Corsair revisits CPU cooling: introducing the Hydro Series H50

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06-08-2009, 09:55 AM
Zaskar

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

All I have to say is get a real LC system instead of bothering with this crap. 1x120mm rad != enough for proper CPU cooling.

The point isnt to get a cooling solution as good as a triple fan rad setup, just to beat air coolers by a significant margin, as it installs as easily as one, and allows the same freedom air cooling has as far as maintenance and part/case swapping.

There is always something better. Ofcourse a triple fan custom setup will outperform it, but its much more hassle and swapping parts/cases becomes a nightmare.

Why not just hook a hose from the tap into the inlet of your CPU block, and a hose leading back to the drain from the outlet and turn on the cold water whenever you wanna use your CPU, it will make your setup look like garbage :P

Practicality plays a part in things.
06-08-2009, 10:00 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

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Originally Posted by Baron_Davis

If I can oc a crappy c0 e8500 to 4.3 24/7 with a TRUE, then I'm pretty sure the H50 will be able to handle a 920 @ 4G's. Comparison may seem non-sensical to some, but what I'm trying to say is that IF the preliminary tests are true (mainly, the H50 beating the TRUE by quite a bit), then it will be able to handle an oc'ed i7 (and quite easily).

water cooling doesnt work like that, you have to consider the heat capacity of the radiator and the water.
06-08-2009, 10:06 AM
Baron_Davis

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

water cooling doesnt work like that, you have to consider the heat capacity of the radiator and the water.

So you're saying it won't be able to handle an oc'ed i7? Don't they have tests already with a i7 oc'ed to 3.65 or something and the H50 is keeping it really cool at load? Someone link? NM found link...

http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/24922/

"Corsair claims that in tests performed in its own labs, the unit cooled an Intel Core i7-965 processor overclocked to 3.46GHz with a vcore of 1.3V 30% better than stock cooling and over 10% better than a high-performance air cooler, achieving idle temperatures of 38.375C and full loads temperatures of 55.85C."
06-08-2009, 10:09 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

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Originally Posted by Baron_Davis

So you're saying it won't be able to handle an oc'ed i7? Don't they have tests already with a i7 oc'ed to 3.65 or something and the H50 is keeping it really cool at load? Someone link?

lol 3.65ghz can be done on stock voltage = not much heat. 4ghz on an i7 is a different story as anyone who has clocked the chips knows.
06-08-2009, 10:18 AM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

lol 3.65ghz can be done on stock voltage = not much heat. 4ghz on an i7 is a different story as anyone who has clocked the chips knows.

why does it matter so much to you...

tbh if the performance it says is true.. its still true, ignore the people claiming it will do 4ghz etc etc.. as that's not what corsair is claiming at all. fair enough if you can do 3.6/3.56(to be exact) on an i7 @ stock volts, either way keeping it under 55*C is a HELL of an achievement for such a small cheap system at the end of the day :)
06-08-2009, 10:22 AM
Baron_Davis

4G's on a 920 is not that big of an achievement to be honest...why ignore the people who say it's possible? That's what I would be striving for...
06-08-2009, 10:25 AM
Zaskar

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Originally Posted by Baron_Davis

4G's on a 920 is not that big of an achievement to be honest...why ignore the people who say it's possible? That's what I would be striving for...

4ghz 100% stable and having the load temp NEVER exceed 80c is though.
Most people on 4ghz are not completely stable or their just benching or their temps are way too hot (and if they say otherwise most likely used Prime95 Blend to test it instead of something linpack based) and will probably tell you something like "well it never gets that hot under normal use anyways".
06-08-2009, 10:26 AM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by Baron_Davis

4G's on a 920 is not that big of an achievement to be honest...why ignore the people who say it's possible? That's what I would be striving for...

just for the fact that corsair arn't claiming it can do that, that's all .. in all honesty if it was me i'd see if i could do 4ghz etc...

but fact is people are arguing over if it will work or not at cooling that beast... all im saying is corsair haven't said it will or won't so it's silly to argue over it :)
06-08-2009, 10:37 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

actually with that dual rad kit you are getting double the performance and more OC headroom because the RAD wont overload when you OC your CPU :rolleyes:

the C/W efficiency will not be double when comparing the kit as a whole. the waterblock is probably going to hold you back much more than the radiator will. even if the water is cold with a bigger rad, the cpu will be hot if the waterblock sucks. thats why past a certain point there is little benefit with a simple loop like these.

see which kit or heatsink offers the best C/W per dollar, and i bet you will find the corair one to be near the top of the charts
06-08-2009, 10:56 AM
nsegative

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835108105

$139 for a no hassle FAR more adequate cooling system that comes with an industry standard pump that can be used in a more complex loop later on.

I've been reading reviews on that from newegg: there's a ton of people who are reporting leaking and cracking plastic. I'd stay away from that honestly.
06-08-2009, 11:08 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

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Originally Posted by nsegative

I've been reading reviews on that from newegg: there's a ton of people who are reporting leaking and cracking plastic. I'd stay away from that honestly.

:rofl: newegg reviews. you dont pick your hardware based on those do you?

that swiftech kit is nothing but quality, I've seen it first hand.
06-08-2009, 11:23 AM
nsegative

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

:rofl: newegg reviews. you dont pick your hardware based on those do you?

that swiftech kit is nothing but quality, I've seen it first hand.

When a bunch of people say they are having leaking issues you're supposed to ignore it? All you have is personal experience with maybe 1 or 2 people with a kit. The reviews are on a much broader scale.
06-08-2009, 12:36 PM
Cooper

Thread cleaned.
Please try to stay on topic.
06-08-2009, 01:01 PM
Jamesrt2004

The results from corsair
"Intel Core i7-965 processor overclocked to 3.46GHz with a vcore of 1.3V"

Corsair fan = 120mm, 1700 RPM
"high end cooler" = stock TRUE with 120mm, 1600RPM

Code:

Cooler Corsair Hydro Series H50 High-performance air cooler Standard CPU fan Temperature Idle (°C) 38.375 43 47.95 Temperature 50% load (°C) 42.5 49 57.55 Temperature 100% load (°C) 55.85 62.5 79.85

Guessing after this point(well the ones @ 3.56 i think it was at the show) it starts to not be able to handle the load in the rad but still great performance
06-08-2009, 01:07 PM
Jonny Manc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

The results from corsair
"Intel Core i7-965 processor overclocked to 3.46GHz with a vcore of 1.3V"

Corsair fan = 120mm, 1700 RPM
"high end cooler" = stock TRUE with 120mm, 1600RPM

Code:

Cooler Corsair Hydro Series H50 High-performance air cooler Standard CPU fan Temperature Idle (°C) 38.375 43 47.95 Temperature 50% load (°C) 42.5 49 57.55 Temperature 100% load (°C) 55.85 62.5 79.85

Certainly 'looks' promising for those of us who:

A - Cant afford higher end WC
B - Have never dealt with WC before and are nervous about building loops etc

As I said earlier in this thread, the reviews will tell (most of) the story.....roll on :D
06-08-2009, 03:13 PM
Master_G

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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

All I have to say is get a real LC system instead of bothering with this crap. 1x120mm rad != enough for proper CPU cooling.

I don't think you are getting the point of this product. No it will not perform as well as a kit with a larger rad, no it is not expandable. But that's not the point of the kit.
This kit can be fitted into the vast majority of computer cases with no modding, there is no construction (bar installing the fan and attaching the rad) and it is cheap for what it is. You won't be able to get the highest overclock on it, but you will be able to get a good overclock on it.
Comparing this to the swiftech kit you linked to, this has no construction, no addition of water or additives, no bleeding, no worrying about where to fit the double rad.
For many on here, these are not problems and this kit is not for you, this kit is for people who don't want to worry about connecting the kit together, who want all their system inside the case and want a top notch cooler. If it is the same as the Asetek kit then the cooler can run for 50 000 hours maintenance free which means significantly less hassle than a DIY kit.
This is a small, simple install cooler to install and forget about which is pretty effective. This should suit many people, but not all.

G
06-08-2009, 09:35 PM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by Master_G

This is a small, simple install cooler to install and forget about which is pretty effective. This should suit many people, but not all.

G

Not the best of performance(In watercooling) but it's cheap and easy to install, you summed it all up nicely there:up:

This product should be much cheaper then what you recommended SNiiPE_DoGG and I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 revisions of it with 1x120mm rad and a 2x120mm rad.
06-08-2009, 11:28 PM
Dante80

Also, who gives a flying :banana::banana::banana::banana: about i7@4ghz temps?...I'll buy that for my HTPC, and lose an additional fan (since I'll mount it in the exhaust hole with a s-flex@800rpm) while retaining good temps for the phII 705/905. If this works, it will be a godsend for many rigs. Together with an accelero s1 v2 on the 4670, silverstone night jar, corsair s128, 2WD scorpio blue and a silent intake fan (probably a noiseblocker @700rpm) this will help to make a cool, powerful yet almost silent HTPC~24/7 platform...:)

The advantage here is the price/performance ratio, together with ease of use and customer support. We just have to wait and see whether it works as advertised...
06-08-2009, 11:38 PM
sosna

To be honest Dante80 i wouldnt mind if it gave with an i7@4 decent temps.

I m waiting to see the reviews and act accordingly.
06-09-2009, 01:12 AM
Dante80

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Originally Posted by sosna

To be honest Dante80 i wouldnt mind if it gave with an i7@4 decent temps.

Me neither, of course. What I was trying to say is that corsair does not need to tame the beast in order to make this product sell. Considering the performance hinted, price and ease of use, there are many different scenarios and market segments that this solution could aim for...:up:
06-09-2009, 01:39 AM
bmg

This definitely looks interesting. One concern I have is whether the current being pushed through the 3 pin fan connector is well within the connector spec. I had one of the old original vapochills and one problem that it had was that asetek only used a single 4 pin molex connector for it's power...the 12V current was way too much for that single connector and led to early problems. I ended up soldering in 2 connectors in parallel to split the current a bit. I hope the current requirements of the pump are conservative relative to the max current handling spec of the 3 pin fan connector.
06-09-2009, 06:57 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by bmg

This definitely looks interesting. One concern I have is whether the current being pushed through the 3 pin fan connector is well within the connector spec. I had one of the old original vapochills and one problem that it had was that asetek only used a single 4 pin molex connector for it's power...the 12V current was way too much for that single connector and led to early problems. I ended up soldering in 2 connectors in parallel to split the current a bit. I hope the current requirements of the pump are conservative relative to the max current handling spec of the 3 pin fan connector.

my delta fans run off very thin wires, even though it goes to a regular molex, i wouldnt be too worried, wires can handle alot of heat before you have any issues. i use to run a 226W peltier on a single molex and it worked just fine
06-09-2009, 07:14 AM
Zaskar

Its going to be interesting, cant wait for real tests.

Ive done the major watercooling setups and recently switched back to air. Real Triple fan multi rad setups do make a HUGE difference in maximum overclocking potential while keeping it under safe temps at all times (usually it removes temp from the equation entirely and your throttling yourself based on max speculated safe voltage). But it just takes the focus too far away from the electronic components and places it on the watercooling system for me, as it makes changing parts, especially motherboards/cases a huge hassle, usually to the point where your put off from doing it, I diddnt like that as swapping hardware frequently is half the fun for me.

This is a nice hybrid of the 2, a small self contained watercooling loop that has the same ease of install and lack of spider webbing your components to the case as a normal air cooler. Only question is if it will be better then top notch air coolers at high temps, not stock ones like 1.3v for a 965.

The reviews that will be the most interesting will be ones that overclock the CPU with this unit to the point where under stress it is reaching 80c, and then seeing what one of the top air coolers like TRUE/Megahalems/Noctua with a 2 1600-1900rpm fans config get temp wise under those same settings. Will it have the same ~10c benefit, will it be less/even, worse? Thats what I want to see.

Not many care about keeping it ~10c cooler at the settings their currently using, but if it will allow their Air cooled OC'd systems that are currently skirting just under the 80c mark on LINX load tests to be overclocked a bit higher.
For air cooled i7 systems, that will usually be the jump from ~3.8ghz to 4ghz if your concerned with it being 30+ pass LINX/IntelBurntest/linpack stable.
06-09-2009, 07:43 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Zaskar

Its going to be interesting, cant wait for real tests.

well... this doesn't bode well: http://twitter.com/KyleBennett
06-09-2009, 09:00 AM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

well... this doesn't bode well: http://twitter.com/KyleBennett

whos he lol?

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