Thank for the sexy pic there. :eek:
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Thank for the sexy pic there. :eek:
So IS there a 255fsb 1:1 wall on the ic7-g or not?
Yes it is.............. :(Quote:
Originally posted by tombman
So IS there a 255fsb 1:1 wall on the ic7-g or not?
solution - asus p4c800-e
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Originally posted by Amoeba Assassin
solution - asus p4c800-e
YES; I just tested every memory I have, and cannot go beyond 255FSB 1:1, I can do 280FSb 5:4 or even higher so long as I use my Corsair XMS3500, or Twin-X3200LL. But the newer DDR500 will not run in any dividers other then 1:1. Not everyone has this problem. If your running PC4000 and it works in 5:4/3:2 then you know you have overclocked PC3500 IC's because the newer IC's just don't work using the dividers on almost all 875 motherboard's. I've thoroughly researched this and wrote an article; http://www.madshrimps.be/gotoartik.php?articID=92
And if I'm not an "established" enough source for ya, here's an excerpt from Sudhian "8 Canterwoods" round-up article;
"It was apparent almost immediately following the launch of Canterwood that there were issues concerning the chipset's memory compatibility. Systems using RAM that had formerly tested as perfectly stable on i845PE and nForce2 boards would crash badly, returning to stability only when older, slower RAM was used. In one case (AOpen's) the board crashed so badly I thought it was physically defective, refusing even to POST correctly.
Time and research has shown this to be a chipset limitation, as Canterwood is not capable of running a tRAS (RAS-to-CAS delay) of "2". The problem is, much of the high-end memory currently available specifies a "2" result as default, leading to problems. While some boards proved more stable then others when using a tRAS of 2, none of them were stable enough for regular use."
http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=417&pid=1475
I don't know why this has gone on so long, but about three weeks ago I began having problems with my Epox, then my IC7-G, when using OCZ4000, and Corsair4000 I'd become literally locked out of re-setting the BIOS. Holding Insert, and pressing the Reset button which is usually the jumperless method for returning the values to 200FSB, and SPD didn't work. Even clearing CMOS doesn't work! The only way to gain access to the system is to remove the newer memory, and replace with older DDR. It's crazy. So basically, I don't understand why so many like the IC7-G? It's 2.8VDIMM, and memory problems render it impotent. The best advice i've heard was to go Asus. And if I had the money, I'd have got the P4C800 long ago.
No offense, but there is more to a good board than max FSB.Quote:
Originally posted by Liquid3D
So basically, I don't understand why so many like the IC7-G? It's 2.8VDIMM, and memory problems render it impotent. The best advice i've heard was to go Asus. And if I had the money, I'd have got the P4C800 long ago.
The IC7-G still makes a superb choice for many users. The price to features ratio is excellent, as is the general stability of the board. I recently have been putting an Asus P4P800 through it's paces, and I can indeed confirm that it handles the various memory modules better, and can hit higher FSB speeds using the divisors. The extra VDimm is nice too. However, the IC7-G will remain in my Gaming Rig for a while yet anyway. I like the BIOS layout better, as well as the feature set. And it overclocks very well. It also puts out better performance numbers clock for clock.
Now, with the soon to released 17 BIOS, the 255 1:1 barrirer will be broken.
Unless "extreme FSB overclocking" is the game plan, I still recommend the IC7-G. I've sold a good handful of these mobos to those who want to mainsteam overclock and it's been a smashing success. Most of these guys either run 250 1:1 with new PC4000, or in the 270 range 5:4 with PC3700. That kind of overclocking, plus the feature set, clock for clock performance and the price, make it a great board. Albeit, extreme FSB overclockers may want to look elsewhere:)
Agreed I did go off on a tangent. There are many attributes which make the board a good choice especially since the price drop.
You have mail.
Thanks for mail:)
BTW, you really didn't tangent...this is "xtreme" systems after all:) Most people here would want to know exactly the kind of info you're posting about. In fact, you're doing great work:)
I guess as an avid overclocker, but also a systems builder, I just tend to see everything more from a generalist point of view with different products having different strengths and weaknesses.
Well it's true this is an Xtreme venue, however; I'm trying very hard to remember as Enthusaists only account for 10% of sales. An effective article must account for that other portion of the equation. When I contact manufacturers requesting to write about their products, I explain I'm adamant about reaching out to the majority first.
Not sure how well the 17 bios works for high fsb multiplier clocks, but in another thread Kenneth Chong is posting screenshots with the MAX3 at 350fsb, not sure what the Asus top out at, but I have seen 345fsb from them so far.
Hmm, I've seen one post a 3DK01 score of 17800 @3.6 gig and another post 18000 at 4 gig. This seems low to me. I can hit 17200 with my AMD 2800+ (@ 2.4 gig). I would think those Intel's should be hitting over 20,000. These kind of scores bug me because I have been thinking up going the P4 route but doing all that to gain 1000 points or so would not even be 'felt'. An overclock of 3.5 - 4 gig sounds really good but what does it really give you over say a system like I have? When I see scores like this, I think choosing anything else right now than what I currently have would be a dumb move on my part. I have to keep reading stuff to see what my next move is going to be. I mean, going from my 17200 to 20000. Now that would be 'felt'. Going to 22000 or even higher, now that's even a better 'felt'. Now that's what I'm talking about. This is what kind of a performance difference I'm going to have to see before I change my system.
Mike89, see my sig. 3.6=23333 I break 20K at 3.5 without overclocking the 9800.
Hey dexter (mdzcpa)...you don't mind right?
Can you take some pics of your rig. Including that pelt setup.
I just got myself a 3.0c, ic7-g max3, 512m mushkin pc3500(bh-5), and an aiw 9700 pro ...just sold my vapochill rig on ebay i hated that pos =D.
going for similar results =)
The best thing to do is check out my Swiftech Quiet Power TEC Conversion article I wrote on Liquid Ninjas Here At the time it was an AMD system. But I've since been running it with the P4/IC7 combo. Everything from the article still applies. Temps are great. I'm also now running the MCW50-T versus the MCW40-T in the article. There's more detail pics in the article than I posted.
But here are a few pics:
http://www.liquidninjas.com/mdzcpa/r...icture_003.jpg
http://www.liquidninjas.com/mdzcpa/r...icture_052.jpg
http://www.liquidninjas.com/mdzcpa/r...icture_055.jpg
http://www.liquidninjas.com/mdzcpa/r...icture_087.jpg
http://www.liquidninjas.com/mdzcpa/r...icture_059.jpg
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mdzcpa.../IC7incase.JPG
Very nice! I am about to check out your article now. How much did all of this cost including the w/cing for the TEC? Also what temps idle/load
Ok just read your review. I have to compliment you very nice, thorough, and detailed review. Wow that is one expensive setup
$350 for w/ced case, $115 cpu tec, $60 gpu tec, $120 psu hehe =)
Wow that comes out to be a little more expensive then a prommy but the good part is that it is compact and will fit in almost any case.
Id have to admit when I had my vapochill on my p4c 1.5v my temps were only slightly lower then yourso n the t-bred. MBM gave me about 3~7C but evap showed -24~-15C
I just got my board today
Is there any tips on what i should use with this board like type of memory
IC7-G?
* = hell yeah
Adata Pc4000*
Buffalo Pc3700
Mushkin Pc3500 Level 2
OCZ PC4000 Gold
Corsair XMS 4000
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Who...me? I didn't think there was any outstanding questions going on:) You answered that guys ram question just fine.Quote:
Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
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mdzcpa i was just wondering why didnt you go w/ vapo or prommy you could of got one for the money you spent on watercooling/pelt
mdzcpa i was just wondering why didnt you go w/ vapo or prommy you could of got one for the money you spent on watercooling/pelt
Well, I went with pelts over a year ago now, and the Prommy wasn't even around then. The Vapo was the only choice at that point, and it really didn't do much better than a good pelt system at the time. The Vapo has since been improved for more cooling.Quote:
Originally posted by CrashOv3r1De
mdzcpa i was just wondering why didnt you go w/ vapo or prommy you could of got one for the money you spent on watercooling/pelt
Another point is that both only cool the CPU. At a minimum, the GPU would require at least a straight water cooling system. It would make no sense to super cool the CPU and leave the GPU air cooled (at least it wouldn't make any sense to me).
Last point is portability and safety. My rig is totally portable and has been to many LAN parties. There are no wires or tubes hanging out. And no seperate cooling units to stack on top of the case. Everything is totally self contained within the case and looks very OEMish.
It's also 100% turn-key. One power button, and everything fires up. It's protected by a solid relay system and temp montoring system. Virtually fool proof.
That's about it. But, don't ge me wrong, if I were soley benching for scores I wouldn't even be using a case. It would be spread out on my bench and it wouldn't matter how many wires, hoses, and clamps were hanging around. But, that's not the purpose of this rig. It is definitely a rig for testing and overclocking to the fringes of extreme, but it is also for serious gaming. It's the balance of extreme OC and practical functionality that I find to be the challenge. You should see the looks I get at LAN parties:)