways i wrote this: Tips for quality gaming + Networks And Windows Tips
for vets(old players)in game > Thats makes me master too not just admin :D :p:

http://www.bz2maps.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1597
11-11-2010, 06:05 AM
Stevethegreat

Does a 15% performance update justifies upping the generation's number by a single digit

Either the evolution of GPU performance has *really* slowed lately, or we're dealing with fraud here (not a first for nVidia, I'm sure).
How come they can get away with it? Computer Hardware is a multi-billion industry, such tricks can make great difference (the card's real name is GTX 485)
11-11-2010, 06:21 AM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

Its $590 now with 10% off thats $531 :(

..

Are pricing on GTX580 going up already?
In case, can it have something to do with AMD backing out by delaying the 6990 to next year?
11-11-2010, 06:29 AM
AKM

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

In case, can it have something to do with AMD backing out by delaying the 6990 to next year?

What? Radeon 6970 will fight the 580. Antilles is in another league.
11-11-2010, 06:38 AM
WaterFlex

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Originally Posted by AKM

What? Radeon 6970 will fight the 580. Antilles is in another league.

Hope so.
11-11-2010, 06:51 AM
bamtan2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stevethegreat

Does a 15% performance update justifies upping the generation's number by a single digit

Either the evolution of GPU performance has *really* slowed lately, or we're dealing with fraud here (not a first for nVidia, I'm sure).
How come they can get away with it? Computer Hardware is a multi-billion industry, such tricks can make great difference (the card's real name is GTX 485)

unfortunately or fortunately, it is hard to find laws to persecute a company with bad product names

I think the 580 name is a stretch by convention, but not illegal or angry bad
11-11-2010, 07:49 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Periander6

Who is everybody? Charlie? Let's see what we have atm.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...iption=gtx+580

Nine models, all in stock at newegg.

http://ncix.com/search/?categoryid=0&q=gtx+580

Eight models, 5 in stock at ncix. This is anything but the paper launch/no cards till 2011 charlie claimed.

my bad, i stand corrected!
but no, he wasnt the only one that said availability will suck... several others have mentioned that theres supposedly a small batch of cards for launch and thats it... supply after that will be bad or non-existant.

in the end, who cares though, cards ARE available right now, your right... and thats what matters... whoever wants one can get it. thats good news, and really well done by nvidia, gotta give them that :toast:

i didnt expect this... they really did a 180 after their fermi pre-pre-pre launch bs and delays...

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

lopping off 200M transistors is probably a lot simpler than what they actually did to fermi. maybe they found a way to do the same thing with less logic? i dont really know and there is very little information available that can offer insight into that subject.furthermore, the number of gates is not a good measurement of area because speed affects transistor size. if fermi were designed for half of the original clockspeed it could be half the size and an even smaller fraction of the power. there are so many other things i could list that they might have changed but they would only go unanswered.

i have a hunch that the power circuit was improved. the ammeter and current limiter allows them to use a more efficient power circuit because peak current will be much lower. intel did something similar with montecito. it has 64 clockspeeds which saved them a lot of power when performance wasnt needed.
with leakage it does not matter if the transistors are being used or not. the power is still being consumed. dynamic power involves switching which is affected by activity. i would bet that the majority of g100 and gf110's power consumption comes from leakage, and more so than other chips.

thx! :toast:
maybe gf100 had dividers in place to adjust the clocks of individual segments of the chip? and before gf100 launched they had already figured out which ratios work best and in gf110 they cemented the ratios and could remove buffers and dividers?

and maybe the reworked power planes allowed them to move things around a bit, avoiding hotspots which in turn allowed them to pack transistors more tightly?

too bad we will never know... this is the kind of stuff id love to know, and its a shame that by the time its not sensitive information anymore, its just forgotten instead of made public... would be such a nice read...

Quote:

Originally Posted by totalz

Somebody did.

http://nvision.pl/GeForce-GTX-580-GF...etails-18.html

sweet, thx! :toast:

too bad they didnt run more tests... too bad theres no way to limit a 580 to 480sps, looks like we will have to wait for a 570 for that... clock for clock a 580 is around 8% faster than a 480? and it has more sps which would result in a 6-8% boost, so... it looks like there is close to 0 ipc boost?
the boost seems to be sps and clocks only, right?

hmmm but that wouldnt explain the bittech numbers... they see huge gains at 2560x1600 of the 580 over the 480...
how can a 10% clock boost and 7% more sps result in some cases in a performance boost of more than double those theoretical gains combined?

so either gf110 is tweaked for 2560x1600 and/or aa, or maybe bittech used older 480 numbers of an older driver and compared it to a 580 with the latest driver? but i cant imagine them doing that...

hmmm
11-11-2010, 07:53 AM
trinibwoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

Its $590 now with 10% off thats $531 :(

There are 9 other cards in stock including a Gigabyte for $499. Maybe the $509 was a typo and they changed it to $590 to recover the lost revenue :ROTF:
11-11-2010, 09:02 AM
BrowncoatGR

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

my bad, i stand corrected!
but no, he wasnt the only one that said availability will suck... several others have mentioned that theres supposedly a small batch of cards for launch and thats it... supply after that will be bad or non-existant.

in the end, who cares though, cards ARE available right now, your right... and thats what matters... whoever wants one can get it. thats good news, and really well done by nvidia, gotta give them that :toast:

i didnt expect this... they really did a 180 after their fermi pre-pre-pre launch bs and delays...

Well there's zero cards available here in Greece. I don't think that simply checking Newegg tells the whole story. We'll know one way or another in a week or 2 whether there will be availability issues or not.
11-11-2010, 09:13 AM
ElSel10

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

unfortunately or fortunately, it is hard to find laws to persecute a company with bad product names

I think the 580 name is a stretch by convention, but not illegal or angry bad

Did Nvidia really have any choice when AMD is releasing HD6000? It isn't all that different than HD5000 either. And if the GTX580 is as fast or faster than the 6970, what does it really matter?
11-11-2010, 09:32 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElSel10

Did Nvidia really have any choice when AMD is releasing HD6000? It isn't all that different than HD5000 either. And if the GTX580 is as fast or faster than the 6970, what does it really matter?

Product naming is pure marketing and both companies are doing what every one else would do (this time that is).
Both HD68xx and GTX580 have new bits introduced to them. Just to name few:
GTX580 - better culling, full speed FP16, other minor tweaks.
HD68xx - new UVD, improved display output capabilities, improved tesselation performance, other minor tweaks.
Is that enough for new generation moniker? I think it is, at least in current realities of I.T.
11-11-2010, 09:40 AM
Manicdan

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElSel10

Did Nvidia really have any choice when AMD is releasing HD6000? It isn't all that different than HD5000 either. And if the GTX580 is as fast or faster than the 6970, what does it really matter?

if we had a poll, i think we would see a majority choose 485 over 580

however since there is nothing really wrong with picking a new number, ofcoarse marketing would suggest they go with a new number to remove any implications with old issues (lack of cores, high tdp)
11-11-2010, 10:09 AM
trinibwoy

If they named it 485 what would they name all the other incoming GF11x parts?
11-11-2010, 10:11 AM
Manicdan

so theres plans for more than just a 570 in the upcoming months till 28nm?
when is a 560 coming?
11-11-2010, 10:13 AM
Sly Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

If they named it 485 what would they name all the other incoming GF11x parts?

475?

465X?

I mean, I'm not saying it matters that much (the renaming), but there are other solutions.

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