New pictures of the pump top please :D
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New pictures of the pump top please :D
Comparing apples to oranges here.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Using your theory, everyone in the watercooling business copied one another because we have different blocks, but that's just it - they're different. EK didn't copy the design, they made an alternative block based on the same idea.
Are Lamborghini Gallardo and Pagani Zonda copes of each other, just because they're a type of car? (super car)
Take these compression fittings, are BitsPower barbs copies of Koolance? No, they're completely different. The Feser barbs are complete replicas albeit with their logo etched into them. So alike, until now, everyone thought they bought off BitsPower.
Either way, copied or not. Making idle threats to other companies for calling you out is completely pathetic. These guys are like Koolance when it comes to advertising, they will obviously mislead people as long as they sell more. For example, the whole fan in a glass of Feser liquid BS.
no my friend your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
What is the definition of a full covered block? A block that covers the card, has water chanels.
Now look at the two FC 7900 blocks, i believe this is where EK made its introduction.
WOW, they do look simular only DD had bad/poor CNCing. But you know what?
There was somthing wierd called a Kooslah?? :rofl:
It was released for the 6800 series. Who was Kooslah made by? Why DangerDen.
So no EK copied DD in fullcover blocks, just like XSPC and everyone else copied them.
This aint apples to oranges. That be like comparing a Full cover to a core only.
And Once again, i believe MAZE GPU block was probably out a lot longer then most watercooling companies, besides swiftech.
Wanna go up some more on block history with me? Unless your name is Nikhsub1, i have confidence in this debate. :rofl:
Wanna talk about more copying then? Alphacool DDC top VS. XSPC.
EK Top vs Petra's DDC Top.
EK Dual DDC trying to mimic my alphacool top.
I can go on and on ....
The real question is WHO makes it better, copy or not.
Not to mention which PC watercooling is based on cooling principles discovered/used in the industrial and scientific sectors long before, you, Nikhsub1, or myself were born, and long before computers even existed for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
The entire computer watercooling industry is one gigantic copy.
:up: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by iandh
How about I put my Spir@l and TC4 up against a EK Supreme? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
The only thing those watercooling pump tops have in common are the materials they're made of, they have different volutes etc. So they're not copies - a copy is an exact replica.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Behind the fact that full cover blocks are all machined out of one lump of metal, have some form of plastic covering them, they do all look different - so they're not copies of one another. I'm fully aware of the history of blocks thank you very much.
In response to the parts I've highlighted in bold, I'm not sure where you got the idea that you're on some sort of elitist pedestal from, but to me you're not in any league compared to Marci, Stu, Martin, BillA or Nik.
Yes, DangerDen are quite old school - but no one has really copied their designs. For example, the MCW60 is a core only block, just like the maze series - but inside, they're completely different.
If anything, DangerDen have been far from industry leading for a long time - they've certainly slowed down on the innovation front. I wouldn't even say they copied D-Tek with the MCP upgrade to the TDX and chipset blocks. Yes, they both utilise the same pin structure, but the blocks are still different and give different results.
Patents don't stop people from making the same product type now, do they?
Hey hey hey !!
No need to be-little anybody ! We all have our own opinions of each other, and no we don't always like each other, but kindly KEEP YOUR DAMN OPINIONS TO YOURSELF.
Nobody gives a flying damn who you hold in high esteem.
Everyone, including the names you mentioned, has a navel, among other things. The stench of hot air often fills the atmosphere in XS.
All of us were born p!ssing in the same potty. Nobody's potty was carved out of platinum.
The last time I checked, all of us still put our pants on one leg at a time.
Nobody has the right to degrade anyone else.
Now, Movieman wouldn't necessary express himself in the same manner I just did, but I can almost guarantee the same sentiments hold true.
Which is entirely my point, I really don't need to be be-littled and take any lessons from anybody about block history - so he can kindly keep his arrogance to himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Martin knows a lot about blocks, yet his posts don't stink of little man syndrome.
oh ho... for the sake of the thread i wont comment back grinch like.
But Merkel, theres only 1 way you can really cut a FC block.
And they both have acrylic over them. And they looked simular, to me thats a copy.
I'll leave it at that.
I dislike products, not companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by majestik
Feser just don't make anything I'm remotely interested in, although if I was a first time buyer of radiators - I might consider one but I own a PA 120.3 and 120.2 already.
I use distilled water and biocide with black tubing, I like neat tidy looking rigs with minimal bling. I've had my PTS DDCT-01s tops for quite a while now, I've XSPC, EK, Feser to name a few tops come out since and I thought the exact same thing about those tops.
A graph might say they give more pressure, but they're hardly ground breaking improvements that make it worth while for me to part with my cash. But then there's more to spend on Cider, Southern Comfort and photography equipment.
That's exactly my point and what I said. To me, there is a "type" of product i.e. compression fitting, full cover block, after market top. Then the product itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
You can't really as you say, make a full cover block any different (The Stealth to me is a core only block built into a passive PCB cover). The DD and EK FC blocks are the same type of product, but the product themselves differ.
DangerDen now seem to use bead/sand blasting, EK is just straight milled. The 8800 blocks from DD were shallow and had channels half done into the top, the EK the opposite. Obviously I'm not trying to tell you these, you obviously already know what these blocks looked like - I'm just pointing out they're different products, but they're both full cover.
Where as the compression fittings this thread is about, look exactly the same apart one has an added logo. They're knurled in the same fashion, both have an o-ring recess etc.
I'm all for people/companies producing products based off other peoples designs, that's how markets move forward i.ee Dyson and the hoover.
Either way, I'm going to apologise to you for going off on one, I just thought your post was very condescending. Plus I'm not particularly in a good mood, a certain someone has had £200.00 worth of computer case of mine from 3 months yet doesn't seem to want to respond to my emails or PM's about the status of the mods being done. :shakes:
Ouch. Is that your "Back to Black" 343B?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Yeah :(Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
Good news is once the case is back, I can take better pictures since learning how to use my D40 :D
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4...minsterwy2.jpg
That's a nice photo bro :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
It's terrible how any hobby + internet forum = desire to buy dslr.
Then why did you go ahead and say that anyway? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
Mekrel i can't wait to see some pics. That is one awesome camera. :yepp:
Seeing that pic reminds me, I need to schedule a trip to London...my skinnee american ass is long overdue in that city. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Performance numbers? You're talking about Feser here. Have you seen their amazing website?
Try to find any performance numbers for any current feser product on their site. You won't. They don't publish performance numbers - it's not their thing.
When we say any news about pump performance it's mainly because the general feedback from this forum has been "Okay, so it looks like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, but how does it perform?" I think in this case it's in Feser's advantage to release some form of results, which can then be confirmed or discredited later ^^
It would really help the conversation if when you attack each other personally, try and make sure your post also mentions SOMETHING about the top to not be completely off track...
This thread has become SOOOOOooooo personnal... "I'm not even going to look at it because it's Feser!", "Feser? Stinking corporate blingy bastards, they're not worth my time"... Can no one see this top for what it is: A pump top? In a way I wish the thread creator hadn't mentioned it was a Feser top :/
Well I can't speak for anyone other than myself but I so don't care who makes my stuff. All I want is something that performs well that's in my price bracket. I couldn't care if it was made by Feser or Bitspower and if everything was the same bar the price, I would go for the cheaper option. I completely missed the start of this thread and until recently thought that everyone loved Feser. However this isn't the case and when various members who are directly associated with the business entered with slurs and big accusations I was surprised.
If this top performed better than every other top available and had a good build [it doesn't look that way from these prototypes] and most importantly was around the same price as the other options, then I would get one. The way Feser prices their products is beyond logic as their shrouds are really just plastic fans minus the fan and rotor and yet they want $20 USD for one. No way. I would rather buy a cheap fan, cut the fan part out and there is my Feser clone that isn't pretty for less than a quarter of the price.
@bentleya:
First . . .do not go roll your eyes at me when I suggest they offer a better configuration for inlet and outlet holes. I appreciate you are a modder and sponsored by them . . .well, I guess maybe you are new and do not know who you are talking down to . . .I have a little experience in not only modding but water-cooling as well . . .a single inlet in the top and outlet in the front is old school designing. . .Feser wants to be cutting edge right? More options not less are what we need.
What I pointed out is a flaw in the design which they should address.
can you please point to the post and bit where i said and i can re evulate my sayings manly as i probley in the wrong :D, so i am sorry if i souned that i know it all, i dont nd if i did well lets not go there :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
yer but i siad i will look over it lol :D hehe it was ages ago cant remember what i said but i will look over it :D darth beavis i do know who you are btw
edit: this more to your liking:
the setup is done purly to get best performnce out of but from a modders view nothing is right :D there cant please everyone :D but i guess there can try
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Originally Posted by bentleya
Dude anyone who looks at it knows I is NOT for performance alone . . .nothing Feser does is for just performance. Petra I would say is mainly performance . . .delrin top, minimalist but killer performance. You can do both I imagine. It is nice to have options especially when you do a lot of builds . . .