Exactly, that is why I wish I had one, I should've worded that differently :P
I am building a water cooling setup next week and ordering it, for when I buy my opteron 170 to match this memory's clock 1:1 :P
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Exactly, that is why I wish I had one, I should've worded that differently :P
I am building a water cooling setup next week and ordering it, for when I buy my opteron 170 to match this memory's clock 1:1 :P
200mhz, 3.9us is 3072 in the biosQuote:
Originally Posted by seferio
Think that would net me much lol? I'm guessing maybe if I tweaked the shiz outa these sticks I could get maybe as high as 280, but nothing more. Maybe going to opteron could give me another 5Mhz too, but yeah... oh well.
hmm, well simply swapping stick order nets me about 5mhz, so you never know until you try :p:
can you guys please post how much vdimm you're using?
2.73v atm, still working at 300mhz.. almost got 296.68mhz prime stable :toast:
With what motherboard? DFI boards seem to overvolt by about .07-.09 on the vDimm (not sure about expert/venus). My Expert is reporting much much lower values than what I set in BIOS
Sensors for Vdimm though seem to be dead on, IMO they are trustworthy. With my ultra-d set to 2.6, I get 2.66 in BIOS and 2.66-2.67 fluctuating with DMM
edit: don't trust software readings for Vdimm though, only BIOS
http://img333.imageshack.us/my.php?i...dimm7sk5sz.png
http://img333.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ddrslot9aa.jpg
From a thread @ the DFI Forums, I'd like to take my fluke to the mosfet, but I am scared I might slip and short something, at least with everything being in the case. I might solder a wire to it with a molex at the other end like I did with my Ultra-D so I can measure vDimm at my whim
Edit: My BIOS reports a much lower vDimm than what I set for it, I don't mind this, but I want to know what the vDimm is, which would involve testing it with a DMM
hehe, i guess you didn't really read the thread :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
it's an ultra-d, AD0. set to 2.73v in the bios, reports around 2.76v, but who knows
Haha, I read it, its been a while, I knew it was a DFI at least :P
These sticks are looking damn nice, I did the suggested settings (nice and tight) and they passed OCCT test and are running Super Pi right now, after that I am pushing the HTT up :banana: :banana:
yeah, i suppose it has.. plus it doesn't help that i don't have the specs in my sig :p:
you still at 250mhz? :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Glad I did not screw it up...:D
Haha yup, I tend to take my time, patience is good, and I'd want to make sure they are stable at stock before pushing and finding out I can't get them stable because of that :P
On a side note I just touched em and they are damn hot, no active cooling yet, I figured 5B-F wouldn't need it, guess I'll have to slap an 80mm on it. Active cooling the memory on this expert is a PAIN with the SI-120 because everything is so crammed, check these out:
http://webpages.charter.net/throughte/pc/ (didn't want to clutter thread with pictures)
At least with my Ultra-D I can easily mount a 92mm fan without any clearance issues (have to switch the top fan to a 120x25mm though)
And thanks for making those charts OPB they helped a bunch :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
NP
on the ultra-D I can do 2.6v@ DDR560
**5/3 or 5/2 should be good for aircooling 5b-f
5/3 or 5/2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I would say 5/3 first, even 7/3
sequence:
7/3--->7/2--->7/auto--->5/3---->5/2---->5/auto
is there any way to sorta.. reconfigure that fan to make it overhang a bunch? :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Not without some mod to the heatsink and/or clips, but now you've got me thinking... lol
One thing I have seen is someone glue a fan to the fan so it overhangs on the side, but in this case it won't fit :(
OPB, does DS and DDS effect the temperature of the memory?:confused:
drive strength is kinda dependant on the ram chips and the memory controller.. when you get the memory controller really cold, it seems to overdrive a bit from what i can tell, so lower drives are needed ;)
but without a phase unit, i'm not real well versed in this. OPB can probably be a bit more explicit :D
Actually, as you get colder, it seems memory controller on the cpu is affected in an adverse way. By lowering the drive strength, you're allowing the IMC to "relax" a bit and less emphasis is placed on it's functions. In turn, the system ends up relying more on the actual DDR's ability to run at that speed and perform necessary calculations.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I'm having a helluva time to get this thing to work on divider when I get my Opty 148 back to 3.36~3.4Ghz, bandwidth is off the roof even when I had the ram at 258 @3-3-3 or @3-4-4, sandra was 8000MB/s+ and memtest was 3150MB/s. I think they're overdriven my memory controller so I'm still trying to relax the timing, these cronus are very strange animal
Just received my new Team TCCD DDR600 and wow. That is all I have to say.
Well, I finally found them! Sticks that are capable of running 1:1 @ 10 X 280.
The Team Xtreem Apollo DDR600 TCCD line. I am currently running windows without a hickup at 280 mhz 2.5-4-4-8. I havent even taken these modules to 303 Mhz yet and the bandwith is insane. I would have to say that these sticks are currently the overclockers best bang for the buck 1gig set. Ben at Tank Guys has them in stock. Here is my initial screenie on first boot into windows, relaxed timings:
http://www.strippoli.com/280mhzTCCD.JPG
Hehehe....you still haven't yet pushed these sticks hard enough ;) Change your TRCD and TRP ->3 and drop the TRAS to 5. I think you'll like those numbers better......Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
I know. That was my conservative boot into Windows. I am just really happy right now finally attaining my 10 X 280 1:1 . :toast: Beers anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
hmmm, maybe you have to raise mal a bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
steve, thanks for the clarification :D
Hey guys,
My PC4000 Cronus arrived today. I immediately set them to these timings:
http://www.hl2online.com/images/pc40...us_timings.JPG
250 was a breeze with 2.6v set in bios. 260, 270 was fine too. Then I went to 275 and got memtest errors, so I upped the vmem to 2.7v (set in bios, not actual). 275, and 280 were clear as bells, but once 285 came along, billions of errors. Setting TRTW = 3 fixed most of them, but I still get 800 or so errors in test #5, and I've tried loosening everything pretty much, even Dynamic Idle Counter. The only thing I haven't really tried yet is messing with the drive strengths. I just set it off to start at 7/3 like my ballistix liked and these seemed to like it too. But maybe in the higher clocks I need to adjust it? Any input would be appreciated. Either way, looks like I have a nice set that likes very tight timings.
(edit: I messed with MAL/RP too and 8ns MAL did very little for stability surprisingly, nothing else seemed to make a difference or made it worse.)
(edit #2: Bios 11/14 btw)
7ns is pretty fast for 280mhz :toast:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
mal/rp were on auto so they're around 12/8.5...
ah, hmm. that's odd... i've yet to really really push the sticks with a divider, as my cpu tops out around 3ghz, which is perfect for me, but i have used it a bit and didn't really have any serious problems. i do wonder what's up for you :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
Sorry to get off thread topic and away from the Cronus, but there is definitely no more negativity out of my mouth. Instead of complaining about not reaching 280, I am currently playing around with 320, 330. Well above my initial goal.
315 Mhz, 2.7 volts, stock relaxed timings:
http://www.strippoli.com/315mhz.JPG
Also, if I keep my speed at 315 and settle with that. Do you guys have any advanced TCCD recommendations as far as timings are concerned?
Thanks.
Dom
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
running on 1:1 at around 3.0Ghz~ is easy stuff, it's a different story when I really crank up the cpu to about 3.40Ghz, it would be much easier if I have more multiplier to play with (ie, fx-60) unfortunately my option is very limited with the 11x locked multiplier, so my memory controller is getting stressed hardcore. I'll have to look for other alternatives to take advantage of these ram so for now I'm pushing for 2.5-3-3-7 at much lower memclock.
can you do 2-2-2 at 200mhz? :toast:
haven't try....running some spi32m at the moment
Try these settings @ 315. These are somewhat tight settings for 315, but your sticks may be capable of it. Give your Vmem a little boost if necessary....Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/420/dom1ou.jpg
i've found that my sticks will fail prime blend faster than sPI 32m.. so i've been using it to do my stability testing while tweaking a lot lately :p:
Thanks for the advice. But the first time I ran memtest I checked out a few timing configurations. My sticks do not like trp - 3 at all. I fail memtest and superpi unless I run 4. Otherwise, I can do cas 2.5 and tras 7 @ 315mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Again, thanks for the response.
NP, trp3 @ 315 is quite hard to do :p: Switch it back to 4, but more than anything please note the TRC setting on my tweaker shot. If you want ANY kind of performance @ all, you'll have to change yours from 17 -> 7 (you'll tend to want to stay away from anything higher as A64 performance will be GREATLY impacted by going any higher ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
Thanks for your help. Again, I apologize for those first two benchmarking pics. I can see that you picked out the 17 TRC. You can call those screenies the conservative automotive tune.. heheQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I left all DFI Settings on automatic and used rated timings @ 2.5-4-4-8 to get 315mhz. I always do this initially when I buy new ram to test the ram in a motherboard/manufacturer completely stock configuration. I usually see how high I can take the sticks without losing stability. From there I begin to tweak. Anyhow, 315 completely stock is definitely impressive in my book. Now back to the Genie Bios..:)
PS- Keep throwing TCCD configuration tweaks at me. I am new to any kind of TCCD stick period.
Regards,
Dom
Tell ya what - if you want some further help, create a separate thread and I'll follow you there ;) We've gotta stop talking about TCCD in this micron thread :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Your right.
Ozzie, OPB, sorry guys. Let me get my azz out of here. When I find out how my Cronus sticks are doing I will post back. :D
Dom
I have some interesting findings:
I bumped my HTT to 280 and wanted to get it memtest error free, and started out at ~600 errors in test 5.
After going through the weak drive and data I found 7/X generated ~195 errors, so I decided to give 8,6/x a go, turns out 8/X gives less than 20 errors, 8/3 giving 6.
From there I started playing with the tRef values, 3684, 4196, and 4672 bringing it down to about 2-4 errors. (still test 5)
I played with idle cycle limit, 32 gives me 1mb/s more, with the same or more stability than 16, while 128 gives more errors and 256 is in between. Right now the timings are loosened up (I wanted to elimante all other variables for the time being). In BIOS my vDimm is set to 2.92 (haha high right?) but in BIOS it reports ~2.8 and windows 2.78. By bumping the BIOS vdimm from 2.87 to 2.92 I got rid of the other errors in test 5 :P I have yet to swap the sticks in the dimm slots or even try my Ultra-D
I tried bringing MAL and RP back down to 7 and 5 but IE has already crashed and hexus_pifast produced errors, so that will be going back up.
Edit: Windows stability is another story :(
Yup thats what I;m using. 8/2 strengths and 3684 tref with 2.9 vdimm. It is COMPLETELY stable. By that I mean i ran a 6 hour long stint in BF2 recently and no problems whatsoever. And that for me is as stable as can be. Borderline stability is at a maximum of 285 no matter what settings I use. With 285 Bf2 crashes at about maybe 3-4 hours.
So, to sum it up, my sticks do 280 3-3-3-8 and I guess im happy. In fact im more than happy as that is quite a good oc up from the stock 250 for a 2Gb set.
Very interesting, can you post your exact settings for 280? (A64, vDimm, DDS/DS)
Thanks man :)
i don't like memtest. it also gave me the least errors with level 8. i get better clocks in windows with 5 though :shrug:
Thank you for saying that, I was hoping someone would give some information around that. After booting into windows and getting so many BSODs I figured it was the drive str, but memtest told me otherwise, have you ever tried the custom PCMark drive str test from Eva?Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
no, never even heard of it actually. what is it?
http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=474
I've used it in the past, it helped slightly with my Ballistix, but in our case, something like this could be key for finding in windows data and drive strengths
damn....I thought I was the only one who needed 2.92v to get this shiit stable at around 275~280. but looks like both Mikal and Tibu also have the same experience....I hope this stuff will last man, that's a lot of vdimm for such low memclock. I would also suggest you guys to bump up your vcore one more notch as well, high vdimm + low vcore = bad!!
I only use memtest as a pretest tool, getting them to run spi, 3d, occt, or prime is another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
thanks, i'll look into it.. probably tomorrow though. for some reason my stomach is feeling quite bleh right now :confused2Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
er, raise vcore for 2.9v? unless you normally run in the 1.1-1.2v range, this seems a bit extreme to me. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
though.. i guess if you keep it cool, let's hope it holds up. not toooo much higher than jedec specs, though it's also a 95nm ic, so.. :stick:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...u/settings.jpg
I have one of those Zalman Fan Brackets with a 92mm high speed fan right over the sticks.
Looks like someone should be hunting for a new PSU soon ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
As soon as I sell my G.skill HX 2GB set... As soon as I sell em :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
no, our cronus needed 2.9v to maintain stability at 275~280mhz memclock. As for vcore, normally if mine takes 1.40 to prime stable, I would bump it up to 1.425v or 1.45v, according to BigToe this will help strengthen the memory controller, if you run high vdimm with low vcore you might end up frying the mem controller. Do a search as this topic has been covered countless time!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
My cronus arrived today FINALLY..
BAD news is that I guess i was in the shower or doing $tuff with the wife when he came because he left a little ticket here saying be back tomorrow :(
guess you don't get to play with new toys tonight....that's a bummer :D the Gskill HZ price has been dropping like crazy, at newegg now it's only $144/pair after rebate so I'll order some just incase these cronus died!!
LOL....I dunno where my head is but I read that as " i was in the shower doing $tuff with the wife"Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
bad steve!! :D :D don't think he would share that sort of information with da overclockars :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Stop you're killing me first the no more cpu's for me and now this...roflmao :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I can't seem to get 280 stable in windows (running memtest while I'm here at school and work)
275 was fine, at ~2.75v?(<- no clue with this expert), I still need more time to tweak though. I tried 5/3 and 7/3 with loosened timings up to 2.92v? and still had BSODs or errors, corrupted my windows registry too ;)
I am thinking of swapping back to my Ultra-D just so I can have a solid mindset of what my voltage actually is and find the max of these puppies.
yours is almost identical to mine then :lol: can memtest 280 all night long without any error, but can't spi32m on windows, vdimm higher than 2.92v is pretty much useless as they do not scale any better once they hit the wall. For more stability, try DQS Skew mode: Decrease, DQS skew: 200, ICL: 256, and set both MAL/RP to auto.
yeah, i'm quite aware of this topic, and have participated in it a few times, but i was under the impression that 2.9v isn't gonna do anything to a cpu running at 1.4v.. i mean the voltage difference between vref and vcore is only .05v... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
mikal, try lower data drive :toast:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
Is your PSU 3.3v rail greater than 3.35v when loaded?
**BTW, don't pop your LDT and chipset volt that high, just keep the default.;)
When try Venus or Expert, just find the proper DDS for Auto first, but NOT DS for Auto.
when measured with DMM the 3.3v is rock solid and didn't noticed any fluctuation, same as 12v and 5v. Ok...I'll leave the LDT and chipset at default :D :D
My 3.3v rail is at 3.3 on the dime, would you recommend raising it a tad? Perhaps 3.36? Whatever I set it to it will not fluctuate, even +/- .01 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
So for the expert find the Data Drive Strength first, then Drive Strength? or Leave DDS at Auto and find DS
DDS as auto first then find the DS first
on my situation is set both auto first and get into the windows and see what your ram strength ---->
see normal or weak, then you have better idea what 's the characteristic of your ram,
that would shrink the hassle when you set your DS..
when you have normal, start from 2 on venus,6 on tradition expert and Ultra-D;
phase change also but still wanna try 4 on venus; 8 on expert and Ultra-D
when you have weak, :
Venus start from 1 then 3 (after you try 1 is stable enough)
expert and ultra-D: start as 5 then 7
DO not use memtest in DOS, that just not relible
Always start DS first and fix the other secondary parameters once a time, don't just copy my template.:D, that only for your reference.:toast:
hahaha - i read it the same way Steve - LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
not to go off topic - but i picked up 2 pairs of the new OCZ's with micron IC's - i'll post my results in another thread - i'm hoping they do as well as these Team Groups :)
Great results all :toast:
Sounds good, I can't wait to get home and play :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I am pretty sure the Micron chip doesn't like "normal "strength too well. so you guys can try from :
Venus: 3/auto or 1/3 even 1/auto
expert and ultra-D: 5/3, 5/2 , or even 7/3~7/auto
I will post in your thread. I have the new OCZ 2GB set running memtest86 as we speak. Hopefully we can compare and get some more certainty as to what the potential is and how to get the most out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
Best of luck
just wanted to double check is this the ram???? http://www.tankguys.biz/team-xtreem-...a774b87bc37eab....... good work by the way very informative....:toast:
Ya that's the stuff
OPB, normaly they do not like normal strength, but I have seen some users get some pretty high clocks with normal
EXCELLENT ADVICE.....as usualy :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
yup, none of the normal work on mine, these micron seems to hate them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Guess i got the only sticks that like Normal strength then :confused:
At least you've received them, mine still haven't arrived :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
That value is also cpu-dependant too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
OPB: Thank you for the advice on setting up drive strengths this really helps me to setup an order to go about figuring out how to get the most out of my sticks. You weren't kidding stephen when you said OPB has more knowledge in the tip of his finger...
Just wanted to tell you guys my results from memtest for 9 hours @ 280
I had 403 errors, I think they were all test 8, but I couldn't scroll up to check it out (or I don't know which button to press :p: )
Test 8 is just a stronger version of Test 5, so I might fiddle with my drive/data on that instead of 5, I don't understand how judging one setting being more stable than another using super pi or prime :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
OK,
here is the general idea how memtest "for me " to do about
1. I only use memtest to know if my hardware setting is wrong
2. Test5 merely told me the primary timings settings
3.test 8 is about everything about voltages settings, LDT, vcore of cpu, vdimm and chipset....
again Don't count on memtest if you wanna tet your system stabilities.
Test 7 is I/O error :p: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
How could you judge if one drive/data strength is more stable than the other via windows? (with the exception of that PCMark test)
Edit:
OPB, would you suggest upping the 3.3v rail to 3.35 or higher? Will it improve stability?
MAN im pizd..
Looks like mine rnt Crouns
Ozzi I set up my cpu-z next to urs and was working my settings up exactly as urs and couldnt come anywhere near what u were getting... I was at 270 same settings as u and crashing bawlz..
SO this is a SS of my cpuz next to urs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...mineandozz.jpg
Just got off the fone with ben from TG and he told me to try to get some help from OPB in Xtreem support so thats where im going now..
Hopefully ill get some assistance soon as im going to shoot some pool in about 30 mins:slapass:
gotta pic of the stix?Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
I would do it for sure, my 3.3v rail ALWAYS @ 3.38v
Will have tomorrow mines currently broken guess its time to buy another digicam, and cell fone cam isnt all that great, ill try it thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Very nice,I may have to get a set of these sticks.
Back on my Ultra-D :cool:
Sounds good, I'll do that right away :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Do you suggest anything with the other rails?
As for Philosophy, my sticks have the same SPD settings, I dunno why they are that way, but it seems like all 06 sticks are like that?
now that i think about it, i've always left my 3.3v rail at 3.4v.. no good reason :shrug:
guess it'll leave it there ;)
philosophy, i guess i'll run down to the support forum and see what's shaking, see if i can help out any too :toast:
edit: you said you're using the same settings? try loosening twtr to 2 and twr to 3.
Folks, please read this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=92928
so no worries about the wrong values showing on the CPUZ...
With my OCZ 2x1GB kit with apparently the same IC's (Mircon -5B F), I am getting 270Mhz 1T 3-3-3-8 stable. 275 is a no go for the moment, I am working on it. This is all at 2.9v.
270 @ 2.9?!?!
I can run 270 with 2.7v with stock timings (the reference OPB made) prime stable overnight, going for 275 right now
Nice. I am sure I can get mine to 270Mhz at a lower voltage. I just read an article saying that 2.8-2.9v was the sweet spot for the Micron IC's and I am trying to get these dimms to 278Mhz. So far, I haven't been able to get 275, but I am working on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Good luck with that, keep us posted.
Linky to the arcticle?Quote:
Originally Posted by SunTzu69
so this is not stable at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
max. stable is? 280?
agreed, i only know of two reviews with teamgroup microns, my own, which show that ~2.7-2.8v is best, and the one at madshrimps :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
also, guys.. these sticks are pretty finiky for settings. just saying that "oh, i can't get past 270mhz with 2.9v" gives me no help at all. ;)
I understand. I appologize but I only have like 10-20 min a day at the moment to play with these because of work. Hopefully this weekend I can take time to try more than "auto" settings. Keep in mind that I have the OCZ dimms, with the same Micron IC's, and so my results might vary based on the fact that they aren't your model/brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
As for the article I read:
http://eclipseoc.com/index.php?id=1,49,0,0,1,0
Quote:
"As a general rule of thumb, it appears that 2.8v is around the sweet spot..."
I think this is your article Mark... By sweet spot it seems that you were referring to about where performance to voltage increase ratio peaked out. I don't want to put words into your article, and so I should correct what I mentioned and say 2.8v as a sweet spot rather than 2.8v-2.9v. The range I gave was my recollection without reading it again and based on my interpretation of the graphs - it seems like additional voltage permits better performance up to 3.0v right? Considering that it would still be under warranty at that voltage, I would have no issue in running that speed with a little fan over the ram... :)
yup, that is indeed mine. it's kinda tough to say where the best settings are. for lower speeds and at 2T, extra voltage over 2.8v does help.. however, once i get to 3-3-3, 1T.. it seems that either my board still can't provide proper power at higher voltages, or heat is becoming too much of an issue. :shrug:
though at 2.5-3-3.. voltage sure does help :D
and i understand the time issues. no rush, it's more just that it's gonna be hard for me to give you much useful advice until i know what you've tried and what you're using :toast:
good luck :D
I assume the answer is yes, but does removing the heatspreaders on TeamGroup memory void the warranty? I'd love to get some better cooling on them if heat is an issue but I wouldn't want to void the warranty on some brand new memory :p: