Its nuts and close to unnecessary also. Unless you do an absurd amount of video editing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
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Its nuts and close to unnecessary also. Unless you do an absurd amount of video editing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
DB Updated. Congrats to UnrealCPU. :toast:
si basically the crucial ballistix is the ram to get .. unfornutely the new version of the tracers will not have leds anymore ... what im asking is .. im about to order my 2gb kit .. and wondering is the regular ballistix the same as the tracer minus the black heatspreaders and leds ???
same thing, just with gold heatspreaders and no blinky lights :p:
yeah that sux lol .. i wanted the black heatspreaders and blinking lights :(
Got my Ballistix back from RMA...testing the first stick on 704-2 (I know, wrong bios). Currently 32Ming 301.22Mhz @ 3-4-3-10. Here's the validation....mind you this is only one stick so far. Also seems that this one stick loves voltage.
UPDATE!!
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7...tix30122vn.jpg
Fullsize: http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3...stix3012or.jpg
Time to start testing stick #2 now. :D
:toast: very nice !
off topic vapor, but turn down your LDT and chipset voltages !! lol
I've never had any problems with mine at default, I've had to raise the LDT only when using HTT of 320+ and even then only by .1v
Yeah, I know...I always crank them all the way up when testing new things though....
Ugh...ZipZoomFly did not get my 4400+ shipped out with the rest of my parts so I was unable to start testing the ocz pc4000 2x1024. With any luck it will show up tomorrow but if not i don't expect to be able to post anything till tuesday.
just noticed something.. crucial still sells 1gb tracer:Quote:
Originally Posted by jetjaguar
http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/sto...12864L503&cat=
out of stock .. and the new stock they are getting will no longer have leds .. etcQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
howdy guys.. i'd like to join the race for 300mhz as well.. where can i pick up some of this crucial? maybe some mushkin as well.. :slobber:
Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana:, how much power do these need?? I stick both sticks in at the same time and now vdimm fluctuates horribly (saw as low as 2.95V when set to 3.13V). I can only get 293 or so with both in vs. 297 and 301 when alone. I'll investigate more. 3.3V rail didn't move at all....definitely a board problem it seems.
Don't plan on getting 300 with that board or any sticks....I think I'm the only one who has a stick that can do 300 so far and mine were choice DIMMs (not quite cherry picked, but close) from my RMA. I'm sure unreal or nugzo could hit 300 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waffles
Great Job Unreal! Your lookin sweet Vapor
ok, well it was a figure of speech. i have a dfi sli-d in my closet. i just prefer the asus for stability.anyways.. link? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Link for what? The asus's OCing incompetence? My 300 (^^^^^^above^^^^^^)? I'm thinking of picking up the DFI ATi chipset board if it is capable of providing more stable volts (this unstability is greater than my Redlines').
I'm trying to take the lead back.. I have a different cpu now (4200 X2) and am having a hard time even hittin' 290 32m stable . Looks like i may have lost the lead for good. :( I havent given up but it doesnt look good :bananal:
I know I can get dual channel 300 (with some very loose timings unfortunately) if my board could sustain 3.13-3.2V with these sticks.
I think that the X2's being a hot chip the memory controller has a hard time with high HTT especially with the 1gig sticks. I've had the same problems with my X2Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Not that I have a non-X2 to compare to, but I've also noticed an OC loss using higher HTT and multi with these sticks. I can run 2800 fine with my TCCD or my single Redline stick, but not with my Ballistix. I can hit 300+ with a low multi but not a higher one, too. I think my IHS has to go.
Ok that didnt take long. I'm Back :YIPPIE: 296
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=30625
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9259/2960ke.jpg
well, if you read my post before that one i asked for a link to the tracer and the mushkin hp blue :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
DB Updated. Congrats to nugzo again, he doesn't stay down. :woot:
Vapor, I'll add you to the db shortly after I get the energy lol.
nobody knows where to purchase the tracers or the hp blue? :(
what about the titanium series?
Tracers are out everywhere, Pricewatch will tell you that. The new Ballistix Z503's are only $165 a piece a newegg at the moment, I'd grab those.
thanks :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
gonna get 2 gigs soon but was wondering if any of you guys have bought 2 identical (non matched) 1 gig sticks and had any problems running them in dual channel... Also do you guys think it's better to spend more on a matched pair than not?
isnt the mushkin faster due to the cas 2.5 even at lower speeds verse much herer speeds of the crucial cas 3? i mean look, compare say this to this.
the first one was at 2.5-3-3-6 and the other was at 3-3-3-8. the mushkin (cas 2.5 pic) was pi 32m at 27m 2s at 80mhz LOWER clock speed than the crucial (cas 3 pic) which scored super pi 32m at 27m 6s
i know its not much, but thats 2.5-3-3-6 at only 262mhz vs 3-3-3-8 at 270mhz....
But most of the crucial will hit 280-290 whcih more than makes up for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealth17
3.13V?? You trying higher voltage? Doesn't it seem to run best at 2.8 regardless of settings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
My 4800+ also has a much harder time with top HTT than my FX55 did in the same board. I think the X2's memory controllers have a slightly lower limit than the single core cpus. I used to be able to run 2.5-3-3 at 300 with the FX55, but had to go 2.5-4-3 with the X2's when running TCCD at 300htt and above. So most likely the same effect is being felt with the Microns. After 290 it will run windows fine , but no 32M completion.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
What did you change to get it stable again witrh the X2?Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Nope, my new sticks seem to scale with voltage...they're the new Z503s.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
hmm, I'll have to give that a try.
Nugzo, what vdim are you running at?
You should turn up your pots on the pcpcQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I think I'm having the same problem...X2s certainly have funky memory characteristics (low BW, lower HTT with high multi, etc.).....Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Nah, I'm done gunning for 300....just trying to find a 24/7 setup that uses less than 3.0V....my processor tops out at an awful 2.8GHz (that in itself is good...but it means the memory won't be at full performance).Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Same problem here, I've settled for 11x258 with 2.6v my memory controller is crapping out above 270mhz with 10x multi. Hopeing the X2 3800+ I ordered will work with 280mhz at 10xQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
You could pull 2.6 up to 2.8 if you wanted with no ill effects if it helped.
My sticks test good in memtest up to 295mhz and can run 2t up to 290 even with 10x multi in windows. I'm 100% sure its just my memory controller since I can do 285 with 9x multi.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
I've found that you don't really need any thing more than 2.85v to max these sticks out, upping the Vdimm did nothing for me including enabling the use of tighter timings.
waffles, zipzoomfly has the mushkin hp blue for $265 shipped.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ctCode=83433-3
Looks like the Mushkin is the best performance:price. As soon as ZZF has the x2 3800 in stock, I'm gonna be ordering them together
welcome to XtremeSystems Repoman ;)
Both Mwave and Newegg have the X2 3800+ in stock, ordered one today and has already been shipped from Mwave (only took about 2 hours to get my tracking number after I placed order ! :D ) I beleive they both also stock the Muskin
I see alot of reports that with the crucial 2g setup that everything works fine incl. Prime 95, games, etc. even over 300htt, except Super PI. I wonder why?
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Originally Posted by Major
Good luck! I'm only gettin 2600 10*260 stable out of my 4200. Maybe water will help
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Originally Posted by xgman
Lower multi, 0648 tref, errata 123 off
Thanks and good luck with the 3800. On extremeoverclocking, a guy reached 2.8ghz stable (air, 1.6v, 44load and no IHS) and 3.0ghz cpu-z shot :slobber: , not sure if stable @ 3.0 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Major
Let's just hope they all OC like that :D
I'm gonna have to wait until the 3800 gets down close to the MSRP though, still have $1000 worth of stuff to buy after the CPU and memory for this new comp so I have to keep costs down :(
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Originally Posted by nugzo
Thanks, I'll give that a try.
What vdim?
Thi is NOT mine, but check it out:
Those are some incredibly loose 2ndary timings....wow!
This is all I've been able to get 32M stable so far with my Ballistix 2x 1gb. And for what ever reason cant get CPUZ to ID the memory manafacture ??
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=30700
http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/1...x9valid4ea.jpg
Guys, I've confirmed what I suspected. I changed out my X2 4400+ and put my SD 3700+ back in my work rig so I can play with my X2 and Vapo LS this weekend.
Anyway, my SD can run at 285mhz with this Ballistix at 10x without any errors. So it is without any question the individual memory controller of your A64 that will determine what your able to do with 2gig's more than anything else. I'm out of time right now with this setup and have to go to my other house for the weekend but I'll post some findings for ya the first part of next week.
Just thought I'd let you know, I've spent alot of time banging my head over trying to get 280x10 to run with my X2 and it had nothing to do with the memory ! lol
1GB modules @ 300 I would assume..... Until Ballistix it was unheard of that I know of. I was shocked and amazed at the performance, am just very happy they did 250 as designed.
Hi all,
i thought this thread could use some more 'value' additions... so i took the 2x 1GB sticks i ordered for a friend out for a quick test drive :fact:
2x Buffalo DD4333-1G/MD, Micron 5B-D Chips
Clocked CPU (3000+ Winnie) down to only test RAM and got them to run at 250, 3-3-3-8 1T, 2.7V without testing timings (mostly default/auto) on a Lanparty Ultra-D.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=30754
Played some demanding games a few hours and seems stable (with normal case airflow) and of cause SP32 stable.
Edit: And a little warning: my own modules, OCZ4002048PFDC-K (2x 1GB Performance) refuse to work stable even at stock speed and settings, not only in my system. 2x 3dmark05 and they get that hot - even with a fan blowing fresh air directly on them - that they produce BSODs or SP errors. .. 2nd time RMA now .. OCZ -> :slapass:
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Originally Posted by Blue078
Have you tried it on XP instead of Vista? If that isnt vista can u send or link me to that wallpaper?
thanks repoman!
so do u guys think it's worth the extra $60 for the crucial over the mushkin?
it's XP. I cant find the link to the style I think is on another rig. If the attachment dont work let me know, I'll email ya whole styleQuote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
Thanks. Thats 800x600. Can u email me the style? Nugzzo@gmail.com Thanks! :banana:
Done :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Ballistix, OCZ, or Mushkin?
When are you gonna put my updated score up? I got 301, 3-3-3-8 1T @ 3.13V...look above to see it. Granted, this was with only one stick (the other stick is almost as good but combined my X2 craps out), but I still wan't it on the board. Mine were the Ballistix Z503...not sure if they were -5B D.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
I'll do it right now, sorry bout the delay. Take the spreaders off so we all know what the new Z503's have for chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Alright, I'll see if I can find a suitable razor blade...if not you'll have to wait for someone else to pry theirs open.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
I also will have some 3GB action coming up (2x1GB Ballistix and 2x512 TCCD), will report that in a separate thread though.
Need a cpu-z verified screen from you vapor, at the same settings.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=30580
Post #506 :D
Alright, I can't get the HS off...I have the right blade but putting any pressure with my left arm hurts so much (I just had reconstructive shoulder surgery on Wed.). I tested with putting my dead Redline into a table mounted vice grip....but that didn't work so well. Anyway, nugzo or xgman also have Z503s, maybe they can help.
DB Updated. We have our first tie at #6 for A64 2x1GB.
Secondly, I separated the sections further so that 1x1GB guys aren't competing with 2x1GB guys and viceversa.
I can say that my z503s act very weirdly with non-cas3. They won't error, they'll just crash the entire system.
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Originally Posted by Blue078
Did u send to nugzo or nugzzo. 2 z's for me. i have no mail yet :(
I'm gonna have to try 1 stick too. 301 looks temptin... :lsfight:
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Originally Posted by EnJoY
huh
:confused:
I clicked the email link you provided ?Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
thanks. must be busy 2night Maybe try Nugzo@hotmail.com Thanks alot
Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
I found the link :) http://www.getskinned.org/modules.ph...&sortby=Newest
Testing Ballistix I have two rigs tore apart :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Meant to say "aren't competing"...fixed.
Anybody have a good single-core chip in terms of the ODMC that they'd like to donate to me? :D
Either my X2 and/or my board is holding me back....I can get both running over 300 with some seriously loose timings, but they won't budge above 293 together (and actually do worse with ultra-loose timings vs. good timings). 2T doesn't gain a bit of speed running one at a time but it does help somewhat in dual channel...so there's some ODMC problem effecting it. As I said earlier, the vdimm also fluctuates a large amount...so I think my problem is double pronged.
Anyway, I think I'm done for now...3GB results coming tomorrow I think.
which bios is best for the crucial ballistix and sli-dr ?
I think the concensus is 704-1 as long as you're careful with the voltage bug. I've been using 704-2, so maybe I could gain a few extra MHz when I switch.
Okay, the HS on my Z503s is not only clamped but also thermally taped....ugh. Anyway, my shoulder is killing me (you never realize how much you use it until every little motion hurts it) so I popped the clamps back on.
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Originally Posted by Major
Hey Major, would you mind sharing those mem settings that you got for your 3700+ SD? I run mine at 255X11, but I'm sure the system would run much faster at 280X10. Could you give me an screenshot with A64 Tweaker and/or any other memory setting you have? I know I have an Asus board and you have a DFI so things might be a little different, but any help on this would be great. THanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by kman79
I tried mine at both 280*10 and 255*11. I couldnt get 280*10 32m stable but it would benchmark. The ONLY thing that was better was memory bandwidth, which doesn't make a difference. All other benchies were the same. 255*11 was much much more stable though.
what is the voltage bug with the 704-1 ?
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Originally Posted by jetjaguar
Using the "Special VCore Control" +123% or greater can result in extreme overvolting, causing cpu failure. I believe there was a warning post with more details on DFI Street. (http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/index.php)
search and you shall find
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truckchase!
ok so as long as u dont use 123% or more ..
i dont use anything above like 110% .. so i guess im safe if that is all i have to worry about
hey vapor keep your 3.3v line .3 or more above your vdimm for much better stability. your only about .15 away and it needs to be double that in my experence for max stability.
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Well, I got screwed on that deal by a deadbeat seller. Fortunately I was able to get my money back, but needless to say I didn't get my Corsair modules. Instead I won a couple auctions for the the Ballistix chips. (here's one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:BN:US:1 )Quote:
Originally Posted by Truckchase!
When I get them I'll post my results, but I doubt I'll be able to challenge Nugzo or anything 'cause I've just got a Winnie core.
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Truckchase!
Lower your Multi. Keep that winnie in line. You dont need to stress poor pooh. We are lookin for high memory clocks, not cpu :)
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Originally Posted by nugzo
Thanks for the reply. Man nugzo, your just on top of everything around here.
What Dram Drive Strength and Dram Data Drive Strength are you guys using?
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Originally Posted by Major
Here's to hoping the yields improve on the next batch of X2's for that very reason.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclepath
8/3
What is the consensus on 3v vs. 2.8 on the z503's?
Thanks, I'll try that.Quote:
Originally Posted by brandinb
IDK...it depends on the timings for me....at 3-3-3-10 loose secondary benefit but tight loses some OC while 3-2-2-5 scales with voltage regardless of secondary.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
thanks xgman, I'll try that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
I use 8/2...no problems so far, will try 8/3 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
The guy's shot I posted earlier, now has 9x300 sp32. It it highly dependent on the mem controller and the X2's arre very fussy along those lines.
http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showpo...postcount=6585
I bet my sticks could do it if I had an FX, Sandy or even a Venice....but I won't buy one since I really don't need it.
same