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11-10-2009, 10:16 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by Mechromancer

Informal is well informed as usual. If you want info on AMD, join AMDZone. John Fruehe himself keeps us informed. AMD is having their annual Financial Analyst Day tomorrow and they will be officially revealing a little about Bulldozer. JF says a little about it here and linked to it in his post. DON'T MISS IT!

Webcast: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....rol-analystday

Thanks for sharing the news link ,a very good thread!:yepp:

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Originally Posted by terrace215

In that AMDzone thread Fruehe confirms that Bulldozer is not happening in 2010, but rather, in 2011.

When was Bulldozer officially on the 2010 roadmap?:confused:
It has been 2011,there is a slide from last year that has clearly stated " bulldozer goes to 2011" or similar to that effect.
On the other hand,Llano cpu/gpu hybrid based on 10h cores and rv8xx is supposedly scheduled for Q4 2010,so BD cores won't be the first 32nm products(which goes hand in hand with AMD avoiding to do new design on new process node ).
11-10-2009, 11:59 PM
gallag

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechromancer

Informal is well informed as usual. If you want info on AMD, join AMDZone.

LOL, yes join AMDzone and listen to all those level headed guys tell you how AMD is actually the best in every metric and it is reviewers being paid off and software optimisations that make Intel look good. They are crazy, Its like a cult ffs :rofl:
11-11-2009, 01:41 AM
zalbard

[FUD] Bulldozer supports DDR3 1866 and has 8MB of L3 cache
A little bit more info.
Also supports APM boost, possibly similar to Turbo Boost. On the other hand, it might not be as important since Black Editions are pretty cheap anyway.
11-11-2009, 04:59 AM
Sn0wm@n

bulldozer on am3+ this doesnt make sense.. but since its fudzilla ill take it lightly
11-11-2009, 05:24 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

bulldozer on am3+ this doesnt make sense..

Why? :confused:
11-11-2009, 05:45 AM
Sn0wm@n

http://blogs.amd.com/work/tag/magny-cours/

i doubt that if the server is adopting a new socket for the 12 cores etc... that the 8 cores non mcm chip will get to keep am3+ but i could be wrong

c32/g34

btw dresdenboy what you have done on the patent research is amazing!
11-11-2009, 06:58 AM
haylui

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Originally Posted by rintamarotta

Come on drop the x86 arch allready and make something new :D, jk jk.

Well i hope this will be the beast that makes Intel kneel down :)

ARM, MIPS, CUDA, PowerPC, VLIW architecture, etc etc etc
those are the famous example of alternative architecture available and alive for software developer to adapt but so far, not much effort has been spent
11-11-2009, 07:07 AM
haylui

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Originally Posted by Oliverda

Why? :confused:

maybe DDR4 would be introduced that time. So, til then new socket to cater new RAM type and build in GPU altogether (even DDR4 never comes out and we are stuck at DDR3)

DDR4 rumoured to launch in 2012

source: http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-61...r-in-2012.html
11-11-2009, 08:15 AM
terrace215

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Originally Posted by informal

When was Bulldozer officially on the 2010 roadmap?:confused:

Before it slipped to 2011?

AMD financial day starts in ~20min. Let's see if they officially push it back to H2 2011 today, or whether they decide to wait until next year to push it back.
11-11-2009, 08:48 AM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by zalbard

[FUD] Bulldozer supports DDR3 1866 and has 8MB of L3 cache
A little bit more info.
Also supports APM boost, possibly similar to Turbo Boost. On the other hand, it might not be as important since Black Editions are pretty cheap anyway.

Perhaps Black Edition will be expensive if Bulldozer performs as it should ;) :p:
11-11-2009, 09:05 AM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by haylui

maybe DDR4 would be introduced that time. So, til then new socket to cater new RAM type and build in GPU altogether (even DDR4 never comes out and we are stuck at DDR3)

DDR4 rumoured to launch in 2012

source: http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-61...r-in-2012.html

doubt that we will see an amd ddr4 board on ddr4 launch... amd will probably wait till ddr4 has matured a bit

like they did with ddr3 and not sure about ddr2 on how it happened since i just got introduced to oc'ing
11-11-2009, 09:12 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

doubt that we will see an amd ddr4 board on ddr4 launch... amd will probably wait till ddr4 has matured a bit

like they did with ddr3 and not sure about ddr2 on how it happened since i just got introduced to oc'ing

i dont know how hard it would be for them to make a quick ddr4 memory controller and chipset.

even if the performance is very little. people who are extreme will happily pay 200$ more for a cpu that supports ddr4, just so they can say they have it. "AMD extreme edition". 5% stronger, 50% more expensive.
11-11-2009, 10:00 AM
rcofell

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Originally Posted by terrace215

AMD financial day starts in ~20min. Let's see if they officially push it back to H2 2011 today, or whether they decide to wait until next year to push it back.

Well, Bergman simply stated 2011, nothing about which half... but he made the strong point of sampling in H1 2010, so the preparatory ramp-up can follow in 2H 2010.
11-11-2009, 10:18 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by rcofell

Well, Bergman simply stated 2011, nothing about which half... but he made the strong point of sampling in H1 2010, so the preparatory ramp-up can follow in 2H 2010.

just to illustrate:

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/8...tdayrickbe.jpg
11-11-2009, 10:31 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrace215

Before it slipped to 2011?

AMD financial day starts in ~20min. Let's see if they officially push it back to H2 2011 today, or whether they decide to wait until next year to push it back.

It's always better(in today economic/financial situation) to under-promise and over-deliver than do the opposite. AMD's roadmap execution has been stellar since Shanghai and nothing "slipped" or was pushed back as you like to say,even Istanbul was pulled in and so it is G34/Magny Cours,new Istanbul fiorrano platform,new GPUs.
11-11-2009, 10:37 AM
Nedjo

latest GloFo's roadmap from whom is easy to pinpoint sample timeframe of Ll(el)iano:

http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/814/01.jpg

source: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=814
11-11-2009, 10:59 AM
informal

Just in from web cast:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1289/29226078.png/

Bulldozer won't have classic "core" but something AMD calls modules !
Bobcat is alive:cool:,sub 1W operation,super low power but has 90% of mainstream performance of today's mainstream CPUs! Fully modular and ready for APU implementation, has OoO abilities,2-way execution,very high performance and IMO looks like one BD "module" :D

Now on to BD: confirmed CMT design! More in a minute!
In : Int units are shared(2x2way execution),1 256b wide FPU.My God,DDboy hit the nail on the head,he is 99% correct in his speculation.

more: highly advance clock gating,shutting down individual modules for best perf./watt ratio,Turbo like APM functionality.
AMD states all of this is going to be a game changer.
11-11-2009, 11:00 AM
Smartidiot89

http://www-waa-akam.thomson-webcast....2?200910111857
11-11-2009, 11:01 AM
rcofell

Page 16 for the block diagram in the PDF :)
11-11-2009, 11:02 AM
Nedjo

Guys! I suggest that mods create dedicated "AMD Analyst day 2009" thread and move all of the latest post from here to this new thread? What do you say?
11-11-2009, 11:06 AM
informal

Bobcat core(more precise word:module) diagram:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7150/38246444.png

edit: Smartidiot beat me to it,so i will put Bobcat diagram instead of BD one :D.
11-11-2009, 11:12 AM
FlanK3r

i watch at it, its good !
11-11-2009, 11:22 AM
w0mbat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nedjo

Guys! I suggest that mods create dedicated "AMD Analyst day 2009" thread and move all of the latest post from here to this new thread? What do you say?

http://geekadelphia.com/wp-content/u...07/12/ccat.jpg
11-11-2009, 11:31 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by w0mbat

http://geekadelphia.com/wp-content/u...07/12/ccat.jpg

:D

thanks!

due to urgency of being on time before all threads go on flame I've created this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=238702

come and give us yours 2 cents ;)
11-11-2009, 12:50 PM
FlanK3r

now im waiting at server and clients platforms :)

yes, its here clients platform presentation

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