It was released at $549, as far as ATi told the public. They then told E-Tailers that no one could charge less than $599 until told otherwise for ANY retail card....
Even the 256mb x1800xt is set at $599 at ZZF.
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It was released at $549, as far as ATi told the public. They then told E-Tailers that no one could charge less than $599 until told otherwise for ANY retail card....
Even the 256mb x1800xt is set at $599 at ZZF.
Well it was 550 but they silently elevated that to an even 600. But NVIDIA knows they're charging a lot, which is why they aren't expecting a lot of people buying these cards. I think they're underestimating the market though, because truth is people will pay just about anything for top of the line performance. Because of that, on the flagship cards they can charge just about whatever they want. The idea is performance over anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdat1333
I mean think about CPUs. CPUs can max out at well over $1,000. Graphics cards are much more complicated than CPUs, as they're almost entire systems within themselves, with future memory modules years ahead of their time, and bandwidth and latency in a whole other league than the rest of the system. Even the transistor count of GPUs has surpassed CPUs (unless you count dual core). Graphics cards are just as difficult, if not more so than CPUs to create.
The only difference that keeps graphics cards from the price level of CPUs is importance. Fact is, you can run a computer without a discreet graphics card. You can't run a computer without a CPU. Graphics cards are still a commodity item. Even 3D acceleration, while standard now, isn't essential. This difference in importance keeps a balance with the raw performance and complexity of graphics cards to keep prices high, but still nowhere near that of a top-end CPU.
Very well said Cybercat...
Unfortunately, it won't be long until GPU's reach top-end cpu prices....
I think Windows Vista will have a helping hand it that, making discreet cards the closest thing to essential they've ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
MSRP = Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price
I assume that the retailer can sell it at $0.01 if they can stand the loss.
Prices for top end gpu's has really gone insane lately - especially when 12 months later you pay half the price for the same, or better performance. you could get 2 7800gtx in sli for the same price as you paid for your 6800 ultra 512mb. The mid range isn't so bad - 6800gs looks a bargain, at least compared to modern prices, but they come at a cost that two years ago would have been high end. CPU's have always been overpriced, moreso now that performance wise the gap between a £100 and a £600 chip is so small. At least with graphics there is a performance difference that can partly justify costs, but really both gpu's and cpu's should either cost less, or last longer. Why buy a 7800gtx 512mb now, when by the time the 90nm version is out the 110nm version will be a fraction of its price, and the 256mb versions will be absolute bargains. And these are the reccomended prices - what if an add in board partner wants to release an x1800xt with 1.1ns ram and a souped up cooler - how much extra could they 'justify' charging the consumer?
well considerin i wanna stepup from my GTX, MSRP is all that really matters to me.
Oh well if they charge $650 MSRP for the 512 GTX i guess ill just hold off on steping up
come Q1/Q2 next year when G80 comes out, i should have a job so I'll try to sell my GTX off on ebay/forums
there should still be SOME resale value (i hope :/)
Sean
Sorry for OT:Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Actually, Tim is right, atleast where I am concerned. XS has been horrendously slow for me the last couple of days. Every other site works well.
XS has always been super fast for me aswell, but the last couple of days its been really slow, sometimes it won't even make it to the forum index.
-k0nsl
Same here kOnsl, but what revv is talking about is in terms of how long it takes for a reply to just about anything.
If you post in the AMD section here, you have a reply within 10 minutes almost consistantly.
This site has been having issues lately though, sometimes it doesn't even load, and takes 5 - 10 refreshes to work properly.
Check out the techreport for a nasty story on ATi from back in the x800XL leak out days. They raise the price until they can get enough. They play the supply/price game as well. ATi gouges along with the vendors. You say hey wait for our card it's only going to be $300. Then you charge your vendors $340. Hey... $300 was just suggested retail! You don't need to make money right? :p:
Anyways, there was never much hope from me that they'd be $549.
2X512 GTX at COD2 1600X1200 4XAA 16XANIS, supersampling everything maxed:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...y/shot0097.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...y/shot0104.jpg
Kinda nice =)
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=108
OMG........that is sick :eek: :eek:
50fps? Thats a crap framerate, for £1000 worth of cards, im sorty, but that engine is just plain :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
MSRP on the 512MB GTX is 699.00. Based on what cost is I would not be suprised to see some of the larger E-tailers give the card away at 650.00. (At 650.00 there is not much margin after shipping, credit card processing and overhead.) The biggest issue will be supply. I was told that the cards will be low volume so only time will tell of how many we will see. (When Newegg had them posted they were at 699.00 so at least initially they are selling MSRP.)
799.00 <----vendor trying to make a few extra dollars by selling early.
Its so sick, what will next card be at ?
That is just nuts, where is it gonna stop?Quote:
Originally Posted by AACDIRECT
I'm still gettting one though.....
Based on previous experience, I guess, some extra $50-$100 of MSRP for each new refresh of the existing generation/new generation top-end card. So at the end of next year $1000 will probably be reached, just as some members here have already suggested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
thats the exact reason why it wont stopQuote:
Originally Posted by Tim
MONARCH LISTS THEM
At 699!!!!!!!!!!!
BFG and eVGA
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=190348
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=190492
That BFG is SICK!!!!!! whoa....
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...002/190492.jpg
I am glad that initial spec sheet from eVGA was a pre-release spec. Looks like the nVidia spec is 550/1700. Very nice indeed.
Can't wait for my BFG to show up!
so which brands u guys think .. ive always been a bfg guy .. but people keep telling me they suck .. and xfx is a better brand
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Originally Posted by Starscream
Exactly...the only way to prevent an increase in cost would be for people to refuse to buy them. If they sat on the shelves at 699.00 then the price would have to go down. On the cards there are the same number of chips as the 256MB cards so my guess is that one reason for the cost is the higher density uber ram they used.
2x7800GT is $620 isnt that faster ?
I dont like this at all, this card might ruin the whole future.
when people actually bought 512mb 6800 ultras at $1000 card vendors realised that high end obviously wasnt refering to what people were willing to pay. And with those cards I can only assume people bought them in pairs for sli, as otherwise two 6800 ultra 256's in sli would have been better performing and better value. As long as there are people who are willing to pay, they are going to be people willing to take their money. Just wait and see how the dual 7800gt(x) cards sell.
Yes they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
Some people did buy a single 6800 512 card instead of 6800 SLI. Many un-informed people make poor purchasing choices. I cannot tell you the number of people that bought 6600 256MB cards instead of 128MB 6600 GTs or 128MB 6800 NU cards. The bought them because were under the impression that more video card memory = faster. I am sure everyone here knows that a 6800 128MB card smokes a 6600 256MB card every time. Still does not prevent people from buying.Quote:
Originally Posted by onewingedangel
now the question is, does monarch ACTUALLY have them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
I think they do.....they probably got the cards last week...Friday at last, I don't think any post service delivers on Saturday rofl...Quote:
Originally Posted by vapb400
It's gonna be a Hardlaunch...although not in as much quantity as the 256 GTX launch :)
now if it dropped in price by say $99 I would buy one but $699 is just too much to ask for a card I am going to replace in 2 months anyways...
Bah, if it is really $699 I am not going to bother. That would be $300 to step-up from my old card, nearly as much as it cost in the first place for an increase of maybe 50-60% over my overclocked 7800GT eVGA 256MB @ 485/1160 :(. While I won't be able to get another card likely if I don't do it now (due to pricing and eBay hassles), that's just too much for the increase and in terms of absolute dollars, as well.
It took me an hour to get over the price......in the end I was like F* it.....I work for this stuff.....I'm getting one...and enjoy it..
I've had this 6800GT for like 1,5 years.....this new card will gonna give me alot of fun... :)
You guys really should stop complaining....I''ll have to play close to 1k for this card....that should give you an idea how lucky you guys are in the US... ;)
Just ordered a pair of the BFG 512MB cards...got 2 day air...hope to see them by next Wednesday.
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Originally Posted by Tim
And once you get it, YOU MUST POST SOME BENCHMARKS :D
I wanna be first to see :banana: :toast:
Maze 4 baby :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Will do, should have one on Tuesday, but ALOT of people will have one over here...so it's probably not gonna be special :p: :)
and to think, for some people $1400 is a whole computer...Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
or just the CPU budget
Quote:
Originally Posted by AACDIRECT
2 7800 gts are faster then the single 7800gtx 512 ?
Jet, OF COURSE 40 pipelines will be faster than 24...
well, I think it would depend. For high resolution textures the 512mb version may perform better (not neccesarily in terms of absolute frame rates, but in terms of quality settings at an acceptable frame rate) as the sli cards effectively have 256mb as they have to store even the texture data that the other card uses, so its effectively 40 pipes 256mb memory vs 24 pipes and 512mb memory both clocked far higher, undoubtedly each will have situations where it has advantages.
ahhh im so confused lol
48 pipe sli gtxs 256
or single 24pipe 512mb
high res max settings .. 1920x1200
wait until there are reviews with a comparison in the games/apps that you are likely to use at the resolution and settings you would like to use.
Sounds obvious, but its the only way to be sure.
if those are the choices than...the first one is the obvious choice to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by jetjaguar
Heheh, most people aren't XS! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
...wait a minute. i have to correct this! for the MOST people $1400 is a uber HIGH-END rig :D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
I bet some company will release a 600/1800 version. I'm gonna wait around to see what each of the companies release and take the best one in my price range.
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Originally Posted by DilTech
Uh oh, I think we have seen this argument before. Hmm, but where? I think GreySkull will want some words with you.
40/24 = 1.66
24/16 = 1.50
Higher clocks and higher RAM compensate for pipeline bandwidth, so the story goes. :D
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Originally Posted by texuspete00
WTF? How do you charge vendors $340? Then where does the vendor get the profit?
BTW, ZZF sells X1800XT for $549, last time i checked, which imo proves the "raising price" theory is wrong.
heh... to some people that's a whole car! or maybe a house in the 3rd world.. whew... ANyways, as far as video cards go, I will use a quote: "speed's just a matter of money, how fast do you wanna go" (from: Mad Max)... $1400'll get ya going real fast. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
What's the maximum? Where will it end?
Theorietical question: If you could increase speed at a 1:2 (performance:price) ratio, how far would you go?
Far enough so that I had a video card which could run a Holodeck.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
ya know a 6600256mb smokes a 6600gt in any new game right?Quote:
Originally Posted by AACDIRECT
who cares if a 6600gt gets more 3dmarks or more counterstrike fps lol
try to play battlefield 2 on either card the 6600 256mb smokes the gt by 40% fps and much much less stuttering and pausing!!
i would never never recomend a 6600gt over a 6600256mb unless the person was just gonna play counterstrike or call of duty or quake 3 or something
in new games the 6600 gt will have to run lower settings it may get higher fps but who cares thats not what gaming is about its about good fps and getting good gfx
________
SMOKE OUT
Quote:
Originally Posted by brandinb
You really should do your research before you open up your mouth
Its the other way around. :slap:
http://www.hothardware.com/viewartic...leid=744&cid=2
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/276/
noway does the extra 128mb give it 40% fps
The 6600 256MB DDR2 can certainly be overclocked to near GT speeds, even on the memory. 256MB is definitely needed these days for modern games, so I'd say it's a better deal than the 6600GT.
he knows what he's talking about. You ever actually try to play BF2 at high settings with 128MB? It's a nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
Let's stay on topic here. We should be seeing reviews hit the web tonight.
Perkam
Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Still holding a candle for a lower MSRP than $699. When do you think we would start seeing some reviews? Midnight EST?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
Shadow, QUIT IT NOW...
I'm sorry, but you've posted this nonsense 8 different times, and it's ALL a lie.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=326825
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=321718
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=324571
2 X1800xt 512mb, at ZZF, RETAIL box, $699.
X1800xt, 256mb, at ZZF, RETAIL $599.
Look mom, same price as the 7800gtx 512mb cards...hmmmm.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=326831
X1800XT OEM 512mb, $549.
OEM isn't retail, OEM goes lower than retail for distributors to make their "profit" off of it....
You've posted saying ZZF sells at $549, claiming it to be retail, and we've ALL told you you're wrong... Now, don't let me have to tell you this again... I'm getting tired of having to do so.
a guy on hardforums has two 512mb GTXs in SLI...
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....4&page=1&pp=20
unfortunately, he exceeded his image hosting BW for the day, and all of his images do not show... also, his system is ok, but it no power house, so I think it's holding his cards back... he only got a 12.5k on 3Dmark05... prolly some tuning and maybe new drivers might help.. but I think his FX53 @ 2.58ghz is just not powerful enough to really let those cards fully open up... perhaps one of the new Nforce4 16x mobos would help also.. hrm...
FreeCableGuy right in our own forums will be posting results with the same cards later in the week.Quote:
a guy on hardforums has two 512mb GTXs in SLI...
Perkam
i kind of expected sampsa to post results right when the NDA expiredQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
yep - this is the calm before the storm. :)
Me too, but I'll try and stay awake until some reviews pop up on the netQuote:
Originally Posted by zabomb4163
:coffee: :D
The Inq has some more news :) Loooooooking good :D
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27656
2 GMT ;)
Mwah, ₤460, could be off worse I guess :)Quote:
Nvidia renamed its G70 Ultra and decided to name its new card Geforce 7800 GTX 512 and set some sky high prices. The card should be available tomorrow for a minimum of ₤460 in UK, €649 in EU and $649 in the US.
Don't bother staying up, reviews are coming at 2PM Greenwich Mean Time.
Ok, big news guys.....I just came off the phone with my dad....he's standing in Sim Lim Square (Singapore) right now......
All the shop owners said it will take a month before they will get them......so yea, limited availability is true...
If anyone doesn't know what Sim Lim Square is....that's the place of the nVIDIA shop competition...the whole warehouse is nVidia....I'm shocked.
http://www.mingalaronline.com/images...Lim-Square.JPG
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2890
Ok, big news guys.....I just came off the phone with my dad....he's standing in Sim Lim Square (Singapore) right now......
All the shop owners said it will take a month before they will get them......so yea, limited availability is true...
If anyone doesn't know what Sim Lim Square is....that's the place of the nVIDIA shop competition...the whole warehouse is nVidia....I'm shocked.
http://www.mingalaronline.com/images...Lim-Square.JPG
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2890
Now this doesn't necessarily means that the cards won't be there for purchasing online....I just thought that it was very odd that Sim Lim Square doesn't have one card....he visited many shops, they even called the distributor.....same reply everywhere...
The Leadtek distributor said that it will be available today. Ask your dad to go to Fuwell or Cybermind in Sim Lim Square to try and find the card :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
Edit: Just got off the phone with the Leadtek distributor. They will be receiving the stock today and Sim Lim Square's shops will have the cards tomorrow. :)
Tim are you in shock ?
hmm well the first review compares it to a 6600gt 256mb which is rare! and the second review shows it faster or even but pretty much a tie but they do not show the battlefield 2 results where the fps difference is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinnacle
anyways on high settings the where the 6600gt gets 30-35fps the 6600-256 will get around 40-45fps and that difference is not 40% i exagerate but it is huge!
i think we can both agree it is faster in newer games and a much better deal especially if you consider overclocking!!!!
anywasy for teh 7800gtx-512mb
will anybody that sees a online shop with good availability please post it here so we can jump on it ok hehehe
________
Uggs
Damn......my dad is going to the airport right now....was his last day there :(Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
(I'm not in shock, just shocked that they didn't have it there)
Aw well...guess I'll have to pay the premium here ;)
Here is was my 7800 GTX 512MB cards did. Reviews are going up so I should be OK to post this. I will have pictures of the cards without HSF shortly.
Here is my 3dmark05 score. Both cards with stock HSF. A 120MM fan blowing on them. (The 1st card gets very hot do to the lack of space on the SLI-DR.) The CPU is a FX57 @3GHz 250FSB, DDR500 2GB of RAM. I would publish this but the driver I am using is not FM approved yet. The system also broke 10K single card.
AACDIRECT LiquidXS 7800 GTX 512MB SLI
System Configuration
General Information
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP
DirectX Version 9.0c
Mobo Manufacturer DFI Corp,LTD
Mobo Model LP NF4 Series
AGP Rates (Current/Available) N/A / N/A
CPU AMD Athlon(tm) 64 3001 MHz
FSB 201 MHz
Memory 2046 MB
Display Information
Graphics Chipset Generic VGA
Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX
Driver Version 8.1.8.9
Driver Status Non WHQL - Not FM Approved
Video Memory 512 MB
Core Clock 598 MHz
Memory Clock 1800 MHz
Benchmark Settings
Program Version 3DMark05 Revision 2 Build 0
Resolution 1024x768@32 bit
Anti-Aliasing None
Texture Filtering Optimal
Vertex Shader Profile 3_0
Pixel Shader Profile 3_0
Force Full Precision Off
Disable DST Off
Disable Post-processing Off
Force Software Vertex Shaders Off
Color Mipmaps Off
Repeat Count Off
Main Test Results
3DMark Score 14382 3DMarks
CPU Score 6342 CPUMarks
Detailed Test Results
Game Tests
GT1 - Return To Proxycon 51.9 fps
GT2 - Firefly Forest 41.0 fps
GT3 - Canyon Flight 89.5 fps
CPU Tests
CPU Test 1 2.9 fps
CPU Test 2 6.2 fps
I'm not impressesed. I just saw the price of these units at Tigerdirect.ca and there asking $1000.00 Canadian.
This is way that I look at it.
If you have the money it's still a waste for such small improvements, in comparison to the ATI's or just the stand alone 7800gtx 256.
If you don't have the money but still intend to buy it at that price, then you should commit yourself to the local nut house.
No one should support these nut heads for coming out with these cards at those prices.
I guess XTREME is no longer a welcoming home for me if I'm the only one who thinks like at this level.
Get a life.
I live in Canada to and $1000 is really expensive ;-)
But it was expected....
Xtreme usually says something about one's wallet nowadays....long gone are the old times ;)Quote:
I guess XTREME is no longer a welcoming home for me if I'm the only one who thinks like at this level.
Get a life.
Only reason for bying this card right now is:
1.You want to take down the ORB.
2.Your bill gates.
If i could afford it i would at least wait a weak or two and see what happens with price.
Forceware 81.94 at Nvidia Download X32
# Adds support for GeForce 7800 GTX 512 and GeForce 6800 GS
# Improved performance for Quake 4
# Improved performance and compatibility for Call of Duty 2
# Mixed vendor support for NVIDIA SLI.
# TV-Out/HD-out support for NVIDIA SLI.
# Added support for VSync on Direct3D games when running NVIDIA SLI.
# Performance enhancements for dual-core CPUs.
# PureVideo high definition MPEG-2 de-interlacing support.
# Usability enhancements when connecting to an HDTV.
(3.You sold your 7800GTX for one)
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Originally Posted by Ubermann
3. You sold your 7800GTX for one. :stick: :slap:
Ok you just ruined my post =)
Welcome!
Hahaha really? :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
I dont find it in many stores.
I thought it was gonna be all over the place but where it it ?
No problem on availability here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
I think tomorrow will be the day that alot of stores update their sites etc...even if it's a hardlaunch..they always are slowish...
ca 25 xfx xxx 7800gtx 512 cards was ripped away in 10-15 min from Norwegian webshops, i got myself a bastardos but for those that want it now it seems they have to wait for a week or two, but then they are coming in huge amounts.
I payed 6600 kr for it, and its going to be worth evry penny.
Well I think it is worth it even from a GTX 256, but hay that is just me, I put in a order for the BFG OCed one and they said it would be shipped out on wednesday and with two day air I could have it by friday.
SilverQuest and the rest of the gentlemen here who have ordered one are more than encouraged to make a thread in the Xtreme 3d section with oc results ;) We'd love to know how the different brands perform from you guys :)
Perkam
ok, no problem, and I will push that thing as far as it will standQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Very strange unless Retailers are just trying to rape us. I called a distributor that I deal with and they have a skew number for an MSI 7800gtx 512mb for $689.00 instead of $1000.00 that I've seen. Now that's not too bad ( I am a bit insane but not totally ).
Will do Perkam, but it wont get it before tomorow becouse of the lava speed on the Norwegian mail system (2 days to deliver, and its a 2 hours drive from me)
$700 Canadian? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
Yup, I placed an order and will see what happens. I usually buy from them for other components relevant to my job but they have a huge computer supply department that deals with computer stores across the GTA.
This is the unit:
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...il.php?UID=708
Of coarse they have no stock. I emailed my rep for information.
I got lucky mine is shipping out on time and should be here by friday but a lot of poeple are getting this
"Dear Monarch customer,
We wanted to make you aware of the status of the order you placed for the 7800 GTX 512. We have currently over sold on this product, and will be full filling as fast as we can get this product in. NVIDIA expects only a minor delay of this card, ETA on each is about one to two weeks. I have a small shipment of BFG's for those who ordered it coming in the next couple of days. Please remember you will be the first to receive allocation of this product because you have an order with us. If you have any more questions, you can visit the forums http://www.monarchcomputer.com/forum...&threadid=6271 and we will respond as quickly as we can. you can also contact me directly at this email address. Again we are very sorry for the shortage, but we are prepared to help you in anyway we can."
just installed 7800gtx 512 xfx xxx but evrything is totaly blue, from boot to xp screen anyone?
oh darn - this smell like a long RMA, just my luck. Anyone heard anything abaut this before i send it back?
I got mine and runs fine at 630/1850
3dMark05 -10022
Cancelled mine. As soon as the were some available the price jumped to $790 Cnd...not worth it for me so I purchased the Leadted 7800gtx 256 for $500 Cdn.
Biggest problem is that there won't be stock for a few weeks on top.
I got blue screen becouse of the lcd-vga adapter didnt work, used the other one and all is fine.
Its a damm good card and im running on 600 - 18000 getting a 3dmark 05 score 9760 on a oc 3500 venice :banana:
Damm i think i just fell in love
You sure you were looking in the right places ?? They have them here for the same price as in US$$: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...8819&sku=16805 - Connect3d X1800XT 256MB for $600CDN. But yea, not in stock :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
Perkam
I meant the nvidia 512 but either way, there's no stock at NCIX for the ATI and I'm not interested in there product.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I returned the Leadtek as well and bought a 256 version of the GTX from this forums FOR SALE section ...the price is right and will wait for a better product.
I was at our Local PC Show just now.......the XFX 7800GTX 512mb XXX Edition is goin for US$970 :slapass:
WTF man..... :nono:
That is absolutely nuts.....pricegouging... :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
Yeah, you have to be careful. For a few weeks tigerdirect.ca had 3 different 7800 gtx 512's for $944.00 ($810 U.S) each.
I was finally able to get my hands on an MSI 7800gtx 512 for $800($686.00 U.S).