go to Fry's Electronics, buy one, test it, put yours in box and return it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
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go to Fry's Electronics, buy one, test it, put yours in box and return it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
And how far are we? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
ROFL, you can do that? will you get the same money back? Ima go buy a 3800+then put a 3000+, :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
you can do that but its super lame and its when people do stuff like that that drives the price up for all of us
IMO a hella lot farther than we were when it was, "umm my 3000+ has unlocked multipliers..." response " :YIPPIE: :cheer: :confused: :confused: :confused: "Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
Before this thread noone had a very coherient theory of how this was to happen (i could be wrong, but i know how i found this thread)
now as far as i know were all still looking for AMD BSDL files correct?
Has anyone thought of getting chummy with an AMD tech or MB bios programmer, you guys that live somewhere other than colorado
Is there anyway of brute forcing this crap out of a proc? or are we totally :owned: if we cant find this out?
ROFL, Ima do that in best buy.........LMFAO :rofl: :D ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Super strokey
No, they do LOOK at it, unless you change the HSFs carefully, or whatever those things are calledQuote:
Originally Posted by iS.Terminator
Niggatory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Super strokey
Fry's has liek a 7% expectancy of stolen goods.
This is less than a drop in the sea.
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Originally Posted by Acrazar
Ok... But, realistically, we still don't know what caused it :(
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Originally Posted by KoHaN69
i dont think looking at pirs CPU is the purpose of this thread anymore, we pretty much chalked it up to freak incident and shifted to unlocking the rest of ours. Now if we could get ahold of pirs cpu we might be able to figure something out,
did he end up selling it?
im stocking his ebay accountQuote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...em=-1&frm=1883
if thats him, then no, not on ebay at least :toast:
i hope he keeps it in the comminity, id hate to see a thing of beauty like a CPU unlocked by a mousepad and an ashtray. go to a guy whos looking for a good deal on ebay and knows just enough about OCing to get that unlocked= good.
I don't understand all the techinal jargon here.. but good luck guys. I hope when you guys find a solution it'll be easy enough for everybody to do it and doesn't require taking off the cover and all that..
it's not him, He's from Czech Republic and in the ebay account it's germany ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
I would very happy to unlock my 0517DPMW :D (actually rockstable @ 2900Mhz for 1.6V in AIR) this could permit not using mem dividers :p
how can that be i could ship it over there for about $25-35 tops and that is with ems delivering it they are in group 7 of the link here http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub51/51tbla.html#_Toc498745158Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
The 64.00 is to get it there in about a week and that is through usps. The rate your talking about will take about 5 weeks. This is what I was told~!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Slinky
If someone in the US can do better I'll mail it to them and they can mail it... :D
I'm offended :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
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Originally Posted by Acrazar
not everyone can go over 200htt 1:1
my venice can go higher than 2,8ghz(312*9) but my vitestas tccd can't handle that rock solid..and dnt wanna use any divider
|SiLA|,
you'r running a divider even if you set frequency ratio to 200 in bios. A64's dividers do not give any performance hit.
njkid32. Hm... I'm from Ukraine, not Hungry...
ALL.
Plz help to get money for njkid32.
Currently I have all needed, except hardware, to try JTAG-programming.
I'll try to use BSDL from AMD Flash-memory. all documents point that it is same as in CPU, maybe with some differences. I'll try to bruteforce CPU. I don't think that it is an impossible to make programmator for CPU EEPROM or etc with so small amount of data.
OR. If anybody have any dead mobo or\and cpu in Europe, you can help us. I think that mailing from Europe to me will be a lot cheaper!.
Jesus
red circled is : GND (VSS)
yellow circled is : MEMADDA[1], it is memcntrlr pin.
Why do you circle , I don't understand.
I can try to isolate them right now, Do I need?
lol hey your here, thats like 500 points in my book, not that my little book counts for crap :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
You are joking?Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
i know i cant, im running 2 year old corsair XMS cant get it over 220 for the love of anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by |SiLA|
I think he is....he gave me an idea, ROFL :D :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
what??? what does chaniging the HSF's have to do? or you mean IHS? BTW I'm not going to to this...I'm an honest kid :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
i think i might be sending it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
I prefer just to stick with the cards I was dealt...
I know I could get better but I know that there are alot worse chips...
noone really answered my question, does having a higher multi mean u can run lower voltages and get the same clock, and havethe cpu run cooler? or is it just a nice thing to have so you dont have to run on a divider?
usuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by trance565
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just a nice thing to have so you dont have to run on a divider?
But it COULD lead to all the others as well :cool:
1:1 has no meaning on a chip with an integrated memory controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by trance565
An unlocked chip lets you pick a multiplier where you are most likely to get a stable OC in cases where you are limited by your board or chips HTT threshold....people on DFI's for example are not usually having HTT trouble....so my Venny being unlocked would not make a diff to me as far as I know. SO the advantage of an unlocked chip...more multis, more options, more options often means the good tweakers can get better OC's. For hacks like me it means nada... I can crank the HTT like everyone else ...In fact I prefer to as I have fast RAM...I need that 300 showing up ;)
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Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
true, but it's simpler than guessing thier multiplier if they haven't posted it
I dont think you guys are on the right track..
I believe that pirs cpu has some pin disconnected (perhaps a factory fault and then pirs maybe have pushed a pin so it doesnt have contact anymore)
Someone better measure the pins or try to isolate pin one by one (which is rather time consuming i know :rolleyes: )
The registers may change due to motherboard/ divider/ clockspeed/changed multi?? I dont know but im just giving my thoughts on this..
If we isolate the pins controlling the multi (whichever they are) perhaps we can do some magic :)
Like doing a hardmod on some motherboard without multi adjustment..
jah but try running a divider on Venice and DFI(dunno other mobo)and see if they work :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
"180" doesn't
"166" does
"150" doesn't
so if i'd have multis unlocked i'd run my venice at 280x10 so i don't have to use any divider :banana:
but i'm not the lucky one to have the unlocked venice :mad:
THE MSI neo4 can run all divider, 200,183,166,150 through bios also if you have the beta :D
sorry for off topic trail. I have the K8n Neo2 1.A4 bios. It has the 183 and 150 dividers available. No post last time i used 183, can anyone confirm they work?
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Originally Posted by tndb
this not controlled BY one pin is something internal and hardcoded
On the Athlon 64's its 1:10 or something like that.
Are you sure those dividers don't work or are they just being misreported?Quote:
Originally Posted by |SiLA|
I have a 3000 Venice doing 308x9 on my ultra -d bios 623-3, and I haven't had any trouble using dividers whatsoever. I have "only" tried 200/183/166/150 though. But an unlocked multi would be nice nonetheless.
Perhaps it depends on the memcontroller. For example, I could not boot with 10x multi above 225htt on my 3500+ Clawhammer, but 291x9 worked flawlessly. Strange thing indeed.
People, do not offtop here.
Wow I just read through that whole thread. Good way to kill time at work heh. What happened with Pirs CPU, did he ever sell it?
ya??? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldonko
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Links to or reference to items for sale here or elsewhere are not permitted in the forums
Lol can you at least say who has it, and if there has been any progress figuring the mystery CPU out?
most likely a pm to ref or pirs would get you that answer.
back on topic tin_EOF i will be sending you the board hope to be recieving the board from him this friday - monday depending upon when the transfer clears and should only cost about $35 total he is also sending your addy with it. so you will get your board by hopefully 2weeks from today :D
Mr_Slinky
Okay, I'll wait for it.
OK so i dont think that there are any special CPU BSDL files out there for AMD, and it looks like anything that could be found regarding JTAG and AMD has been found. So am i right in assuming that were kinda on hold untill Tin_Eof gets a chance to play with the board. Any other assingments for little underlings the likes of me :D
No, you're pretty much useless :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
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Originally Posted by leviathan18
It could be.. How do you explain pirs situation? Logical it can only be that some pin/s has no contact with motherboard and thus making it possible to change the multi..
OR
Amd has made one 3000+ venice unlocked from factory and thats strange that no one else has a similar cpu as pirs or what do you think? :confused:
It is probably hardcoded yes but I think by bypassing one or two pins would make it possible as the motherboard doesnt get the hardcoded information sent to bios and then it acts like an fx cpu or any other unlocked cpu?
If someone could send pirs a multimeter so he could measure the pins then we may have solved this perhaps..
Looking at page 29 @ http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31411.pdf
you can see the amd 939 pin layout diagram and here we can see which pins to measure and which are out of the question to measure...
If we exclude the pins not to measure then there aint many to measure.. I think we can fix this if we just can get pirs to measure..
Today I will measure ALL NC_xx pins and then try to disconnect EACH of them one by one. Wait for further information.
P.S. But I think that this don't help us with our goal. But I try :)
maybe I should just buy the damn thing off him, remove heatspreader, measure each and every pin, and use my schools science labs to examine it....
Pirs CPU has NOT been unlocked from the factory. And whatever happend, no clear signs are visible from the outside of CPU. BTW he tried another CPU in his MB and it was NOT unlocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by tndb
Sorry, i was being sarcastic about the unlocked from factory.. I wrote "strange that no one else" and by that i meant the sarcasm..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ref
I still believe that there´s something which isnt making contact properly.. its such small pins and it could be anything physical.. But i do not believe that some software or bios just unlocked it just like that or do you?
You wrote no clear signs.. How do we know?.. have anyone else looked at the cpu besides pirs? It could be some small metal piece which you will need a magnifying glass to see.. it could also be visible under the IHS aswell if there´s something that happened there...
Anyway, we´re here to figure out how to unlock this baby :toast:
OKQuote:
Originally Posted by tndb
no, if definetly wasn't software because he actually tried another CPU and it was locked
i meant CLEAR signs ... if you need a magnifying glass it is NOT a clear sign :)
pirs told me he looked at his CPU numerous times and he couldn't see anything unusual.
Has anyone tried measure the fx series cpu and compared it to a non fx cpu??
It may not be as easy perhaps..
If we say that we compare these two and find no differences, then there propably is a pin which either isnt connected or theres two pins connected which in turn fools the cpu thinking that its unlocked? (on pirs cpu that is)
Dam.n.. if we just had pirs cpu so we could do some serious testing :(
Another thing we could try is to connect some pins..
To do that we need someone who can take a look at the amd cpu pinout diagram and see which one´s that doesnt make the cpu burn out :p
If we try connecting two by two then eventually we may break the code :banana:
An easy way to do this is to have an ordinary cpu cooler and have the motherboard outside of the case and simply solder on the backside of the motherboards cpu socket pins.. thats way much faster than fiddling with the wire trick..
Inputs?
YESSSSS!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :toast: :party:Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
nananana nananana hey hey hey goodbye....
:rofl: jk
didnt we go over this a few pages back?
the multiplier is set on die correct? and the FID_STATUS and MAX_FID comparison happens on die, so pinouts are useless in this little situation right? except for attemting to program FID_STATUS the bios has no effect on multipliers. At least thats how it reads in the 939 func data sheet. or are we trying to mess up that comparison by shorting out the circut that makes it?
Yes but think again.. do you really think that pirs cpu was programmed??Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
Im just saying that perhaps some pin/s will fool the cpu and that doesnt sound unlikely at all.. We just need to know which one´s..
As i believe that something has been connected on pirs cpu somehow or a pin which is loose.. but i rather believe in that some pins are connected..
yeah that makes sense, did he ever try it in a different MB, i mean i know he tried it with a different proc, damm thats alot of work....Quote:
Originally Posted by tndb
the headache begins
He tried it on a Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=114
Pirs has some extraordinary luck i reckon...i wish some of it would fly over my way to Australia once in a blue moon :D
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Originally Posted by Pirs
Let's come together, and buy this banana cpu off pirs
shall we?
then send it to each other.
wel all pitch in $10, he would sell it
I'd be willing to toss 10 dollars into a hat to get a shot on unlocking all A64's
~Mike
i could scrounge up 10 bucks,
but anyone who gives money should hands down get the solution first and at no cost, not that i really think that that would be a problem here, but its happened before.
I see us (tndb) going over a lot of ground already covered... but he may have a point, sort of. We (ok, everyone else on here, I've just been keeping an eye on this thread) have done our homework,and found that athlon64's cannot just be reprogrammed by bios or software to become an fx. The only logical way to do that is to do what tin_eof is trying / going to try to do, and that's that whole jtag stuff (way over my head). But we overlooked one point, and thats because we are approaching this from a logical viewpoint (as well we should).
What if a bit of static discharge killed a couple of transistors or something, which (luckily) didnt kill the chip, but (even more luckily) messed up the whole FID_STATUS and MAX_FID comparison process. Random, yes. Bloody impossible to work out how to do that deliberately, yes. What I am saying is, despite the fact that the chips are designed not to easily unlock multipliers by the whole MAX_FID thing, that's only if that part of the cpu is in tact and functioning properly. Its behaviour when damaged would be unpredictable.
But for us hopeful overclockers, tin_eof's approach is the best step forward for now, as his way will be reproducible.
Is it possible that JTAG way will be able to much more things than unlocked multiplier?
e.g. make CPU think it is an FX, unlock locked cache and core...?
I'm thinking he works for AMD... :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
:slobber: :woot: :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daved+
if you worked for amd you think they wouldn't notice this thread its over 20+ pg long so i am sure if he did he would loose his joby for that cpu and i dont think its really worth it
oh i am not opposed to pitching in $10 to help try to buy it.
but only thing is who gets the cpu? i would think it would need to be someone who is well respected and knows how to not kill the cpu while taking off the ihs and has a big magnifing glass. just my oppinon but it should go to a moderator that lives in the uk and he can then make the choice of where it should go if his measures fail at uncovering the unlockability.
I was kidding :p: but you can't tell me it's not kinda fishy that he's ]thaaaat lucky with the CPU he gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Slinky
I think that Pirs should put it up for sale on this site and have someone buy it off him for a reasonable price.
And that reasonable price comes too...$650. I'd sell it for that, at least :D.
The CPU is still For Sale here on XS. I'm hoping someone interested in this research will buy it... but if you want to do it do it while it is still available...! and PM me.
Hi to all.. I isolated each of NC pins one by one...but nothing happens. CPU still locked and working :).
Prueg I think the same way.
Damn, If I have enough money this time I would take pirs's CPU. But... ^(
By JTAG it is possible to change ANY register. So you can rename CPU, cut cache off, change CPUID, disable/enable features. But it is not possible to make FX57 from Venice :) It physically have 512K L2 only :) And more bad process... :) But except overclock power and cache size it's possible to make FX57 from Venice :)
Of course I'm not sure, But it is clear that this will be true..
Waiting for hardware from you :)....
P.S. I'm currently benching my Venice E3 3000+ at 2750MHz 1.8V (ICE Watercooled). Nothing changes. The speed the same. A little faster than FX55
P.P.S. Now I'm rebuilding my DD PC to -25C Chiller.
Ok, isolating the pins does nothing obvisually :(
My next thought which is a far more dangerous step is short circuiting pins, which could be any pin really..
Say, if pirs got something conductive on the cpu when it was laying between the ashtray and when he then mounted the cpu, the cpu got short circuited when he booted his computer and the venice was unlocked..
Ive described the easiest way to short circuit the pins (which I mentioned in earlier post) solder on the backside of the mobo.
But at the same time.. It could be about just any pin..
Isnt there a pin described in the amd sheet which is used for multi? maybe that one :P or not.. Well I dunno anymore, the jtag stuff is out of my area but keep researching.. We could possibly do other things with the jtag programming.
Doesnt pirs live in czech?
thats the area where the chyrnobyl cloud was, want it"?
maybe its readioation? :P
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every1 read this, right?
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31412.pdf
http://www.stegpc.ch/prodspics/amd/p...64FX/30431.pdf
umm... no, i think that was the ukraine. :slap:Quote:
thats the area where the chyrnobyl cloud was, want it"?
tndb
solder on the backside of
the mobo.
1. There is No pins on the backside. Socket 939 - is surface mounted.
2. If you want to short any pins - fell free. :) If But I want to keep my CPU alive right now. :)
He said cloud, not the actual explosion. The radiation cloud did affect ALOT of Europe. :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by prueg
On Topic: I dont have a clue about this JTAG stuff, but if you need anything simple to do with my system or similar, just ask. :) (Will update my sig to include my system specs)
:eek: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
Im not awake :p
I was thinking of my older s462 boards.. sorry
But i think that bridging some pins are the last solution except for the jtag stuff.. But it sure is extreme and dangerous.. You´d have to know which pins that doesnt make the cpu burn out..
over and out
tndb
:D
I think that this don't help at all. There is no pins on A64 like in AXP. Forget about it. You will get 100% DEAD cpu. Better send CPU to me :) I'll keep work going with it :)
Without mad ideas about shorting pins of S939 :)
Sorry :)
It seems to me that the only way to unlock cpu - JTAG-programming. So keep patience. But If any PDF/HTML regarding JTAG and x86 CPUs from AMD fell free to ask.
For those, who forget my contacts.
ICQ 86080981 (XS People only plz.)
tin@topmods.net
thus far no luck.. Fried one mobo and one CPU.. still no luck....
Yikes :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
At least it's in good spirit! :toast:
how i wish there was a way like those L12 mod for XP-M cpus just dropping a piece of copper in 2 pins' holes
but i guess there's no way to unlock amd 64 :mad:
if thats true why are we all still here?Quote:
Originally Posted by |SiLA|
because we wish to unlock no matter the price..
I have two A64s left I will risk one more for the sake of unlocking but I need help....
if u see the thread is not like before it's slow :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrazar
i'm going to try that ashtray way :D
way like those L12 mod for XP-M cpus
I must warn. A64 are not so simple. So if any hopes that is will be just shorting 2 contacts - it is 99% dead cpu.
nn_step, If you kill them I'm ready to get them. It's possible that their JTAG-controllers are alive, So i will get material to experiments..
ALL
I think in final (I hope I'll reach it ;)) anyone can build JTAG-addon for their rig mobos for programming CPU's. All is needed to find:
1. Do the JTAG pins on cpu connected to any trace on MB. On S940 MB they do.
1a If yes - al is needed - connect to that traces and "flash" CPU with data received and modified.
1b If no - connect pins on cpu by EXTREMELY think conductors outside socket. Then 1a :)
So...any cpu/mobo will make our dream more close to us.
I think we have 50% chance to get it real. 1 vs 2....It worth to try...
2 ALL Novice to this thread. read previous pages and only then ask you questions.
2 ALL. Keep this Thread saved on you HDD. If we get really close, it's possible that this topic will we deleted.
Just connecting to a JTAG interface isn't good enough.
I use a JTAG interface to rescue and reflash dead PDA's. But you need to know the exact specs for each PDA to be able to flash anything. Moreover there are circuits that can actually be locked and only changed if certain other registers are first addressed.
Without these specs (Which AMD isn't going to give away) there is no chance of a unlock.
However if one were to connect both a locked and a unlocked CPU to a computer via JTAG interface and do a raw read you might be able to pick something up.
However it is pretty easy to connect your PC to a CPU or other JTAG device for that matter, there are a lot of different cables on the market and a few schematics online which work pretty good.
Connecting a CPU's JTAG interface is only a very small portion, but it's a start.
People who want to unlock their CPU:
Build this cable: http://www.xilinx.com/support/programr/jtag_cable.pdf
Connect it to your CPU using the specs provided by AMD.
Then program it using the specs provided by AMD.
Voila, a unlocked CPU... the key part is 'specs provided by AMD'
They provided the pins that connect to the JTAG interface (may be live on normal CPU's, may not be. Could also be that voltage specs are different then normal specs so start low!)
Pins:
TCK - AG7 - I-IOS JTAG Clock
TMS - AG6 - I-IOS JTAG Mode Select
TRST_L - AF8 - I-IOS JTAG Reset
TDI - AJ9 - I-IOS JTAG Data Input
TDO - AG8 - O-IOS JTAG Data Output
As for enabling the JTAG interface:
"If the JTAG interface is used in a system the TMS
pin must be asserted a minimum of 10 nS before PWROK assertion and must be held in the High
state a minimum of 10 nS after the assertion of PWROK.'"
This might be disabled on consumer CPUs. You'll prolly have to do something to the DB_REQ_L and DBRDY pins as well.
I'm not novice in MCU's and other electronic stuff.
I think I have all necessary data for start playing with JTAG.
I'm currently just waiting of arrival steff's and njkid32's hardware to start.
I'm sure JTAG interface is enabled on consumer CPUs because EACH cpu is programmed when it come off from factory. And I'm sure that people - are lazy. And there is no a lot of protection regarding all this right in current K8 CPUs .
They could have simply disabled it after programming it. It isn't that hard to disable it so that it will never work unless you know exactly what you're doing.
Do - not - make - me - cry - ! ;) :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorry
Sounds very logical to me. But maybe, just maybe they haven't done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorry
I would put my money on that they haven't done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus
by dead I mean the board locked up, and the cpu literally fried to a crisp.. It ruined a perfectly good 7000B zalmann..Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
All i know, all cores are made equal, benched for GHz, then slapped on either a 1800 or a 3200 (in amd32bit)
in 64bit, theyre all benched and rated, then the multiplier is laser cut to ensure the lock.
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Originally Posted by Thorry
Doesn't the term "laser-cut" mean something was.. ahm.. laser cut? :eek:
not "reprogrammed"
:slapass:
Saved all ~24 or so pages. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
I saved them so they include images, gfx, etc etc.
It's like the forum on my HDD. :slobber:
If anyone needs/wants a copy...PM me.
I'm gonna also upload a copy on my USB stick, and keep it updated.
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Originally Posted by KoHaN69
if i understand correctly A64's were not laser cut, they were JTAG programed, FID is a firmware thing now, not pure hardware
Umm...Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
Where are those laser cut bridges/connections that ensure the lock?
There's no bridges at all on S939 OuPGA package.
I know begin to attempt unlocking my 3000+Winchester..
I post the results when I get done...
*crosses fingers*
In the ..core? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I just registered to this forum just for this article, i have read the whole thread its very exciting!!!
I hope you guys figure out how to unlock this baby, im planning on getting one!!
has there been any progress?
well cograts to Pris!