Screwed by NCIX.
I just canceled my order through them. They are too full of excuses.
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Screwed by NCIX.
I just canceled my order through them. They are too full of excuses.
As was expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avid6eek
OT: what kind of cooling do you have on that x2?
you don't get it mate................i wasn't having a go at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 20AEGTI
I'm not surprised the poor guy is feeling under the weather, a whole bunch of enthusiasts jumping on his back saying give me my crossfire bios, give me my expert board, give me give me he's probably worn out!Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
uhh its not exactly a gimme. People actually pay for their boards.
They pay for the boards after they come out, however these have not if anyone is to blame it is the vendors for jumping the gun. I was designing test PCB sets for my work about 3 weeks with constant pressures to get it done and make sure it works just right on the first try, and that was already very taxing on me, I can't imagine what it is like to do so day in and day out (I get to do other fun stuff like write software and testing most of the time).
However if what Tony said about this board being similar to the CF-DR board, somewhere in that thread, and also that there isn't a fundamental difference in the way SLI and Crossfire work except for the chipset used, there's a lot of cutting and pasting that can go on =P.
The one thing that really bothers me about the whole cutting edge computer biz is the "launch" of a product, and I am referring to this one specifically which launched in september, before it is finalized. Then again, I say oh yeah it will be done in 2 days, but then more design changes come up which delays things. Anyways, it is part of the job!
With all that being said, Give me my sli-dr expert!
Lapped Danger Den TDX - IHS removed - 1.75vQuote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
NCIX are crooks. I cancelled my order as well.
(So, move along folks, nothing to see here :rolleyes: )
i would like to know if any "Expert" mobos available in other countries ?? :confused:
this mobo had already delayed for 1 month in Hongkong.... :slapass:
here is what one of our retailers said this morning about ETA
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Originally Posted by PLUSCORP
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Originally Posted by Avid6eek
Isnt 1.75 phase cooled voltage? :stick:
heat is a byproduct of the increased voltage. If you can keep the heat under control, you can provide the processor with more voltage. My load temps stay below 40C with 1.75v and the system runs Prime stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
It depends on how long you want the chip to last...Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
You could Run on Air 2.8v but I don't believe it will last long enough to post...
So what's the latest on this motherboard?
:dammit: still no word :confused:
Was there a major problem with the board found before release?
"Originally Posted by PLUSCORP
Spoke to the Disti Friday night, boards are shipping out on 2nd November, via Air Service door to door at an additional cost which they are absorbing and not passing on to the reseller or end user, Will ask again as the date gets closer, if you intend ordering when stock lands, you may find there already pre-sold, don't say I did not warn you"
Uhhh... pre order from where? certainly not ncix :rolleyes:
I don't see any distributers listing this board yet.
Pluscorp is in Australia I believe.
Confirmed as of today:
"I don’t have a release schedule because our engineers are doing some rework on the board."
Just be patient for the master piece; Oskar has been working too hard as he was going to hospital due to his blood pressure problem.:)
For those who concern about current NF4 series bios, Oskar also told me he will working on that. I will check with him today later.
Hmm hope the board wont have any problems at release. If so will have to purchase the SLI-Dr
WHy doesn't ANYONE have any information on this supposed "rework" that they had to do??? Is it the nVidia bug which causes hard drive corruption? Did they decide to go BACK to their original plan and include the Promise controller and dump the Silicon Image controller??
WE NEED ANSWERS! :fact:
I'm sure you'll get the answers when the board is released!
im hoping it was to switch to the promise controller, personnaly i want crossfire more then sli, but promise chip will move me definetly to the NF4...
on the other hand, i find it very likely that the bios needs more tweaking and oskar being sick is a big part of the delay...
wonder how much longer he will stay at DFI if they keep pressuring him like that. He might go over to Asus where things are "simpler." :) Asus quality plus Oskar design and bios.
I think we are pressuring him indirectly more than DFI.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
I'd rather have them fix trouble before they release the board.
Sounds fine to me, they never made a formal promise.
Not gonna happen for sure. The board is finished with r&d so it's waay too late. (Also, if there was any chance of that happening in the past, I would have heard so from a friend @ Promise.) The only changes they'll make now are ones which are minor. If there is a major change needed for the board, it basically won't get released at all.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Nah, Oskar was made for this kind of work. Something that most people here don't know - Oskar didn't just "appear" on the scene with DFI. In fact, he was the one who designed Abit's BE6 back in the P2/P3 days. Btw, he did this WHILE STILL IN COLLEGE.... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Got that 1 hour ago. Not sure what to make of it. Other than I'm still excited about this board.Quote:
Hi Da-key,
Our engineers are making final touches on the board, so I do not have the release date yet. But I will let you know when I have an update.
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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
yeah he designed the nf7-s and the ic7-g too didnt he? abit's last good boards imo.
s7 you and OPB sure do know more about Oscar and these products than most of us here......you'd probably know what these "minor" changes are as well.....care to share :pQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Then it means another 2 months wait peroid. :(Quote:
Our engineers are making final touches on the board, so I do not have the release date yet. But I will let you know when I have an update.
i hope this will be the ultimate OCing board NF4 with everything we need :D
yes i'd sure rather see 350+ HTT 1:1 @ some cool TCCD timings or 300+ HTT @ 2-2-2-5 w/ one of them cool tight timings rams than 4x512 @ 1T all at super cold OR air cooled temps w/ any processor of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
^ Punctuation is your friend. ;)
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Originally Posted by Weee
WOW :nono: WOW
Periods ( . ) - Commas ( , ) - Punctuation & Grammar is your friend! :fact:
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Originally Posted by Onepagebook
is OSKAR the one and only competent engeneer DFI can afford??? If it is so, we have to worry a lot! This could explain why my nf4 SLI-DR did not get a new bios (beta or official) after 623-3. I am very very worried about DFI future if they think to put the whole R&D in the hand of a single genius. Oskar is surely one of the best engeneer but in no way he can handle all the design and bios programming of all the best DFI ATI and nVidia boards!!! this is an absurd situation! DFI YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MORE ENGENEERS!!!! :nono: :slapass:
I think its a good thing to wait longer, as it means they are sorting issues before it is released not after :) I can wait :D
thats simply not ture!!Quote:
Originally Posted by arrarro
there are the few ex Abit engineer who join DFI also :p: (the person who design IC7G)
so in future DFI will certainly grow stronger than you ever imagin!!
hell Look at ASUS's famouse A8N SLI-Deluxe :fact: still plenty of stock left in the Reduced price :woot: just who going to buy that :confused:
and not to mention people have done their research on Newest powerful component will buy DFI NF4 as their first choice :cool:
and i mean Oskar is working too hard already!!
RD480+SB450 is the awful chip to working with in the first place :slap: dont even have to mention the buggy SB450!!
but Oskar tune and tune to make OC even possiable!! this is infact a Truth!!
why didn't we see TCCD 2.5 3, 3, 5 1T on the RDX200 board??
beside look at ASUS done to their Crossfire board??
Asus Crossfire A8R-MVP
http://theinquirer.net/images/articles/asuscfn.jpg
well another ASUS Buggy design :slapass:
I can wait for the Expert. No rush. DFI should send Oscar on a one month retreat to a spa that specializes in teaching stress management, diet and exercise. Take care of the goose laying the eggs. :D Bios updates on the DFI ATI mobo? That can wait too.
I can't wait. Ordering the rest of my system now except the motherboard. One shop here in Norway (netshop.no) just postponed from delivery from 05.11.2005 to 30.11.2005 (unconfirmed deliery ofcourse). I hope a friend will lend me a board while I wait... :(
Yes right after he delivers nf4 sli expert =) I'll even buy his first drink for himQuote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
all these new mobos coming out will have short lifespans as socket M2 is coming out.
It makes me wonder why AMD is pushing socket M2 so quickly upon us. I am all for new technology, but I still think 939 is in its primetime. I wish AMD would realize what a successful platform they have built with 939 and keep it as their active socket for at least until Q3 2006.
Just my 2 cents.
When will AMD be going to the socket M2? You are right socket 939 is a superb platform. :clap:
Probely Q1 or Q2 2006Quote:
Originally Posted by revlimiter9000
Around this time next year we will start to see a lot of boards and cpus, etc. Plus it is never smart to buy the new socket as soon as it comes out. A few people here always do that but there are always bugs. Plus if you wait much better motherboards come out in a month or two.
Thanks for the replies. I guess I'll be AMD shopping this time next year again. :rolleyes:
Five letter word for AMD's greatest fear, Intel. And M2 I suppose is meant to combat that, As the current situation with Intel won't last forever, One day after after 2006 Intel will wake up and come out with a new chipset and and an AMD64 like cpu(almost a clone with no more fsb). Heck AMD is already talking about quad core cpus as this is so far something intel can't just throw together, Like they did with their Frankenstein monster of a cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
Just ordered the X2 4400+, OCZ Powerstream 520 and DFI expert board today he told me I can get all of them by tomorrow. I doubt that he gives me the right detail but I will let you guys know if I actually did (i am still doubting).
Thats not necessary man. You have to understand nothing stays top dog for long. Next year at this time the new wave of M2 mobos will be out. Most will suck or be buggy. Remember the A64 boards? No locks. It is going to take a while for everyone to figure out which settings yield greatest OC. But 2-3months after even better boards and CPUs will come out for M2.That is the best time to buy. IMHO best time to buy the sckt 939 was with release of FX-57 and the DFI ultra-d or sli-drQuote:
Originally Posted by revlimiter9000
They probably fear that the market for DDR RAM dries up when all Intel platforms use DDR2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
Their current cost advantage could turn to the opposite.
And that semi-mess with socket 939 and more than 2 GB RAM needs cleaning up. Usin 4 sticks in 939 is not consumer-proof reliable enough.
Got a reply from my distro and apparently I am right, they've made a mistake. Anyways, I will be waiting for this baby to arrive and hopefully soon enough after delaying for about a month.
I already have 2 rigs running and I am waiting for the M2 to come out so that I can have a third one. Of course I won't sell any of my rigs. They're all used 24/7. Talk about multi-tasking. :slobber:
Well im buying a FX-57 and with a Vapochill modded by bb mods I should be able to push 3.4~3.5ghz 24/7 if I am lucky. I dont want to wait a year or even 8months for the M2. I am tired of my signature rig. Dont have the prommy any more though.
let the man take his time, some of these comments were truly ridiculous. wow.
anyways a more regular comment related to this mobo. i dunno if this has been posted before: will the board offer a bios with options similar to the crossfire board? small increment steps on the voltages and vdimm up to 4ish volts?
Well Bytewise supposed got some in already and are selling. Beware cause the shipping charges are very steep. Passed on trying it out to see if they were telling the truth or not when I saw the shipping.
6 days - ~$120
11 days - ~$34
That is a little much for me. Have at it if you want to try it out.
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If you mean mine then your mistaken beause that is always the issue. Many have experiences this and agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by el rolio
I'm not particularly worried about M2 because I'm not really seeing the performance or other benefits that it offers. To me, high end DDR sticks are better than DDR2 sticks.
I'm wondering whether this delay is to add new features (maybe they're worried about the competition releasing 16x/16x SLI) or whether they're just fixing mistakes.
I doubt the delay is a result of a massive change to the product (such as a completely different chipset arrangement for 16x 16x SLi). Most likely, Oskar needs a break and the board is being reviewed and tested for the ugly issues that reared their heads after the SLI-DR was released.Quote:
Originally Posted by jermaink
Same here, Me I think AMD is going to be making the transition to socket M2 for when DDR1 production ceases, If the DDR1 ram does stop being made at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jermaink
Sure It will mean there will be one AMD socket eventually, Which If AMD had thought of It in the first place We'd already have It, But that's life and hindsight is usually 20/20.
I just wanted to apologize if my posts went off topic. Won't happen again. :D
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Originally Posted by xgman
according to that article .. says should be this week .. i definitely love the layout of this board
DFI is getting their SLI-DR Expert board ready for mass availability this week and will use the current nForce 4 SLI chipset instead of the new nForce 4 SLI X16 chipset. Reason cited is that there is no performance benefit running two x16. The layout of the SLI-DR Expert board is different from the current one with changes made to the CPU socket, DIMM slots, PWM area. According to DFI, it is meant to improve overall heat dissipation. The x16 slots are now wider and the SLI mode is digitally controlled that will bring more convenience to the SLI users. The emphasis of this board is on the memory aspect where it can support 4 sticks of 1GB DDR400 memories at 1T. The memory voltages option in the BIOS is further enhanced with finer steppings for eg. 2.80, 2.83, 2.87, 2.9V.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
WTF??? Is this true??? I do not want the same board I already have with wider spaces!!! :slapass: :nono:
good news! u need to work on ur reading skill... did you not read there are other numerous improvements?Quote:
Originally Posted by arrarro
well rest easy in the fact that the only thing similar is the chipset, there is a completly new power regulation circuits, for cpu and ram. 4 phase power on the cpu instead of 3 phase, should make for colder mosfets and more stable voltage. ram draws permanantly off of the 5v line, so no need for jumpers, should be more stable voltage once again due to the 4 phase circuits, pretty sure dfi copied ATI's idea in that respect.
also, expect the bios to be tweaked more for high density sticks or utt sticks rather then low density TCCD, lower overall tccd clocks but it should provide better performance atlower voltages with better timings... maybe itll even equal out in the end... just look at the RDX-200, imo itll be just like that...
You seemed to have missed the pack of similar thoughts in the last 20 pages. :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by arrarro
Can't wait for the board to come out. I've been eyeing up dual core AMD boards since March. I'm totally new to the AMD scene, coming from a Pentium 4 platform (see the sig). Hopefully newegg will get it soon and I'll make that "buy" button glow. Its time for a new computer!!!
almost every socket 939 board supports dual core. I don't see why it has to be this one in particular. Unless this is the only board u want.
Yeah even My MSI K8T Neo2-F supports dual core and the 9.2 Bios has support built in too and yes I have 9.2 in the Bios, I have other things to spend money on before I get an X2 cpu, Such as this small list:
1. $248.68 1-AMD 246 E4 Opteron 2.0GHz cpu(OSA246BLBOX/Dec 2005)
2. $_15.00 Scratching Post(for Angel My cat, Jan 2006)
3. $107.00 Car Insur renewal(Jan 2006)
4. $109.70 Enermax EG651P-VE FMA 550w psu(for zoom2, Feb 2006)
5. $248.68 1-AMD 246 E4 Opteron 2.0GHz cpu(OSA246BLBOX/Mar,[117.51],Apr[117.52],May[13.65]2006)
6. $106.00 Install AC Clutch(Lube express, Barstow CA,May[101.30], Jun[4.70] 2006)
7. $345.30 Fix Car AC (Barstow @ Norms Garage, Jun[135.3],Jul[70],Sep[140] 2006)
8. $194.00 Car Insur renewal, Smog and DMV(Jul[70],Aug[124] 2006)
9. $799.00 AMD Athlon64 X2 4800 2.4GHz cpu(for zoom2, Oct-Dec06,Feb-Apr07[133.17x6])
Or $2173.36 for everything, Of course this could change, But It would require a check to come from My Aunt for Chistmas(Which she usally does as I'm Her only living blood relative and Yes She can afford that much about every 6 months or so), But I don't see that happening at all anytime soon due to Her having a stroke recently that affected Her Memory, At least She remembers who I am so far and may remember to do what She said She'd do around December money wise(It was Her suggestion, Who am I to refuse such a gift?).
So My plate is pretty full already, All the way into 2007. :brick:
Yep, its the only one I want. I only am allowed a new system every 2 years according to the wife, so I gotta make em count. And I want the one with the best potential for overclock since I have to stretch it...heheQuote:
Originally Posted by situman
Well if thats the case, don't jump on it right away. Let the pioneers reveal whatever problems its hiding.
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Originally Posted by arrarro
How come this article:
http://hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=739 second to last page
clearly shows a major difference from dual x8 and dual x16?
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Originally Posted by The Bossman
You're right - it does...why DFI claims otherwise i don't know, but we can't really change that now...the ONLY performance increase is seen in SLI-AA and thats because of the huge amount of bandwidth required because the cards need to talk to one another through the PCI-X16 bus. I really wish however that they would bench more than just Far Cry at SLI-AA settings to see how other games react. I think if you try and run any NEW game, like Battlefield 2 or F.E.A.R. at SLI-AA levels of 16x...you're not going to get playable FPS no matter what. Of course, i'm personally not a huge gamer and I don't really like SLI so i'm probably a bit biased in my views.
I think bottom line is that DFI has engineered this board, it is in the final phases of being checked over and heading out to be mass produced. Arguing over their poor choice of using the "old" NF4 chipset over the dual-16x chipset (like we did several pages back) is really a mute point. Lets just hope that they bring us a board that fixes the issues that their original NF4's suffered from and most of all, better overclocking potential. :toast:
probably just suits their strategy....if they had a full 2x16x board out they'd be singing a different song i'm sureQuote:
Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
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Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
^^ hehehe he said "mute"
soo......where's da Expert? weekend is almost here already....hehe :D :D :D
My thoughts exactly :D ... and I have 2 optys 144 waiting
http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?o...tid=197&page=3
Looking through all the benchmarks, the difference between standard SLI and 16x SLI appear to be pretty small. But future games will probably begin to make use of the extra bandwidth.
Where can I buy one? Thanks.
Found a Preorder Link for the DFI Expert.
I know that many people here want this Mobo since long.
Go Grab it.
http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/7/759/10473
Cost:- $212.47
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This item has not yet been released. You may order it today, and we'll ship it to you when it arrives at our warehouse. This item will be available in 11 days (Tuesday, November 15th, 2005).
I think you make a good point where as using SLI AA and such it's going to be tough to get any "real world" playable performance at all (ATM) so using this as the reasoning to say the 16X chipset is a lot better hold's very little h2o.. imoQuote:
Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
There goes the SLI-AA advantage of 16x2 PCI-E lanes...
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2589&p=11
Please have any news about this mb? When it will avaible? Thanks
I think they're already available ;)
This thing better love my 148. Damnit.
where's yours......WWM is stuffing us around.....or he's having some issues cause there aren't any posts from him from initial 4xdimm test :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
OPB and I haven't gotten our boards yet.......maybe that means something?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
yeah maybe but it's pretty hard not to believe it when you see physical shots of the board and tests....anyways i don't really give a :banana::banana::banana::banana:.....i just want to see someone finally get this board and tell us the verdict.....if good, bad, :banana::banana::banana::banana:, sex on the beach.....whateverQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I don't think we will see this board ship until the 15th. :rolleyes:
it's December in AustraliaQuote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
freecableguy your avatar is hilarious.
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Originally Posted by freecableguy
I will let you see might be these couple dyas;)
don't do a WWM on us hehehehQuote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
:rolleyes: :stick: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
:slap: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nop
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Originally Posted by dinos22
ROTFL :ROTF:
Hmm maybe WWM has been kidnapped :eek: / chipnapped / boardnapped / chipfried :shock2: