FYI - Batman demo to download with PhysX...

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08-15-2009, 05:12 AM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by Talonman

Thanks John, I do appreciate the feedback, and glad that performance could be tested, and that you also ran faster...

I could ony stay up 2 hours last night, due to me having to work today. Rest assured I will give that 360 controller a try out in this game. I was more just into a quick and dirty test to see if I noticed any change after the PhysX install.

Keep up the fine job. :up:

No problem :)
Did you try some of the ini tweaks I posted above?
(Multithreading and Direct3d10 path?)

IMHO this game does not use "proper" FSAA, just take a look at the prison bars in the first scene.

You got a good PC, just a shame that nVidia did not give the GTX295 a bit more VRAM!
08-15-2009, 05:23 AM
Talonman

I will give some of ini tweaks you posted a try tonight after 7pm when i get home. Is there a way to force FSAA in this game?
08-15-2009, 05:26 AM
JohnZS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonman

I will give some of ini tweaks you posted a try tonight after 7pm when i get home. Is there a way to force FSAA in this game?

In the ini you can alter the multisample level, however I am not sure whether this will force "real" FSAA or just use the pseudo FSAA that this game currently uses. You might want to rename the exe to bioshock.exe as that used a similar engine (Unreal 3 based)
John
08-15-2009, 07:00 AM
Pontos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonman

I will give some of ini tweaks you posted a try tonight after 7pm when i get home. Is there a way to force FSAA in this game?

For NVidia cards just enable it through the game's options or the ini file.

For ATI cards you will need to change the game exe to something like UT3.exe and then force AA through the Catalyst Control Panel.
Editing the AA options in the ini has no effect with ATI cards as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

Talonman
Pontos
Have you also enabled the multithreading in the ini file too?

Yes, i did, but the name of the entry doesn't seem to refer to actual multithreading for gameplay...
08-15-2009, 07:32 AM
Talonman

OK, trying to get it straight what a Nvidia user might try...

John posted: Check the UserEngine.ini located in your My Documents\Eidios\Batman Arkham Asylum Demo\BMgame\config
You should see the following:

[Engine.Engine] PhysXLevel=1 Language=int
[DevOptions.Shaders] bAllowMultiThreadedShaderCompile=True

These are the settings I have in my UserEngine.ini

[Configuration]
BasedOn=..\BmGame\Config\DefaultEngine.ini
[SystemSettings]
Fullscreen=True UseVsync=True
AllowD3D10=True
ResX=1920 ResY=1200
EffectsLevel=3
MaxMultisamples=4
DynamicLights=True
DepthOfField=True
LensFlares=True
Bloom=True
DynamicShadows=True
MotionBlur=True
Distortion=True
FogVolumes=True
DisableSphericalHarmonicLights=False
AmbientOcclusion=True
DetailMode=2
MaxShadowResolution=512
IniVersion=5.8
[Engine.Engine]
PhysXLevel=1
Language=int

[DevOptions.Shaders]
bAllowMultiThreadedShaderCompile=True

I figure I dont need to change the PhysX level in the ini file, due to me being able to control that from my in game settings...

I am also going to turn off V-Sync...

Pontos posted speaking on multithreading:
Yes, i did, but the name of the entry doesn't seem to refer to actual multithreading for gameplay...

What is the setting that I need to change, to let it use all 4 cores of my Q6600? :)
08-15-2009, 07:34 AM
zanzabar

i dont think that it can use more than 2 cores one for the game and one for physX
08-15-2009, 07:41 AM
Talonman

And i dont think PhysX is running on my CPU.
08-15-2009, 07:50 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by Talonman

And i dont think PhysX is running on my CPU.

Nope, its not. I knew, given time, you would figure it out :up:
08-15-2009, 07:53 AM
Talonman

I never thought it did... :)

That 'In Game' setting screen I posted, with me setting PhysX to High, and getting the warning that a 9 Series card or better should be used was a darn good clue!

One of us is confused. ;)

You talking to a man with a dedicated PhysX processor who DOSENT want the PhysX load on his CPU.

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Originally Posted by Talonman

I don't really think I know what your getting at.

Do you think PhysX is running on my CPU or GPU?

Do you think another member here has an Nvidia card too, so that the PhysX can also run on their GPU.

So you think my results are bad, and I am the only one who will see a performance increase? I don't.

The CPU is used in every game, PhysX or not...
08-15-2009, 07:56 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonman

I never thought it did... :)

That 'In Game' setting screen I posted, with me setting PhysX to High, and getting the warning that a 9 Series card or better should be used was a darn good clue!

One of us is confused. ;)

You talking to a man with a dedicated PhysX processor who DOSENT want the PhysX load on his CPU.

Which is why trying to do benchmark comparison between gpu and cpu is moot. So your right, one of us is confused :p:

Post 109

The above clearly shows what you are implying. :)

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Personally, I'd like to see people provide evidence for all these "CPU can do it too!" claims. I haven't seen a single person actually put up a video of a game doing these things on the CPU.

CPU related physics
Yup, the CPU can do it too :yepp:
08-15-2009, 07:59 AM
Talonman

Who is trying to do a test between CPU and GPU? Not me???

I simply was reporting a performance increase by installing the new PhysX, and you told me that my test was bad, and that performance couldn't be measured by design.

Glad John did the impossible too. I enjoyed his report.
08-15-2009, 08:14 AM
zanzabar

i guess i should test the cpu old v new its just to bad that there isnt a bench mark for it

as im going to install server08r2 rtm on the 18th there is no point in trying to keep the install clean anymore, and yes that meant that IMO physX is dirty
08-15-2009, 08:21 AM
Talonman

Well the old and new PhysX BOTH run on my GPU, so I still dont even get the entire CPU conversation. :)
08-15-2009, 08:31 AM
zanzabar

well if u have a non NV card u cant use physX with gpu or ppu acceleration and except for the paper (that i dont like) the nice effects all work without dedicated hardware (atleast with a ~4ghz quad). and like u said ur q66 is just sitting there so its a matter of improper coding and the perception that NV is trying to make is that u need a dedicated PPU or high end NV gpu for all of the eye candy but it seams mostly BS to me.

there is also the principal of NV neutering the cpu basses physX drivers, or UT3 needing a patch so im kinda interested on that
08-15-2009, 09:06 AM
Talonman

I understand your point now... :)

But being a Nvidia man, and just updating my PhysX, made my test valid in my book.

As far as using my CPU for PhysX, I would rather not have it calculated there at all.
08-15-2009, 09:10 AM
trinibwoy

Personally, I'd like to see people provide evidence for all these "CPU can do it too!" claims. I haven't seen a single person actually put up a video of a game doing these things on the CPU.
08-15-2009, 09:11 AM
Talonman

I'm with you buddy. ;)
08-15-2009, 09:15 AM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Personally, I'd like to see people provide evidence for all these "CPU can do it too!" claims. I haven't seen a single person actually put up a video of a game doing these things on the CPU.

thats it what format do u want it in, xfire, fraps or is there something better
08-15-2009, 09:22 AM
Talonman

I vote FluidMark.
08-15-2009, 09:29 AM
zanzabar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonman

I vote FluidMark.

fluid mark is a benchmark not a game

i was going to force mode 1 and get a video that the cpu can do it at full speed
08-15-2009, 09:38 AM
Talonman

But it is a PhysX benchmark test, that you can tell no GPU PhysX.

Of course it will ony run at about 7FPS withought GPU PhysX, but to me, that is expected. The CPU can't hang.
08-15-2009, 09:49 AM
AMDDeathstar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talonman

But it is a PhysX benchmark test, that you can tell no GPU PhysX.

Of course it will ony run at about 7FPS withought GPU PhysX, but to me, that is expected. The CPU can't hang.

:)
Last year
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08-15-2009, 09:55 AM
zanzabar

i hate transcoding fraps i have small vids of the fighting + small paper, sparks, haze and tile. surprisingly affter the update the tiles now work but the banners in the big room are now gone but i can assure u that it did banners fine on the old ones before i was chalanged for a vid
08-15-2009, 10:02 AM
Talonman

This year! :)

Talonman
System:
Q6600 @ 3.81GHz
(1) 295 processing Graphics, set to a mild 621/1458/1188
(1) 280 dedicated PhysX, set to 756/1512/1269

FluidMark:
PhysX ON
Res - 1680x1050
Ambient Occlusion (ON in Nvidia Control Panel.)
MSAA - 16X
FPS: Min= 40, Avg= 54, Max= 132
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9639/fluidboth.jpg
08-15-2009, 10:11 AM
trinibwoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by zanzabar

thats it what format do u want it in, xfire, fraps or is there something better

Fraps would be fine, thanks :)

Are you saying after the PhysX update, the tiles damage now works even with GPU PhysX disabled?

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