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11-19-2007, 06:46 AM
freeloader

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Yeah, the industry won't let it happen. Large OEMs will shove these into low end boxes and sell plenty, as a result AMD will continue with volume.

There are a few critical problems I see for AMD at the moment.

a) The die size is huge and the margins will be small as they must price these to be competitive, they did not regain any pricing leverage.

b) Yields, despite what AMD tells it's investors, are not great -- Barcey is still a no show, and the initial reports is that the availability of Phenom will be scant.

c) Clock speed.... clock speed.... clock speed. While AMD down played it's importance, it is actually still part of the performance equation (Performance = IPC*Clockspeed) and the poor launch speeds is really hurting, the must work to get these up to help boalster the ASPs.

Only one problem with your statement, "as a result, AMD will continue with volume". That's not looking to be very good at this time. AMD needs to ditch SOI like a hooker ditches a mouthful, if you know what I mean. It's caused nothing but grief at the 65nm node.
11-19-2007, 07:04 AM
Yakyb

Finally availible

Phenom availible here only as pre order tho
11-19-2007, 07:08 AM
naokaji

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yakyb

Finally availible

Phenom availible here only as pre order tho

too expensive though.... 50£ (100$) more than Q6600 in same store.... i hope it drops once its really avalaible and the only to list it gouging ends.
11-19-2007, 07:59 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by awdrifter

From seeing these results, AMD should've scrapped the native quad core and just MCM two Brisbanes instead of releasing this. The cost of production should be lower, and the performance wouldn't be too much worse, it might be even better because Brisbanes can hit 3ghz easily.

A point I tried to make 8 months ago. I've said all alone that if they had something, they'd show it.
11-19-2007, 08:08 AM
[XC]Atomicpineapple

Its actually only £10-15 more expensive, but thats enough to not really make it a viable option. How many people have C2Ds on mobos that will take C2Qs? Probably more than people who have an AM2 mobo. AMD does have a nice platform atm with the 790FX chipset, but IMHO doesnt have the CPU horsepower to go with it atm, a shame really.
11-19-2007, 08:32 AM
justapost

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E15348,00.html

Quote:

AMD Phenom™ Benchmarks in process

Dumdidum

Looking at PCPerspectives Review 9600 uses less power in indle and under load, all others show higer power consumption. :confused:

About pricing, two sources in germany saying, amd announced the following pricing (OEM, 1000) in warsaw:

9500 - 169€
9600 - 190€

Onlineshop's have higher prices 9500 (~ 220€), 9600 (~ 250€) atm, i assume they will drop soon below q6600 prices (~ 230€).
11-19-2007, 08:48 AM
Donnie27

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If you were looking for a changing of the guard today it's just not going to happen. Phenom is, clock for clock, slower than Core 2 and the chips aren't yet yielding well enough to boost clock speeds above what Intel is capable of. While AMD just introduced its first 2.2GHz and 2.3GHz quad-core CPUs today, Intel previewed its first 3.2GHz quad-core chips. We were expecting Intel to retain the high end performance crown, but also expected AMD to chip away at the lower end of the quad-core market - today's launch confirms that Intel is still the king of the quad-core market.

Says it best and he could have left out most of what what said after-wards. I wonder what AMD Fantoy Wes Fink would have written?
11-19-2007, 08:56 AM
BeardyMan

pretty strange that now, AMD phenom is faster afteral in Crysis cpu bench.
Link

2.3ghz >2.4
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...1132/16064.png

While that expreview dude showed us dramatic resulst from phenom in crysis? serious whte do i need to believe? :shrug:
11-19-2007, 09:11 AM
justapost

A few AMD slides

http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=943&w=l
Good to know AM3 chips will work in AM2 Platforms.

http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=933&w=o

http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=931&w=o

http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=932&w=o

http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=935&w=l

http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=936&w=l

http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=937&w=l

http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=934&w=l

What is a good P35 board below 100€ in terms of power consumtion? ASUS P5K SE ?
I want to buy one together with an q6600, to have someting to compare with 770/9500.
11-19-2007, 09:14 AM
Tonucci

Well...Its not the end of the world for AMD. The old K8s are faster than penryn in supercomputer with tons of CPUs, so K10 should do really well in this market, theres alot of money to be made outside of desktop parts.

As for overclockers/gamers, its a no brainer....

EDIT: Weird thing is, it seems like AMD has the upper hand in minimum FPS in some games. Maybe its the L3 cache helping ?
11-19-2007, 09:26 AM
Periander6

The time for slides, canned "previews", no touch demos, cherrypicked benches, simulated nonexistent parts, wishful thinking sandbagging and miracle dancing in the aisles steppings just around the corner is over. This is a launched product.

The facts are that clock for clock K10 is 10% slower than Kentsfield, the top speed is only 2.3GHz, the power numbers suck too, and it's priced too high for how it performs. It's AMD's Prescott. Full stop.
11-19-2007, 09:28 AM
n91htmare

How did AMD slides put gaming at 110% when in all tests that are not GPU bound we have seen the Intel leap ahead.
at most EVEN ON AMD SLIDES which are obviously Biased, we only see phenom ahead by average 3% lol
11-19-2007, 09:31 AM
BeardyMan

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Originally Posted by n91htmare

How did AMD slides put gaming at 110% when in all tests that are not GPU bound we have seen the Intel leap aheard.

probably because their entire platform is fined tuned at each other.
11-19-2007, 09:32 AM
freeloader

Quote:

Originally Posted by Periander6

The time for slides, canned "previews", no touch demos, cherrypicked benches, simulated nonexistent parts, wishful thinking sandbagging and miracle dancing in the aisles steppings just around the corner is over. This is a launched product.

The facts are that clock for clock K10 is 10% slower than Kentsfield, the top speed is only 2.3GHz, the power numbers suck too, and it's priced too high for how it performs. It's AMD's Prescott. Full stop.

:up: :clap:
11-19-2007, 09:39 AM
happychappy

Now we have to wait for B3:rolleyes:
11-19-2007, 09:59 AM
Epsilon84

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Originally Posted by happychappy

Now we have to wait for B3:rolleyes:

Oh, the new 'dancing in the aisles' stepping, right? :rofl:
11-19-2007, 10:13 AM
Pacha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Periander6

The time for slides, canned "previews", no touch demos, cherrypicked benches, simulated nonexistent parts, wishful thinking sandbagging and miracle dancing in the aisles steppings just around the corner is over. This is a launched product.

The facts are that clock for clock K10 is 10% slower than Kentsfield, the top speed is only 2.3GHz, the power numbers suck too, and it's priced too high for how it performs. It's AMD's Prescott. Full stop.

QFT :clap:
11-19-2007, 10:17 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Periander6

The time for slides, canned "previews", no touch demos, cherrypicked benches, simulated nonexistent parts, wishful thinking sandbagging and miracle dancing in the aisles steppings just around the corner is over. This is a launched product.

The facts are that clock for clock K10 is 10% slower than Kentsfield, the top speed is only 2.3GHz, the power numbers suck too, and it's priced too high for how it performs. It's AMD's Prescott. Full stop.

Any bets on how AMD will handlem a Prescott-like disaster ?
11-19-2007, 10:23 AM
fiskov

Very disappointing.. Been an AMD "only" user since the K6-2 300 days (not a fan boy just never had problems so always stuck with them.)

Yet the time has come, i need a new PC and i need the best and AMD simply is not that anymore.
adios AMD :(
11-19-2007, 10:24 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by savantu

Any bets on how AMD will handlem a Prescott-like disaster ?

First nail....meet Mr. Coffin....but I don't think this will be a disaster of that magnitude. Not in the least.
11-19-2007, 10:28 AM
happychappy

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

Oh, the new 'dancing in the aisles' stepping, right? :rofl:

Yeah, for sure, then it will perform 2x better than a Q6600:up: :rofl: :ROTF:
11-19-2007, 10:36 AM
Donnie27

With the slowest model costing from $222 to $235 US Dollars, yes they do suck! 9600 isn't cheaper than Q6600 that at least one VAR offered me for $270 and yes my Board is compat with it;)

http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.as...1167123&ref=GB

Lowest price is still a joke!

Doesn't matter, they'll sell well in this market anyway. There are enough folks that will still but it and think they're great.
11-19-2007, 10:41 AM
savantu

Quote:

AMD's Phenom - For suckers only

I was quite interested in AMD’s Phenom quad-core CPU, that is, until I read some early reviews of the processor. Now I’ve come to the conclusion that you’d have to be a sucker to be an early adopter of AMD’s new quad-core line.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=946
11-19-2007, 10:46 AM
savantu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epsilon84

Oh, the new 'dancing in the aisles' stepping, right? :rofl:

Where is informal,DoubleZero and the rest of the gang to tell us how we should wait for B3 and then see the light and "dance in the aisles" ?
Or even better , we should wait for Shanghai , the 45nm K10 , maybe that one will close the IPC gap with Kentsfield!
2 years later , but hey , it's a True Quad Core !!
11-19-2007, 10:52 AM
John600rr

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

Where is informal,DoubleZero and the rest of the gang to tell us how we should wait for B3 and then see the light and "dance in the aisles"

Too busy editing all of their posts? ;)

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