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12-13-2007, 06:23 AM
KeZzZu

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

massman, with the production parts: NO
with earlier parts: YES
it would boot up fine at -80C

I have a plan for the weekend ;)

OT/
ermm you mean CPU or gpu's? if cpu, retails suffer from coldbug?
and little task/question: would you write little quide to tweak/oc phenom to amd section. becose there aren't many phenomist's around :( so were doing slow in learning how to :D / OT

Very nice score Macci :clap:
12-13-2007, 06:26 AM
massman

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

massman, with the production parts: NO
with earlier parts: YES
it would boot up fine at -80C

I have a plan for the weekend ;)

You're kidding right? :D

With the right steppings, we should be able to use dice without having too much problems? If so, I want one :p:
12-13-2007, 06:31 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by massman

You're kidding right? :D

With the right steppings, we should be able to use dice without having too much problems? If so, I want one :p:

If that's the case full LN2 control :)
12-13-2007, 07:07 AM
Sampsa

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

Ok, I found a 512MB 2900XT.

so, how much over 20k? :D

20k seems to be quite easy with 860/990 setting already - didnt need to push NB / RAM at all. Actually this was the first run I did with this config so far.

first run at 20k

edit: OK, just to be fair - here is a better run with higher NB / MEM

http://img.techpowerup.org/071213/20429.png

more details:
Vista ultimate 32bit, Catalyst 7.11 driver

macci,

http://plaza.fi/s/f/editor/images/qx...rk05_20448.png

QX9650
Asus P5E3 WS Professional (Intel X38)
ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT (860/999)
OCZ PC3-12800 Platinum @ 1712 MHz 7-6-6-18 1T

Catalyst 7.11
Windows XP SP2

;)
12-13-2007, 07:09 AM
BeardyMan

Lol Ddr3 ;) :d
12-13-2007, 07:16 AM
massman

Sampsa: DDR2 vs DDR3 and XP vs Vista :)
12-13-2007, 01:22 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNizze

I´n not one of the "well known" overklocker her at XS or any other place for that mather, BUT as macci pointed out even I can se where the bottle neck is in 05...

Here is my Phenoms CPU score in 3Dmark06 for refernce!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Eric/06max.gif

I dont mean any harm to ANY of you guys, you are well known and respected by me and others. But cant you see the numbers...

Actually a nowadays York at 2750MHz does this..... :)

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hip..._CPU_score.png

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

Ok, I found a 512MB 2900XT.

so, how much over 20k? :D

20k seems to be quite easy with 860/990 setting already - didnt need to push NB / RAM at all. Actually this was the first run I did with this config so far.

first run at 20k

edit: OK, just to be fair - here is a better run with higher NB / MEM

http://img.techpowerup.org/071213/20429.png

more details:
Vista ultimate 32bit, Catalyst 7.11 driver

Sorry for the delay but I totally FORGOT it coz I was benching the PCMark2005 today..... :D

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hip...83_5508MHz.png

Here you go...... :)

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hip...860_1000_1.png

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hip...860_1000_2.png

....and 2k6.....where's YOUR 2k6?.....I can't see it anywhere?..... :D :p:

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hip...860_1000_1.png

http://www.hipro-tech.com/images/hip...860_1000_2.png

@ Massman please DON'T compare systems each other by saying DDR2/DDR3 or so.....IF AMD rig whould have DDR3, the guys whould bench with DDR3.....Does it have?.... :D
Everyone benchies with what he has.... :) ;)
12-13-2007, 01:28 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

massman, with the production parts: NO
with earlier parts: YES
it would boot up fine at -80C

I have a plan for the weekend ;)

what
no way
amd CPUs that can boot up at -80C......i gotta see that
12-13-2007, 01:29 PM
BeardyMan

Hipro, you are not comparing fair :)
i'm afraid you can't stand it that Phenom is better lol ;)
12-13-2007, 01:30 PM
dinos22

these guys are right George

Apples for apples ;)

btw that PCMARK SCORE IS EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
12-13-2007, 01:38 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeardyMan

Hipro, you are not comparing fair :)
i'm afraid you can't stand it that Phenom is better lol ;)

:confused: What do you mean?......macci with AMD "gave what he got" and I with Intel "gave what I got"....Where is the problem with that?.... :confused:
I MUST DOWNCLOCK my rams or use DDR2?.....What for?.....THIS is the new technology now......Do you want to go back and get a Pentium4 to bench instead?.... :D
12-13-2007, 01:55 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

:confused: What do you mean?......macci with AMD "gave what he got" and I with Intel "gave what I got"....Where is the problem with that?.... :confused:
I MUST DOWNCLOCK my rams or use DDR2?.....What for?.....THIS is the new technology now......Do you want to go back and get a Pentium4 to bench instead?.... :D

I agree. This thread is showcasing AMD's latest and greatest. So to keep it fair it should be compared to last year's technology?
12-13-2007, 02:55 PM
Syz`

I've emptied this as it is innapropriate and not needed, carry on benching. ;)
12-13-2007, 03:00 PM
GazC

^ Oh dear.
12-13-2007, 03:22 PM
macci

George,

don't downclock anything or switch to DDR2 - thanks for the ref. score! now I have a new target again (which is not too far either) :D

I think my GT3 is too low for the clocks (I remember it stutters in the beginning of GT3). Let me try WinXP. I think I can get it to over 20.5k too.

in any case its still a VERY close match.

I'll work on that 06 number during the weekend.

speaking of latest technology: I think you should try with Vista ;) (for both 05 / 06)
12-13-2007, 03:33 PM
Simps

Owned! Lol
12-13-2007, 03:36 PM
dpa

this is a very close match.. but Macci runs very high NB clocks, nobody here on the forum has managed so high clock on either cpu og NB?

anyways, George CAN run the setup at 4.7Ghz on air, while macci is stuck at 3Ghz on air.. enough said at xs.org? :D
12-13-2007, 04:16 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

speaking of latest technology: I think you should try with Vista ;) (for both 05 / 06)

Definitely. I've seen as much as 600 points difference in 06 between Vista and XP at 3600MHz.
12-13-2007, 07:47 PM
tictac

Owned! ;)
12-13-2007, 09:37 PM
KTE

very nice... I'm reading. :D

Quit trying to distract us with that PCMark score... George. :p: :eek:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpa

this is a very close match.. but Macci runs very high NB clocks, nobody here on the forum has managed so high clock on either cpu og NB?

People run NB at 2.25GHz for sub 2.9GHz. I run NB 2.16GHz at 2.64GHz CPU. Less than 300MHz difference and he's at higher clocks. But look at the FSB George ran for 3GHz. Is that stock QX9650? Stock is 333MHz and he is running 428.7MHz. 379MHz difference. But Sami is 22MHz above stock on HT. ref (200MHz) while George is about 95MHz above.

And RAM is not fair at all. DDR3 is better than DDR2 for bench -> all benchers incl. Geroge himself say this and that's why they use it. We've all seen your posts. :D

Again that 2750Mhz George compared to Badnizze had 458MHz FSB. That's insane FSB for quads. Try ~333MHz and you have a proper comparison.
12-14-2007, 12:13 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

:confused: What do you mean?......macci with AMD "gave what he got" and I with Intel "gave what I got"....Where is the problem with that?.... :confused:
I MUST DOWNCLOCK my rams or use DDR2?.....What for?.....THIS is the new technology now......Do you want to go back and get a Pentium4 to bench instead?.... :D

The point is that you have the possibility to compare fair yet you prefer to do it otherwise. You wanne know who is faster clock per clock in this bench yet you use a factor that influence GT1 and GT3 for sure.
12-14-2007, 02:04 AM
massman

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

@ Massman please DON'T compare systems each other by saying DDR2/DDR3 or so.....IF AMD rig whould have DDR3, the guys whould bench with DDR3.....Does it have?.... :D
Everyone benchies with what he has.... :) ;)

You're right if one would compare what cpu is better for extreme benching purpose ... but then, you would choose Intel just because you can clock it at 5,8G using ln² ;).

To find out what cpu is better clock per clock, you need to use the same hardware/software :) .
12-14-2007, 02:40 AM
Sampsa

massman, CPU can't do much alone since it needs a chipset and memory to work so the performance is a sum of these three components. Right now the best these two companies can offer:

AMD = Phenom (K10 architecture) + AMD 790 FX + DDR2
Intel = Yorkfield (Penryn) + Intel X38 + DDR3
12-14-2007, 03:05 AM
massman

You may be right, Sampsa, though I'd rather see results with both systems running on DDR2 to compare both chips just as I'd rather see XP vs XP instead of Vista vs XP comparisons :)
12-14-2007, 03:20 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by massman

You may be right, Sampsa, though I'd rather see results with both systems running on DDR2 to compare both chips just as I'd rather see XP vs XP instead of Vista vs XP comparisons :)

Indeed, is it me or does HIPRO, Sampsa know what the result is when using DDR2 at the same speeds...:D ;)

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