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FWIW early tests show nehalem @2.93 to consume 7 watts less than the Q9770 when idling. Which might make them equal "clock for clock". (isn't the q9770 platform extremely power hungry because of the high fsb) It's probably difficult to judge from this little information, but the power saving features should be improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by pajaa
http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/revie...438115_10.html
Well, it was just a figure, not so intelligent guessed, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
7W? Not that much...
Just for your understanding: my PC is idling around 80% of the day: internet, TV, music, and so on. The other 20% I play some games or need raw raytracing power. When I upgrade, it should not raise my power bill ;)
How about waiting for the NDA lift, with all the "nice" reviews instead of all the speculation and chinese sites crap and then decide? ;)
Core i7 965 >> $1999 - 2724 ~~~ USD$1380 - US$1880
Core i7 940 >> $962 - 1225 ~~~ USD$663 - US$845
Core i7 920 >> $538 - 691 ~~~ USD$371 - US$478
seeing as there's no competitive rival anywhere to be seen...
why not charge 'em up the a$$$$$$$$
take ati and the 4870 as an example
top of the line gpu, new architecture, shrunk die, DDR5
but because there was a competitive rival with a comparable product
they release it for $300 AUD a very :welcome: price
but if there was no nvidia, the 4870 would have launched at twice the price :yepp:
that's capitalism for you (and that's monopolism for you too)
DISCLAMER: all of the above is imho
LOL! Nvidia is the one that actually did launch at TWICE THE PRICE! I spent 9 years as an Nvidia customer and finally found the light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alcibiades
That's right 'cause nvidia clearly dominated with it's products for quite some time there over ati, until the 48**'s gave 'em a good kick to the nuts. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
Just trying to say that if AMD was clipping at the heals of intel, nehalems would be MUCH cheaper for sure.
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades
I am not a pricing guys, but I can tell you that those speculated price are very wrong ... :rofl: very very wrong!:shrug:
I want to crunch faster. I also want a smoother experience in AutoCAD. I want my ray-tracing to be faster and better optimized for more cores. And later, I want to run games better than currently possible. I want the bottlenecks removed whenever possible, because 1-2% today could be 50+% in a year or two years or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sr7
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
I hear for the last 15 years that we don t need more processing power ... Some people lost 50 Deutch mark betting with me that nobody will ever need more than Pentium III 500Mhz ... what a monster!
well, i was told as well that 90nm was the maximum possible ... I heard that the earth is flat too ... and the earth is the center of the universe ... the sun is turning over the earth ... no?
if that pricing is very very very wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
then that is very very very good news indeed
LOL, have you heard the one about man made global warming?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades
I don t know if it is man made or not, but we know for sure that Co2 reflects back the ray back on earth, so, even if we are responsible for 0.0001%, it is cool to try to avoid it. As a mathematicien, I see high match between Co2 level and temperature increase curves. It is not my specialty, but the numbers are matching ... It is out of context for here any way ...
Solar cycles can't be responsibles ... a recent study proved in Europe that the temp was out of cycle since 1929...
The only disturbing science fact I was told about is the magnetic field polarity change, this could have an impact. Again, I know nothing about this, but now, a lot of smart famous scientist agree ... I recommand that you get connected to them and try to exchange information with them, may be you got the truth and you can convince them ... I trust BBC weither sim, and it shows warming up ...
I agree it's out of context here but i am at least entitled one quick reply -Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
A report titled "The First Global Revolution," (1991) published by The Council of the Club of Rome,Are the scientists the new priests now?Quote:
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine, and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention ...The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
I thought it's only natural for the earth to experience long term temperature changes up and down then up and back down
the earth has undergone many ice ages so it must have experienced global warming in between those ice ages
or it would be one big ice age
using the south pole cap ice, we know 100% for sure that the earth never got so much CO2, ever! Since the earth is a adiabatic system, with energy getting in and out, it is a fine balance ... even a volcanic explosion of the size of Yellow stone did not generate so much CO2, something is wrong, and having the smart guys looking for it is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alcibiades
You can t ignore the scientific facts because few scientist generated a stupid paper somewhere in a corner room ... or may be just not quoted properly ... Facts are facts, ice is melting all over the earth, if the men are responsible for it, it is goood to try to solve it, if men are not responsible, we got to understand to what's going on. One think is sure, you can't wait to be sure to hit the wall to start breaking otherwise, you are dead!
so, I don t know if we are responsible, and I don't want to hit the wall, so, my commute distance is 3 miles.:up:
Global warming is man effected nomatter how you put it. Its completely out of its natural cycle. And thats the reason next year ships will start to sail over the north pole from Europe to China/Korea/Japan and cut about 25 days of sailing of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alcibiades
Ice drilled cores dating 100 of thousand years back can tell you that. Plus its not really complicated for most people to see its a runaway greenhouse situation.
Or maybe you wish us to end like Venus?
First the worst predictions of the northpole being ice free was 2070. Then 2050. Now we might have it in 2010.
This is the northpole september 2008:
http://i2-images.tv2.dk/s/74/1046337...0efe7e2c8.jpeg
Compared to earlier:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ic_Sea_Ice.jpg
Its abit like playing russian roulette to do nothing.
more people
more cores
more farts more co2
more deforestation
more power usage
more burning
more.
oh, but less ice.
:rolleyes:
How about lifting the NDA right now, so speculation is no longer needed. Oh did I mentioned, that speculation is fun?Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Ok there have been global fluctuation in average temperatures for ever. HOWEVER over the last century the average temperature has increased by 0.5C. This is an unprecedented rapid change and is one for concern.
Global carbon trading schemes is the way to force business to reduce their carbon dioxide footprint. The funny thing is that I'm writing an essay on it right now.
plus less ice means even hotter due to less reflected light...but i guess that is obvious to everyone...
'theyre' too busy trading 'their' way into a recession, but yes, that is the intent of trying to encourage clean and green i suppose.Quote:
Global carbon trading schemes is the way to force business to reduce their carbon dioxide footprint. The funny thing is that I'm writing an essay on it right now.
the bean counters wont have anything to do unless a number is attached to 'it'
BTW there's a rumour that 2P server is late, because of validation, so it's going to trickle into the market in Q1. Someone posted it on RWT, but the source is probably theinq or another FUD-machinery, could be true regardless. I think this would make sense, because there's no launch date on nehalem EP yet. If true than that's pretty bad for Intel and AMD is quite lucky.
screw ice, there where peridos in earth history where the poles where completely ice free. In fact we are still living at the near edge of a ending iceage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Sure humane race accelerated the melting of the ice caps, but suggesting we turn earth into a venus is pure bs. :ROTF:
Venus has what 96% CO2 in the atmosphere? Even if you burn every organic material including humans, plants plus vaporizing the oceans, you never can reach this level of concentration in earths atmosphere. ;)
Even if they were to bring the CO2 levels down they won;t bring the Methane levels down. Hell, my farts account for more melting than anything else! :D
Global Warming. :ROTF: It's almost as silly as that Gore character. If you belive what a Politician tells you they have you hook line and sinker. The scientists have said different. It is nothing more than normal temp swing.
You cannot go screwing with Mother Nature. Let her do her job, and we need to keep our noses out of it. That's what science says.
Actually human race infulences the greenhouse effect, everyone who is dening this is deluding himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
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Originally Posted by Hornet331
or he may be working for a gas company ... :yepp:
The products related to nehalem are ALL in the schedule. The rest is speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky
I hardly doubt the scientists at NASA and other centers are "deluding themselves". I also hardly doubt the Colombia Supercompueter is "deluding itself".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Regardless of Nobel Prizes (which have become meaningless now) they cannot argue with proven scientiffic fact.